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Last post by DeletedUser343 2 Jun 2008 18:16
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 14 Apr 2008 08:28
Well the military is my future killing people and droping bombs.....
Marines is my class i am going to do
Erm Gunman, I don't know if you know this, but in the Artists Pallet threads, the idea is to put drawings in and not ramble with ramdom words which mean absoutely nothing.
Ahhh Gunman you just flunked the phsyc test.....
They don't take people who love to kill into the military...
Generally they send you to a little place to get tested and then put you on medication to help you with the problem. Assess you on a daily basis... 
I'm guessing this is Gunman's version of a Haiku 
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 15 Apr 2008 10:19
Ah u mistake my words......
I said i am going to military so when war comes i and my fellow marines get kill and kill and see bombs drop!
HA HA HA HA HA
Originally posted by Gunman Ah u mistake my words...... I said i am going to military so when war comes i and my fellow marines get kill and kill and see bombs drop! HA HA HA HA HASo, Gunnie, who do you want to kill you? A taliban? A crazy kamikaze? Or perharps you want to step over a mine and go boom! Or beeing caught inside a collapsing building! Oh and btw, these bombs can drop over your head too! You wanna go to war, huh? You, know there's a good chance to return without all your limbs, and there's also a good chance not to return at all! In war people die from both sides! And besides, you're 16 right? I doubt they'll send you before you'll be 21! That if you're going to pass enlistment test, as Joeswench said! Geez, try to use that head of yours! Take it as an advice from someone who has relatives killed in the war from Irak!
Hey, Gunnie... A word of advice here... Be careful what you say about the Military, being deployed to a war zone, and making the ultimate sacrifice. Unfortunately, Amy isn't the only one on this board to have lost people in this war... Like me, whose friend's 21-year-old son, a Marine who was barely 6 weeks into his first tour of duty...
I'm not lecturing, just making a recommendation. If your intentions for a military enlistment is due to wanting to fulfill your patriotic duty or because of some other noble reason, then you should definitely join. But if your only intention is to "get kill and kill and see bombs drop", then I highly suggest you take a closer look at yourself and your aspiration.
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 15 Apr 2008 16:35
I lived in a town which has a huge an army base just outside of it... I have some respect for what they have to do to get into the military. When I was 16 I looked into it.
Gunnie get with the times! Go and apply or ask a real marine about it. They generally won't glorify war.
The military is an excellent career move for some people. However we are in a time of war so be prepared to see some unpleasant things. One of my students went into the marines and he was all excited. His first tour of duty was Iraq. He has decided while this was an interesting learning experience he is counting the days till his service time is up. He saw way too much in Iraq and is thoroughly sick of sand.
And btw Amy he can go in at 18. That's right you can die for your country at 18 or kill people but you just can't get drunk over it.
In the British Army, you can join at 16 but can go to the frontline at 18.
War isn't cool like in movies but real and the mental stress can be really hard. In the First World War, soldiers were shot and named as cowards because the mental stress that those soldiers in the trenches were under uasn't really understood.
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 16 Apr 2008 15:47
One of workmates son was sent over to Iraq, he wasn't trilled about going. This was last year..
We have lost more soldiers in the Solomon Islands than in Iraq.
My brother joined the Canadian Air Force when he was 18, in 1983. He's a Major now, and he'll be starting a 9 month stint in Afghanistan very soon. I'm not too worried about him though, as he will be spending all his time at a base in Kandahar. My step-brother, however, is in the Canadian Army, and he's going over there too, and he might be doing patrols...
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 17 Apr 2008 15:37
Iborgia! I love the new avatar!
Originally posted by Ebonyswanne Iborgia! I love the new avatar!Thanks, though I have a feeling I'll be back to a Condor avatar again before long!
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 18 Apr 2008 06:13
Originally posted by lborgia88Are you going to don the indigo cape in your mask and wig, then?Originally posted by Ebonyswanne Iborgia! I love the new avatar!Thanks, though I have a feeling I'll be back to a Condor avatar again before long!
CricketBeautiful
Forum God
posted 18 Apr 2008 08:09
Well, we could send him my FIL and MIL's nightmares. They started in Romania. Opa didn't get enough time to hide the third time they came to his village for volunteers. Oma and her sisters moved from relative to relative, just ahead of the front, and stayed in Austria while the front passed. Her sister didn't return home one day. At 16 she helped deliver a baby by candle-light in a bomb shelter during a raid; the only other adult was a blind grandmother. They saw enough that they're glad the Allieds won, but they also saw a lot the Allieds did that didn't make it into the history books.
I am incredibly grateful to those who serve their country. There are times when the less violent methods just don't work.
I also wish the news would focus on all the non-violent good our troops are doing. They are building schools and allowing girls to go to them. They are providing clean water and food. They are removing land mines. That is why we need to be there, to support the civilians, so they can make an informed and free choice of leaders. The goal is to help the civilians (including drafted soldiers), not kill the bad guys.
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 18 Apr 2008 08:20
Are military is the most superior in the world....
