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Posted by ElectricWhite on 18-02-2012 at 18:48:
So now we know! 
Hey, if anybody asks, I can now honestly say this site is educational as well as entertaining!
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Posted by amethyst on 18-02-2012 at 19:06:
This site has always been educational, depending upon the type of education you want.
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Posted by ElectricWhite on 18-02-2012 at 19:37:
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Originally posted by amethyst
This site has always been educational, depending upon the type of education you want. |
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Hmm...how could I have put it to sound like the type of "educational" that the "expert educators" (you know, the ones that make the major curriculum decisions without ever going near a classroom) would accept?...not that it really matters to me...
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Posted by amethyst on 18-02-2012 at 20:19:
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Originally posted by ElectricWhite
| quote: | Originally posted by amethyst
This site has always been educational, depending upon the type of education you want. |
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Hmm...how could I have put it to sound like the type of "educational" that the "expert educators" (you know, the ones that make the major curriculum decisions without ever going near a classroom) would accept?...not that it really matters to me... |
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Hmm ... oh, you want politicians and textbook publishers to accept it.
First, you need to write a standardized, norm-referenced test for it -- one that is very high-stakes regarding promotion and funding.
Second, you need to write the textbook that needs to be read to pass the test.
Third, you need to write all of the ancillary materials that the teacher needs to teach the test, um, textbook, oops sorry, material, and the ancillary materials that the students need to understand the material in the textbook.
After that, you just need to convince the publishers that they will make a lot of money selling this book to schools and then they will convince the politicians that people need to know this so that the youth of today are prepared for a non-existent tomorrow (regardless, they will likely be unprepared for a whatever happens in the future).
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Posted by ElectricWhite on 18-02-2012 at 20:26:
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Originally posted by amethyst
| quote: | Originally posted by ElectricWhite
| quote: | Originally posted by amethyst
This site has always been educational, depending upon the type of education you want. |
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Hmm...how could I have put it to sound like the type of "educational" that the "expert educators" (you know, the ones that make the major curriculum decisions without ever going near a classroom) would accept?...not that it really matters to me... |
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Hmm ... oh, you want politicians and textbook publishers to accept it.
First, you need to write a standardized, norm-referenced test for it -- one that is very high-stakes regarding promotion and funding.
Second, you need to write the textbook that needs to be read to pass the test.
Third, you need to write all of the ancillary materials that the teacher needs to teach the test, um, textbook, oops sorry, material, and the ancillary materials that the students need to understand the material in the textbook.
After that, you just need to convince the publishers that they will make a lot of money selling this book to schools and then they will convince the politicians that people need to know this so that the youth of today are prepared for a non-existent tomorrow (regardless, they will likely be unprepared for a whatever happens in the future). |
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Huh. And all this time I thought I just had to get enough California Boards of Education to think it was cool, and then sit back and wait for other BoE's to jump on the bandwagon!
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Posted by amethyst on 18-02-2012 at 20:30:
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Originally posted by ElectricWhite
| quote: | Originally posted by amethyst
| quote: | Originally posted by ElectricWhite
| quote: | Originally posted by amethyst
This site has always been educational, depending upon the type of education you want. |
|
Hmm...how could I have put it to sound like the type of "educational" that the "expert educators" (you know, the ones that make the major curriculum decisions without ever going near a classroom) would accept?...not that it really matters to me... |
|
Hmm ... oh, you want politicians and textbook publishers to accept it.
First, you need to write a standardized, norm-referenced test for it -- one that is very high-stakes regarding promotion and funding.
Second, you need to write the textbook that needs to be read to pass the test.
Third, you need to write all of the ancillary materials that the teacher needs to teach the test, um, textbook, oops sorry, material, and the ancillary materials that the students need to understand the material in the textbook.
After that, you just need to convince the publishers that they will make a lot of money selling this book to schools and then they will convince the politicians that people need to know this so that the youth of today are prepared for a non-existent tomorrow (regardless, they will likely be unprepared for a whatever happens in the future). |
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Huh. And all this time I thought I just had to get enough California Boards of Education to think it was cool, and then sit back and wait for other BoE's to jump on the bandwagon! |
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Actually, from what I've heard, Texas has more power than California in that regard. But that was a few years ago and Bush was in office then. Maybe it would be Illinois now.
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Posted by Becky Rock on 18-02-2012 at 20:40:
At the end, the post of a post started to look like a geometric picture. Add some color and it could me in a museum.