I dowght that we would get even hurt at see with are new super carriers.....
Living in North America, it's too easy to forget what it's like to have to live through a war, unless we're reminded by people who have actually done it. My boyfriend's mother and her family were deported from Poland in 1939 by the Soviets and ended up in a gulag in Siberia. A few years later, when the Soviets and the Germans were at war, the Polish prisoners were released from the gulags, but they had to walk all the way down to the Persian Gulf. My boyfriend's uncles and grandfather then joined the British army and his grandmother, aunt and mother went to a refugee camp in Pakistan until the war ended.
I'm very proud of my brother, and step-brother. They've already been to Somalia, Bosnia, Eritrea and Haiti, and now Afghanistan.
My brother told me that for his pre-Afghanistan training, he had to be able to lift a 200 pound man with 30 pounds of gear and then carry him 100 metres in less than 60 seconds -and he did it.
meridianday
Galaxy Girl
posted 18 Apr 2008 08:39
I'm sure you would bring that military standard right down Gunman.
Originally posted by Gunman Are military is the most superior in the world.... I dowght that we would get even hurt at see with are new super carriers.....Sorry, I can't understand what you are typing. Do you mean that the US navy ship won't get sunk because of their new super aircraft carriers? If so, then that's impossible as titantic was supposedly be unsinkable until it got hit by a chunk of an iceberg. People can die in direct violent actions such as being shot, or becasue of direct violent actions, such as ships sinking or are on fire. Hell you can die in accidents when military aircraft when they crash beccause of failing machine parts.
I found this iWikipedia for you Gunnie. It's a book called The Little Wars .
Originally posted by Gunman Are military is the most superior in the world.... I dowght that we would get even hurt at see with are new super carriers.....Eh?
I thought "superior" adjective has no superlative!
Gunnie I don't know if you'd get hurt, but if you ever get in the Army, you'll have a heck of a time with your superiours! No pun intended! 
Superior - Better or greater in some way; of high or higher quality.
Superlative - 1). of the highest degree or quality, a man of superlative wisdom (Which gunnie ain't). 2. of a grammatical form that expresses the highest or a very high degree of quality, eg dearest, shyest, best. 3. a suplative form of a word, superlatively.
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 18 Apr 2008 17:55
U.S. Navy has a new ship called super aircraft carrier......
it runs on nuclear fusion. and they have the most advanced defense system that runs off computer.
This computer controls 4 diffrent missle systems the first is so powerful that the computer will destroy anything 25 miles away without permission to be near it. This ship can stay at sea for 2 years without refueling......
I dought anybody could get near the aircraft carrier not counting the battle ships and gun boats,,,,
So is the third time a charm for spelling "doubt" correctly??? 
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 18 Apr 2008 22:20
Originally posted by Gunman U.S. Navy has a new ship called super aircraft carrier...... it runs on nuclear fusion. and they have the most advanced defense system that runs off computer. This computer controls 4 diffrent missle systems the first is so powerful that the computer will destroy anything 25 miles away without permission to be near it. This ship can stay at sea for 2 years without refueling...... I dought anybody could get near the aircraft carrier not counting the battle ships and gun boats,,,,Gunnie...No arguing about the fire power etc of the US army. But youdon't do all alone... never forget that, especially if you go into any part of the army.The US sends troops to Australia to train in combat, its a working good relationship. Don't get cocky, if they actually let you in they may send you here to train...
Originally posted by Hinotori So is the third time a charm for spelling "doubt" correctly???That's the first post he done that I can actually read and understand what he's saying. Doubt is the only word spelt wrong.
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 21 Apr 2008 07:49
Who do yall think has the most powerful military?
Originally posted by Gunman Who do yall think has the most powerful military?Eh, Gallactor?
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 21 Apr 2008 15:35
Originally posted by Gunman Who do yall think has the most powerful military?Why the western world combined is powerful enough isn't it! Along with the federation and the ISO and G-Force who else do you need? Gunnie you need to get out more...firepower doesn't mean your going to win the war... Brains and strategy have to come into somewhere. Just ask Mark! Commander of G-Force...
Originally posted by Metaliant Is that why he lost 2 Death Stars Cep?Wasn't his fault, may I direct you to, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1ZUiZ3NvRA
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 22 Apr 2008 07:47
No fire power determines the war......
Its like sticking someone with a sword against someone with a gun
The sword would always win gunnie, well most the time anyways. It's kind of hard to shoot somebody standing close enough to stab you. You would be to worried about trying to dodge the sword than pulling the trigger.
Originally posted by Gunman No fire power determines the war...... Its like sticking someone with a sword against someone with a gunExcuse me Gunnie, but in the past, some armies who outnumber a small army or force actually lost or didn't destroy the smaller army/force. For examples..... 1) Battle of Thermopylae - 480 BC 300 Spartans, 700 Thespian volunteers, 400 Thebans that had been pressed into service, and 900 Helots. 150,000 to 200,000 roughly. Okay, so the Spartans and co lost, but with good training, equipment, tactics, knowledge of area and leadership you can hurt the larger force a lot more than they can hurt you. Peninsular War 1807 to 1814 In Portugal and Spain, the huge French armies were defeated again and again by the smaller British, Portuguese and Spanish armies. Also the French had extreme problems with the Portuguese and Spanish guerrilleros who fought in their guerrilla war (The Little War) which was......lets say the word brutal was an understatement by making the French guarding their messengers with a lot of soldiers and cavalry and killed a lot of them as well. IN fact the word guerrilla came into the English languague because of this. In WWII, special forces such as the SAD helped to be a bother to the Germans both in Europe and north Africa. Battle Of Canaron - 30 April 1863, between the French Foreign Legion and the Mexican army. Cut a bloody story short, a small group of 3 officers and 62 French Legionaries fought agaisnjt a Mexican force of 800 cavalry and 1200 infantry. The French Legion survivors charged the Mexicans with a bayonet charge but were beaten down. The Mexican commander said of those Legionaries, "What can I refuse to such men? No, these are not men, they are devils." and escorted them home, let them carry the body of their captain and let the French Legionaries keep their weapons.
Originally posted by Gunman No fire power determines the war...... Its like sticking someone with a sword against someone with a gunAnd besides the real life examples Met has previously given, have you ever seen Gatch? Geez, a 16 year old girl can beat armed ...ehem soldiers with a panty shot and an yo-yo! It's all about training and tactics!
Go Amy!!! Thats what I thought...
A Condor with a one track mind for revenge took a base unknowingly with a single feather caught in the mechanics of a Galactor advanced war machine...
Five people dressed in bird costumes took out how many bases in one day???
Aussies have always been outnumbered on the battlefield... we seem to still manage to win occasionally.
Heck we celebrate a battle that we lost! The Turks had the high ground to start with...thats a very important part of battle strategy...
But they were scared of us in the end...those mad Aussies with their bayonets. I wouldn't want to have been on a battlefield. Not from the footage I have seen of real battles from the first and second world war. Scary,nightmarish stuff.
See Gunnie power is not everything it takes skill, proper training, and a little bit of fighting smarts and you can take down the strongest of foes.
Originally posted by Ebonyswanne Five people dressed in bird costumes took out how many bases in one day???Do you mean 5 teenagers dressed in bird costumes.
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 23 Apr 2008 10:33
Ok its like placing a swordsmen against a f 18
Originally posted by Gunman Ok its like placing a swordsmen against a f 18Oh, Gunnie, why do I have the feeling you'd have made the perfect goon fodder for Jun..... Anyway, try with a (Bird) Missle! That should beat the swordman!
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 23 Apr 2008 21:11
Originally posted by Gunman Ok its like placing a swordsmen against a f 18ROTFL!!! ...For a start, unless your Ken the Eagle you generally wouldn't get around flying through the air standing on top of a plane with a sword... Ken used the hypershoot. It took down mechas!!! And he used his sword to operate it. So that sent a victory missile through that idea Gunnie!!!
Yeah, even Ego prefered his sword to the gun! And he did well with it! 
In the first Starship Troopers film, there's a scene in the training camp where a instructor showed a trainee that using a knife can be a option to stop someone who just presses a button or a trigger by throwing a knife into the trrainee's hand.
Also, if you watch all the Rambo movies, especially the last 3, you will see John Rambo uses a bow against guns and helicoptors.
My brother is in the Canadian Reserves and he was practicing artillary manuevers a couple winters ago...
Want to know what can halt your army's advance and cause casualities?
Going up steep hills covered in "black" ice!! I will have to get him to send me his pictures. 
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 24 Apr 2008 07:56
Ok a abrams tank against a spearmen whos going to when obviously a tank will blow the hell out of him......
I doubt a spear could go through so much dam armor......
Not counting marines
What happens if he sits on the tank and waits for a marine to pop his head out the turret?
Stabby stabby little spearey
Originally posted by Gunman I doubt a spear could go through so much dam armor...... Not counting marinesDoes a lightsaber counts??? Hey Gunie, have you seen Star Wars? The Swordmen Jedi could pick ti pieces heavy weaponary and considerable numbers of droids. But, hey maybe Darthy will lend you his Star Destroyier! So, guess again!
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 24 Apr 2008 16:09
Common Gunnie...SURRENDER!!!! You're out numbered and your trying to fight the battle up hill on black Ice!!! In a tank thats dodgy with some guy sitting on top waiting for you to poke your head out so he jab you with his spear! 
Gunnie, there are anti aircraft weapons for that F18 Honet of yours and there are anti tank weapons for that tank of yours.
Basically what I am saying is that any weapon or vehicle that is built, a solution will come along to tak out that weapon or vehicle.
And in the Peninsular War, Napoleon not only believed that his cannons would win, but a massive coloum of infantry would win agaisnt 2 lines of British infantry, but despite losing all the battles, they kept using the same tatics and Napoleon didn't think much tothe Baker rifles which were not only accurately and could be use to hit targets further away than muskets but were slow to use and again he was proved wrong.