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Posted by Becky Rock on 18-02-2012 at 20:43:
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Originally posted by amethyst
| quote: | Originally posted by ElectricWhite
| quote: | Originally posted by amethyst
| quote: | Originally posted by ElectricWhite
| quote: | Originally posted by amethyst
This site has always been educational, depending upon the type of education you want. |
|
Hmm...how could I have put it to sound like the type of "educational" that the "expert educators" (you know, the ones that make the major curriculum decisions without ever going near a classroom) would accept?...not that it really matters to me... |
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That would only apply if the school uses books. That's one of the problems we're been having with our son adjusting to high school. He wants a book to be able to read and refer to and some of his teachers don't believe in them. They'd rather use handouts.
Hmm ... oh, you want politicians and textbook publishers to accept it.
First, you need to write a standardized, norm-referenced test for it -- one that is very high-stakes regarding promotion and funding.
Second, you need to write the textbook that needs to be read to pass the test.
Third, you need to write all of the ancillary materials that the teacher needs to teach the test, um, textbook, oops sorry, material, and the ancillary materials that the students need to understand the material in the textbook.
After that, you just need to convince the publishers that they will make a lot of money selling this book to schools and then they will convince the politicians that people need to know this so that the youth of today are prepared for a non-existent tomorrow (regardless, they will likely be unprepared for a whatever happens in the future). |
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Huh. And all this time I thought I just had to get enough California Boards of Education to think it was cool, and then sit back and wait for other BoE's to jump on the bandwagon! |
|
Actually, from what I've heard, Texas has more power than California in that regard. But that was a few years ago and Bush was in office then. Maybe it would be Illinois now. |
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Posted by ElectricWhite on 18-02-2012 at 20:47:
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Originally posted by amethyst
| quote: | Originally posted by ElectricWhite
| quote: | Originally posted by amethyst
| quote: | Originally posted by ElectricWhite
| quote: | Originally posted by amethyst
This site has always been educational, depending upon the type of education you want. |
|
Hmm...how could I have put it to sound like the type of "educational" that the "expert educators" (you know, the ones that make the major curriculum decisions without ever going near a classroom) would accept?...not that it really matters to me... |
|
Hmm ... oh, you want politicians and textbook publishers to accept it.
First, you need to write a standardized, norm-referenced test for it -- one that is very high-stakes regarding promotion and funding.
Second, you need to write the textbook that needs to be read to pass the test.
Third, you need to write all of the ancillary materials that the teacher needs to teach the test, um, textbook, oops sorry, material, and the ancillary materials that the students need to understand the material in the textbook.
After that, you just need to convince the publishers that they will make a lot of money selling this book to schools and then they will convince the politicians that people need to know this so that the youth of today are prepared for a non-existent tomorrow (regardless, they will likely be unprepared for a whatever happens in the future). |
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Huh. And all this time I thought I just had to get enough California Boards of Education to think it was cool, and then sit back and wait for other BoE's to jump on the bandwagon! |
|
Actually, from what I've heard, Texas has more power than California in that regard. But that was a few years ago and Bush was in office then. Maybe it would be Illinois now. |
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Well, that's true for textbooks, anyway. When it comes to teaching methods, California still has some sway. (For a while, though, it seemed to be trendy to take the
failed experiments and implement them without any change.)
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Posted by amethyst on 18-02-2012 at 20:51:
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Originally posted by ElectricWhite
| quote: | Originally posted by amethyst
| quote: | Originally posted by ElectricWhite
| quote: | Originally posted by amethyst
| quote: | Originally posted by ElectricWhite
| quote: | Originally posted by amethyst
This site has always been educational, depending upon the type of education you want. |
|
Hmm...how could I have put it to sound like the type of "educational" that the "expert educators" (you know, the ones that make the major curriculum decisions without ever going near a classroom) would accept?...not that it really matters to me... |
|
Hmm ... oh, you want politicians and textbook publishers to accept it.
First, you need to write a standardized, norm-referenced test for it -- one that is very high-stakes regarding promotion and funding.
Second, you need to write the textbook that needs to be read to pass the test.
Third, you need to write all of the ancillary materials that the teacher needs to teach the test, um, textbook, oops sorry, material, and the ancillary materials that the students need to understand the material in the textbook.