Like Cep and everybody else is saying, it tatics, training and knowing the lay of the land that will win battles and wars and not neccessarily numbers and superior weapons.
Another example is at the battle of Assaye in India on September 23, 1803. Despite being outnumbered by inantry, cannon and cavalry, Sir Arthur Welleslay (later known as Duke Wellington) won.
The stats of the armies are shown below.
British and East Indian Company armies.
4,500 infantry, 2,000 cavalry and 20 cannons
Maratha Confederacy armiy
20,000 infantry, 30,000 cavalry and 100 cannon.
The casualties follows. British and East Indian Company armie only 438 killed and 1,156 wounded, while the Maratha Confedaracy army had 12,000 killed, 48,000 wounded and 98 cannons lost.
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 25 Apr 2008 08:08
Ah yall do not under the concept of what i am saying.....
Technology puts great advantage over others......
And amy that star destroyer is massive...
And yes i like star wars
So your saying that the more technological you are then the more you are going to win? Or am I wrong on that part? That would still not be the case Gunnie just stop admit defeat. 
Originally posted by Metaliant Gunnie, there are anti aircraft weapons for that F18 Honet of yours and there are anti tank weapons for that tank of yours. Basically what I am saying is that any weapon or vehicle that is built, a solution will come along to tak out that weapon or vehicle.If you are saying that the more technology you have, then you will defeat your enemy, then please read this first part of my previous post shown above. Ever since warfare has started, every time there are weapons, then there are counter measures. In the medival ages, a longbow man could take out a knight in full armour at a distance. Any weapon or vehicle you come up with, then someone will come up with a counter measure to either confuse the weapon or technogolgy on a vehicle such as a plane or a way to take it out. Take that Imperial or Super Star Destroyers in the Star Wars films. Too big and slow and the turbolaseers to take out capital ships like other Star Destroyers but are defenseless from small craft like the X, Y, B and A wing fighters which would do damage to it, though in saying that, the Star Destroyer does have a complement of TIE fighters to defend it from small craft. Star Destroyer
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 25 Apr 2008 11:13
What i said is technology helps turn the war....
Originally posted by damieon So your saying that the more technological you are then the more you are going to win? Or am I wrong on that part? That would still not be the case Gunnie just stop admit defeat.Ah wait....So you say the more advanced technology you have , the highest chances you have to win. Usually this works in real wars! Assuming the opponent isn't a deadly species like Aliens! Which once again topples Gunnie's supposition!
Originally posted by Metaliant Take that Imperial or Super Star Destroyers in the Star Wars films. Too big and slow and the turbolaseers to take out capital ships like other Star Destroyers but are defenseless from small craft like the X, Y, B and A wing fighters which would do damage to it, though in saying that, the Star Destroyer does have a complement of TIE fighters to defend it from small craft. Star DestroyerWait a sec, I thought these had shields!
Originally posted by Metaliant Any weapon or vehicle you come up with, then someone will come up with a counter measure to either confuse the weapon or technogolgy on a vehicle such as a plane or a way to take it out. Star DestroyerLet him try Met!
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 25 Apr 2008 16:05
Originally posted by Gunman What i said is technology helps turn the war....Tell that to Galactor!!! They were suppose to far more advanced than the ISO...they still got done in by 5 teenagers in bird costumes with names like Ken the Eagle, Condor Joe...Jun the Swan...The mighty Swallow and Ryu the Owl....
Originally posted by amyltrerLike all sci-fi films and TV shows, they the shields sometimes don't always work perfectly and until the director wants a ship to be blown up or damaged, then the shields go down for those seconds. For example, in The Return Of The Jedi, a A wing manged to blast the shield generators of the Super Class Destoryer, which is a bit odd because surely the shields would cover the generators as well.Originally posted by Metaliant Take that Imperial or Super Star Destroyers in the Star Wars films. Too big and slow and the turbolaseers to take out capital ships like other Star Destroyers but are defenseless from small craft like the X, Y, B and A wing fighters which would do damage to it, though in saying that, the Star Destroyer does have a complement of TIE fighters to defend it from small craft. Star DestroyerWait a sec, I thought these had shields!
Originally posted by amyltrerBut Amy, that's the way how technolgy in warfare works. One person has a weapon and the other person has a way to counter that weapon and makes their own weapon and then first person counters that and it just carries on and is proven throughout history with all the technology of weapons and vehicles from the first stone axes.Originally posted by Metaliant Any weapon or vehicle you come up with, then someone will come up with a counter measure to either confuse the weapon or technogolgy on a vehicle such as a plane or a way to take it out. Star DestroyerLet him try Met!
Originally posted by EbonyswanneAnd in BOTP, Spectre with all it's hidden bases couldn't really hide from Zark and Susan who can detect Spectre ships and all those Spectre vehicles that get blown apart by those UN planes that were flown by human pilots unlike those UN remote controlled planes that get blown up by the Spetre Mechs.Originally posted by Gunman What i said is technology helps turn the war....Tell that to Galactor!!! They were suppose to far more advanced than the ISO...they still got done in by 5 teenagers in bird costumes with names like Ken the Eagle, Condor Joe...Jun the Swan...The mighty Swallow and Ryu the Owl....
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 25 Apr 2008 23:40
One thought came to mind... THE TERMINATOR!!!!
Originally posted by Ebonyswanne One thought came to mind... THE TERMINATOR!!!!Naaah, that was half blasted to spare parts by a dude with a grenade and half squashed by a lady!
I think that what Ebony means.
With that kind of technology to make a killing machine like the Terminator which gets squashed by a simple waitress and then gets melted down in a furnace and gets destroyed by another Terminator via a faulty power pack at the end of Termoinator 3, then not wonder Skynet just can't kill both Sarah and John Connor.
So in that round technology loses yet again.
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 27 Apr 2008 00:57
You got it Met!!! grins!!
Yea know, speaking of techs and brains, I always wondered what would happen if you get a virus in the Borg's main frame! That should cause them ...a system failure! It worked the trick in Independance Day, and these ETs had a waaay more advanced technology than ours!
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 27 Apr 2008 07:46
Originally posted by amyltrer Yea know, speaking of techs and brains, I always wondered what would happen if you get a virus in the Borg's main frame! That should cause them ...a system failure! It worked the trick in Independance Day, and these ETs had a waaay more advanced technology than ours!They tried to do that, and backed out at the last second. But then Hugh's individual personality infected the Borg in a way they hadn't been anticipating, acting as a virus all on its own.
And also in the two parter The Best Of Both Worlds (probably the best episodes in the series) the Borg cube ship over Earth was sent a message by Data, which made the drones into sleep time and then they tried to regnerate or something like that but instead just self-destructed.
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 27 Apr 2008 08:18
True, but that was a command function, rather than a virus.
Sometimes simple things like that can work agaisnt the best technology.
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 27 Apr 2008 10:22
Originally posted by Metaliant Sometimes simple things like that can work agaisnt the best technology.ITA!
P.S. Met, a man who knows his Star Trek is sooo sexy! The only thing I can think of that's sexier is a man who knows his Gatch. 
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 27 Apr 2008 10:42
Originally posted by Metaliant What about a man who knows about both?
In my mind I am only between 6 and 16 depending on the subject but I am intrigued by the use of that smiley. Erm, care to expand?
Thunderbird
God of Thunder
posted 27 Apr 2008 11:08
How about Gatch Trek Who and star blazers? Okay so I'm a sci-fi geek....but geeks make the best lovers....studies show...go ahead look it up...but you probably should do your own research. 
By any chance your name comes from the 60s puppet classic Thunderbirds?
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 27 Apr 2008 11:20
Originally posted by Thunderbird but geeks make the best lovers....studies show...go ahead look it up...but you probably should do your own research.You know, I have done some research on that particular subject, and I would have to agree.....
Thunderbird
God of Thunder
posted 27 Apr 2008 11:22
I was a child in England....so there could be a chance.
In case you forgotten all about Thunderbirds
Though I prefer Captain Scarlet out of all Gerry Andersons series and my favourite Thunderbird was Thunderbird 2.
Thunderbird
God of Thunder
posted 27 Apr 2008 11:28
F.A.B.
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 28 Apr 2008 08:29
Amy nice look
Yes I said technology helps turn real wars such as world war 2 the race to jet engines.....
Star destoyers are so massive just that much power is unbelievable...
Even with the jet fighter used by Germany in WW2 Gunnie, wasn't enough for them to win the war. It may have been fast but the manoeurability could be awful for a primitive machine.
In fact, it was Germany who had the first jet fighter,the Messerschmitt Me 262 which was renamed for the Japanese and then it was us Brits with our Gloster Meteor.
Agian my point to you Gunnie is that any new technology you make, your enemies would make countermeasures or technology to deal with your stuff. 
Blimey, that's a bad cough you got there.
The the Aussies do things like invent little black boxes and radars...
We even do things like...that really advanced plane that couldn't be detected by radar...*cough* Our small military found it...on a new radar we invented....
Actually Ebony, that's not too reminiscent to an event that happened a couple of years ago when at an air show in Britain we quite naughtily tested one of our new surface to air missile systems in tracking the American stealth B2 and F117A aircraft.
Much to the annoyance of our American friends. 
Askura also has a point regarding Vietnam, the American military at the time was largely much more advanced then that of the NVA.
There are many reasons why the Americans lost the war, troop morale, lack of public support, an overconfidence in their technological and political, economical superiority and the misconception of how the war would be fought.
Askura also has a point regarding Vietnam, the American military at the time was largely much more advanced then that of the NVA.
There are many reasons why the Americans lost the war, troop morale, lack of public support, an overconfidence in their technological and political, economical superiority and the misconception of how the war would be fought.
I have forgotten which war it was, either Korean or Vietnam war, but the American planes espeically were relying more on missiles than guns and the pilots had to relearn how to fight with their guns, which is why the Top Gun school was set up in America which lead to that film with Tom Cruise in.