After that, you just need to convince the publishers that they will make a lot of money selling this book to schools and then they will convince the politicians that people need to know this so that the youth of today are prepared for a non-existent tomorrow (regardless, they will likely be unprepared for a whatever happens in the future). |
|
Huh. And all this time I thought I just had to get enough California Boards of Education to think it was cool, and then sit back and wait for other BoE's to jump on the bandwagon! |
|
Actually, from what I've heard, Texas has more power than California in that regard. But that was a few years ago and Bush was in office then. Maybe it would be Illinois now. |
|
Well, that's true for textbooks, anyway. When it comes to teaching methods, California still has some sway. (For a while, though, it seemed to be trendy to take the failed experiments and implement them without any change.) |
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Or do what they did with Whole Language and just use what they understood, and ignored the rest.
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Posted by ElectricWhite on 18-02-2012 at 21:01:
I'd hate to think how many kids were turned off to reading thanks to the Whole Language fiasco! 
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Posted by amethyst on 18-02-2012 at 21:09:
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Originally posted by ElectricWhite
I'd hate to think how many kids were turned off to reading thanks to the Whole Language fiasco! |
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Worse than that, how many can't spell or write correctly because of that?
The approach is brilliant, the application was idiotic.
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Posted by ElectricWhite on 18-02-2012 at 21:18:
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Originally posted by amethyst
The approach is brilliant, the application was idiotic. |
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That has to be one of the greatest understatements ever!
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Posted by Becky Rock on 19-02-2012 at 00:45:
Ame, posting from a post did the same thing to me about eating what I typed in, so here it is.
In my son's high school, some of the teachers have decided not to use text books. They use handouts instead. My son hates that - he wants to have a book to read and refer to, on his own time.
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Posted by ElectricWhite on 19-02-2012 at 00:51:
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Originally posted by Becky Rock
Ame, posting from a post did the same thing to me about eating what I typed in, so here it is.
In my son's high school, some of the teachers have decided not to use text books. They use handouts instead. My son hates that - he wants to have a book to read and refer to, on his own time. |
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I can appreciate where he's coming from; I tend to be the same way. Would he consider putting the handouts in a binder to create his own textbook?
I don't blame the teachers one bit. Anymore, being factual and accurate doesn't seem to be a requirement for school texts.
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Posted by amethyst on 19-02-2012 at 01:06:
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Originally posted by Becky Rock
Ame, posting from a post did the same thing to me about eating what I typed in, so here it is.
In my son's high school, some of the teachers have decided not to use text books. They use handouts instead. My son hates that - he wants to have a book to read and refer to, on his own time. |
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Nice thing about handouts is that they can be used for note-taking and annotation skills. Plus many college professors use what they call readers which is a collection of works they put together for the class. So I can see why some teachers may do that.
Also, the ancillary material that I was poking fun at, is designed to be copied and passed out, so they may be using that too.
I understand your son's frustration. Some subjects need books, real books, some need textbooks.
And we need to lose NCLB and go back to letting teachers lead the classroom rathter than publishers and politicans.
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Posted by ElectricWhite on 19-02-2012 at 01:11:
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Originally posted by amethyst
I understand your son's frustration. Some subjects need books, real books, some need textbooks.
And we need to lose NCLB and go back to letting teachers lead the classroom rathter than publishers and politicans. |
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Posted by Daniella T on 19-02-2012 at 01:13:
What's the NCLB? 
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Posted by amethyst on 19-02-2012 at 01:16:
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Originally posted by Daniella T
What's the NCLB? |
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It's the offspring of a Bush and Kennedy pairing. Basically, what you get when you breed George W Bush with Teddy Kennedy: really bad educational reform.
No Child Left Behind.
So all get left behind, unless they afford private schools (which is what the tea-publicans want anyway).
Oops sorry, my politics are getting in the way.
For those who don't know, I am a recovering republican.
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Posted by Daniella T on 19-02-2012 at 01:21:
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Originally posted by amethyst
| quote: | Originally posted by Daniella T
What's the NCLB? |
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It's the offspring of a Bush and Kennedy pairing. Basically, what you get when you breed George W Bush with Teddy Kennedy: really bad educational reform.
No Child Left Behind.
So all get left behind, unless they afford private schools (which is what the tea-publicans want anyway).
Oops sorry, my politics are getting in the way.
For those who don't know, I am a recovering republican. |
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I totally sympathise! We have had so many "educational reforms" in Greece, it's a wonder there's any education left! Some people will actually say there isn't, but I try to be an optimist...
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