CEP we must have that small army complex thing...we have to out wit the enemy because we don't have the resources to scare them with lots of firepower.
Vietnam...that was complex wasn't it... so much happened, I don't know more than most people would only that it was messy from all sides....
Originally posted by Metaliant I have forgotten which war it was, either Korean or Vietnam war, but the American planes espeically were relying more on missiles than guns and the pilots had to relearn how to fight with their guns, which is why the Top Gun school was set up in America which lead to that film with Tom Cruise in.That would be Korea
Thanks, I am starting to forget thiongs. Must be old age.
Originally posted by Ebonyswanne CEP we must have that small army complex thing...we have to out wit the enemy because we don't have the resources to scare them with lots of firepower. Vietnam...that was complex wasn't it... so much happened, I don't know more than most people would only that it was messy from all sides....The idea of a small army has goes back all the way to the Bible, when God helped to cut down Gideon's large army to only 300 soldiers (sounds familiar doesn't it) Before America got involved with Vietnam and the Viet Cong, the French had similar problems with their war there and the Viet Nimh.
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 1 May 2008 11:14
The French are Weak!!!!!
The French Foreign Legion are probably one of the best trained troops in the world.
and to say the French are weak isn't true as they have conquered almost all of Europe in the late 18th and early 19th centuries and during the Napoleonic Wars.
Also Gunnie, America lost in Vietnam as well.
Oh and by the way Gunnie, during the War of 1812 between America and the UK, Ireland and the Canadian militias, America lost that war because of their use of militias and had great financial and logistical problems, didn have great Military and civilian leadership and New England refused to even fight.
And repeating what everybody you have said, it isn't about being weak, to win a war or battle, you will need the best leadership, training, equipment, financie, logistics intelligence about your enemy and knowledge of the local landscape.
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 2 May 2008 07:46
Do u know what navy seals are?
The best elite force on the planet....
I am afraid I would disagree. The Legion is the best of the best and they own special forces are more well trained.
After watching a TV programme about the Legion, I found out that a base in Djibouti on the east coast of Africa, where a story was told that on an assult course at nighttime without any lights, a unit of US marines took about 4 hours or so to complete the assult course but it took a unit of Legionaires under an hour to do it.
That was a second TV programme about the Legion I have seen, the other one was in the early 90s I think but I was well impressed and the information I have read about them on the 'net makes me think that they are probably the best of the brest, but that's just my opioion.
Okay Gunniw, this one's for you. US Navy SEALs
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 2 May 2008 11:23
UR talking about the marines im talking about navy seals..........
Ur french arent u?
Lets see who got beat in world war 2 and didnt get to even fight and the americans had to rescue u!
We also have the most powerful airforce.....
I am British and the SEAL teams are marines who want to be part of a special forces and for you information matey, America never entered WWII in 1939 because you were neutral until the Third Reich's allies, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour. If they didn't then America wouldn't have fought in the war until Germany and Japan invaded your country.
Before and after WWI, America was into isolationism but because a German diplomatic code was broken by the Room 40, a Royal Navy cryptanalytic group, which said that Mexico to become an ally of Germany and invade America if the US entered the war. When Washington hear this, then you decided to join in one of the most horrifying war, in the 20th Century.
America's infantry had to learn how to fight trench warfare and your Cavalry was useless in the war (mind you so was everybody's elses and us British used the Mark 1 tank).
Oh and as for you superior air force, then how come your B2 and F-117 stealth bomers can be detected by Aussie and British radar and 1 was shot down in Serbia. The Nighthawk is now retired 10 days ago and is being replced by the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightening II.
Originally posted by Gunman UR talking about the marines im talking about navy seals.......... Ur french arent u? Lets see who got beat in world war 2 and didnt get to even fight and the americans had to rescue u! We also have the most powerful airforce.....Before you start saying things like that Gunnie learn your history... Met has some well grounded points there, a lot of things that I learned about in High school history. Met has some good detail there, I learned a few new things in his post!(Mainly about the planes...) We have very good ground troops. For a small population we hold our own. Go in do the job and don't boast about it.
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 2 May 2008 15:38
Another thing Gunnie...
An old saying from warriors of old...
"You're only as good as your next opponent."
Eery kind of military organisation throughout history has it success and failures and therefore nobody is superior.
Oh by the way Gunny, nearly all of the French Foreign Legion are made of of non-french including Americans and even recrutied members of the SS after WWII.
Originally posted by Gunman Ah yall do not under the concept of what i am saying..... Technology puts great advantage over others...... And amy that star destroyer is massive... And yes i like star warsGunny, I dont mean to rain on your parade but Technology can only take you so far. Its the squaddie on the ground who needs to be switched on and thinking. I have read your messages with interest and i really think you need to change your atitude because, from the tone of your language, you appear to want to be "gung ho" and blat away at anything that moves. We Brits really dont need another friendly fire incident and, unless you learn to think clearly and cooly im afraid thats what will happen. Im not being negative buddy, just take some advice from someone who has been there (Iraq, first time round) and make your brain your primary weapon.
Originally posted by fury101Sorry to Hi-jack this thread but .... Fury Welcome back. Did you get the Phoenix up and flying? It finally brought you home .... so you could post your pics.Originally posted by Gunman Ah yall do not under the concept of what i am saying..... Technology puts great advantage over others...... And amy that star destroyer is massive... And yes i like star warsGunny, I dont mean to rain on your parade but Technology can only take you so far. Its the squaddie on the ground who needs to be switched on and thinking. I have read your messages with interest and i really think you need to change your atitude because, from the tone of your language, you appear to want to be "gung ho" and blat away at anything that moves. We Brits really dont need another friendly fire incident and, unless you learn to think clearly and cooly im afraid thats what will happen. Im not being negative buddy, just take some advice from someone who has been there (Iraq, first time round) and make your brain your primary weapon.
Well said, Fury101. According to my brother (Canadian Air Force) the main thing killing Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan is roadside IEDs, and jet fighters aren't much use against those. He left for Afghanistan yesterday, for nine months, but his job will keep him primarily on base.
On an unrelated note, how's the model God Phoenix coming along?
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 6 May 2008 10:59
Fury!!! welcome back!
and well said, especially from someone who has been there.
I was tempted to say something about friendly fire which is a stupid name as it's not friendly to us Brits or anybody else for that matter and if you read Tom Clancy's novel Debt of Honor then you would know that sometimes technology can turn agaisnt you and sometimes hinder you but with good leadership skills and great training then you can use that same technology to your advantage and as Fury says use your brain and not your trigger finger.
About an hour ago on the ITV news some money has given to the British armed forces rehabilitation centre in Headley Court which help soldiers when they come from Afghan and Iraq.
And yes welcome back Fury and how's the Phoenix doing?
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 6 May 2008 12:26
Great to see you around, Fury!
Good to see you again, Fury! 
Originally posted by fury101 make your brain your primary weapon.So very true
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 7 May 2008 07:57
Ok let me trow some knowledge at u watch the history channel......
The main reason was pearl harbor.... but it was also the germans u boats attacking amerrican and british cruise ship and supply ships........ thats part of the reason and the french are capable to rage a war that could be challenging..... but the main problem i see as a threat is china....... no affence to any body that is but china numbers are in the billions and i know it takes more than numbers but numbers do have a advantage....... Thats the main threat to me and the british have some great units.... but i just saying to me the u.s. navy seals are the best just because my family has been in wars and have died fighting for this country thats the reason i said this country is the best its because it is to me..... so before all of yall gang up on me relize that its not wise to judge before u know the thruth behind my reasons for saying things of this magnitude........ And the U.S. does have weapsons that are highly advanced and have things better than any other country but others have things better then the u.s.
So yall do know are main threat now is terriost........
HA HA HA HA HA HA
Gunnie, we are not judging and we have thrown proven facts back to you as well and to me it sounds by your posts that you are judging and thank god we have free speech.
Your family aren't the only ones who have been to war. Fury himself said that he was in the armed forces and we have heard from several people who have family in their national forces.
In the First World War, both my grandfather and great grandfather were in the engineers regiment and a frontline regiement respectively.
Thanks for the welcome back all.
The God Phoenix project has hit a major snag but its not the end.
I had a slight technical problem which went something like this:
"What happens if i wind the engine up to full power with a fully charged battery?, lets find out. Whiiiiirrrrrrrrr, wooooooooosssssshhhhhh, Scrrrreeeeeeeeaaaaaaammmmmm, BANG, smoke.
Oh poop!!!!!!"
Time for a new engine BUT i have also noticed some major flaws in the design so im gonna do a total rebuild with 3mm depron instead of 6mm.
The original is going to take pride of place on my wall.
By the way, if anybody wants a small scale phoenix, i can knock those out reasonably quickly and i will only charge for postage and materials.
Will get the first one sorted out and post a pic or two so you can decide for yourselves
Oooh you setting up a business of selling mini Phoenixs. Cool.
Sorry to hear about the firery Phoenix but hey every prototype plane isn't perfect 100% first time round and Rome wasn't built in one day as the builders were on a tea break.
the mini phoenix's will be as detailed as i can make them but the are only foam so there is only so much i can do in smaller scale but hopefully they will look good Will get it done in the next few days
Keep a look out for pics as i do the build.
I could probably do it in several different scales
Will get it done in the next few days
Keep a look out for pics as i do the build.
I could probably do it in several different scales
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 7 May 2008 14:24
Ooh, I would love a miniPhoenix!
Actually, I'd love 2, so I can have one and my kids can play with one. I'm happy to pay for whatever costs you incur, plus your time to make them!
How exciting! Can't wait to see the mini Phoenix! 
Imagine, a whole fleet of them flying across the sky and then going into Fiiery Phoenix mode.
Would love to see that. Sigh.
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 7 May 2008 15:29
Love to see pics of your mini Phoenix's Fury.
I was going to ask what size they would be but then I see you say there will be several different scales.
Great stuff.
Originally posted by Metaliant Imagine, a whole fleet of them flying across the sky and then going into Fiiery Phoenix mode. Would love to see that. Sigh.I can see the red setting sun in the background... Fingers poised on the red button...then the strong smell the burning timber drifting on the breeze... the dramatic fall as Phoenix falls from the blue skies... The bowed heads of the fans with their remote controls...RIP... G-Force...SNT.
That would be a funny scene to see but no, I was thinking of if there was a real fleet of God Phoenixs which turn into Fiery Phoenix mode.
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 8 May 2008 02:00
I knew what you meant Met... I was being a smarty!!! *grins*
Oh Fury! Sorry to hear about the Pheonix's mishap. But the mini's sound great can't wait for the pics!
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 8 May 2008 08:19
Question # 1 Who in the world is the largest threat?
I 've always wanted to go for a ride in the Mystery Machine!
Pass the Scoobie-Snacks please!
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 8 May 2008 15:28
[quote]Originally posted by Gunman
Question # 1 Who in the world is the largest threat?[/quote
Ignorance.
Originally posted by Gunman Question # 1 Who in the world is the largest threat?Hmm, I think Asia is the largest in landmass, so I would have to say that Asia wins that contest.....
Hi Fury and welcome back!
Sorry to hear about the GP... But I think it's cool that you're making mini's! I can't wait to see the pics!
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 8 May 2008 17:18
Originally posted by HinotoriITA!!! And we're so close to them as well in Australia. For the environment especially fishing...the Japanese.Originally posted by Gunman Question # 1 Who in the world is the largest threat?Hmm, I think Asia is the largest in landmass, so I would have to say that Asia wins that contest.....
Well after watching the trailer of Will Smith's new film, I would say Hancock the not so super hero for the enviroment aspect, especially after throwing a beached whale right out to sea and saunk a boat after landing on top of it.
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 9 May 2008 07:59
What about the predator or alien?
Quite a challenge i would have to say
Shrapnel Removing Machine?
*yes she's listening to The Cult right now*
Originally posted by Gunman What about the predator or alien? Quite a challenge i would have to sayNaaah, there's Dutch&Harrigan to kick the Preddy's a$$ and Ms. Ripley to put the aliens on the run! How about Chuck Norris?
Chuck Norris a threat? Erm could you explain that one to me please Amy.
Originally posted by Metaliant Chuck Norris a threat? Erm could you explain that one to me please Amy.He's invincible Met. Now only iof Warner Bro could convince him to play in a baddie role !
He was a bad guy in a Bruce Lee film Way of the Dragon as a hired martial arts assassin type person who was defeated by Bruce Lee at the Colosseum in Rome. I think that was the only film that he was a bad guy.
Chuck Norris
I just got an email from my brother, who has just joined the Canadian contingent in Afghanistan:
"Nice and hot until Nov or so, very dusty as well. At the moment I am sleeping in a tent with 250+ people known as a BAT (big ass tent) because in 40 degree heat it smells a lot like ass and sweaty boots. We will move out in a few more days, and I will then share a tent with 7 others."
Life in the military!
250+ people. Must one hellva tent to fit all those people in it. Can you imagine what happens when someone farts?
Originally posted by Metaliant 250+ people. Must one hellva tent to fit all those people in it. Can you imagine what happens when someone farts?According to my brother, trying to sleep with all the snoring is more of an issue!
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 13 May 2008 02:18
When I was at School they made us do the cross country marathon at the Army camp 'tracks.' (Yes they made us go through the muddy water holes along the tracks.
One year Some of the idiot boys got it into their heads one year to head off the beaten track and look for un-used grenades and bullets....(They got caught...big time!)
The Army decided after that incident, the school really should find another track for the marathon...
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 13 May 2008 10:21
I with met on this...
Someone farts and its a fat guy i think their going to have problems!
HA i can see it now.......
Originally posted by lborgia88Do they do it all at once or do it almost musical type snoring?Originally posted by Metaliant 250+ people. Must one hellva tent to fit all those people in it. Can you imagine what happens when someone farts?According to my brother, trying to sleep with all the snoring is more of an issue!
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 13 May 2008 15:42
I was wondering what smelt so bad in this thread, pheewweee....I'm outta here.
Originally posted by MetaliantOriginally posted by lborgia88Do they do it all at once or do it almost musical type snoring?Originally posted by Metaliant 250+ people. Must one hellva tent to fit all those people in it. Can you imagine what happens when someone farts?According to my brother, trying to sleep with all the snoring is more of an issue!
He didn't say. He did say that he takes his daily jog at 5 AM, because that's when it's the least hot outside. My brother is insane...
At night, it's cooler but during the day, my god it's tiny bit warm and that's just insane.
DeletedUser343
Boardie
posted 2 Jun 2008 18:16
Hot indeed,
Its a lot warmer in the sun u think? 
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