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Posted by clouddancer on 27-04-2011 at 20:44:
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I do suspect it is a guy thing. Even teaching grade one I have said I would much rather teach boys than girls, because boys will fight /hit /push /punch each other and the matter is over with. For girls they get all catty and the fight or situation can go on for weeks and weeks.
In some ways it is the girl gangs that are worse than the boy gangs on the playground.
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Posted by amethyst on 27-04-2011 at 21:05:
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I've taught gang members. The worst are the Hispanics (particularly the girls). The sweetest (yeah, seems like a weird word to use when discussing gangs) are the African-American males. Not really sure why that is, but when I first noticed it, it struck me odd. Being more familiar with Hispanic culture than African-American, I really expected it to be the opposite.
The weirdest is watching the male-female dynamics. Regardless of gender or race, no matter how bad the guy treats the girl, the girl will fight other girls for him.
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Posted by Tengu on 27-04-2011 at 21:16:
Would it help to say that Ken and Joe are not your ordinary soldiers, they are ninjas?
I doubt any of them has had what we would regard as formal millitary training.
(But Mark was a Space cadet)
They are trained to work in a small, very close group
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Posted by lborgia88 on 28-04-2011 at 02:17:
True, they're ninjas, but I tend to think of that as a variant of "soldiers," albeit a more elite and certainly much more secretive kind.
I've generally assumed that Dr. Nambu oversaw their training (though probably by utilizing expert instructors as required, and it's stated in Gatch II that Ken did attend a flight academy, but left before graduating) and that it would have been something akin to "basic training" with the rigors and discipline that that entails, followed by specialized combat, weapons, tactical, demolition, aviation, driving etc. skills. Not too different from the military, though in a quite different setting, and in fewer numbers (and with them being much younger than normal soldiers!)
Considering their young ages, they must have had to learn a LOT in a relatively short amount of time. Probably wasn't often very much fun, really...
Posted by gatchamarie on 28-04-2011 at 10:51:
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ITA with what you're saying, CD!
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Posted by clouddancer on 28-04-2011 at 21:13:
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That is what I was thinking too, LB. Ninja's in some ways are soldiers. They would have had the disciplined training similar to that of soldiers.
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Which, I think, is one reason many people tend to think, or write, that each member of the team has well above average intelligence. To be able to learn those concepts they were being taught so quickly (or early in life) but then, I guess if you keep practicing something it will become ingrained.
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Posted by amethyst on 28-04-2011 at 22:50:
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I just love how you phrased that!
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Posted by Becky Rock on 29-04-2011 at 00:49:
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That's why domestic disputes are the worst for the police. The guy can be beating the crap out of the woman, but the minute the police take down the guy, the woman is jumping on their backs like a wildcat, hitting them for trying to help her.
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Posted by Becky Rock on 29-04-2011 at 00:55:
I'm not big on slash, but I've read it, both Ken/Joe and Mark/Jason.
Like all of you, I haven't noticed anything in either series that gave any indication what so ever of a G1/G2 sexual relationship.
I don't mean to offend anyone, but I think there's a faction of gays that have to imply a gay situation exists everywhere. I think every fandom has someone implying it is some fashion.
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Posted by Becky Rock on 29-04-2011 at 00:57:
And that thought led me to the implication Joe/Jason is promiscuous. Again, there's nothing in either series to imply that, yet its all over the fandom.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 29-04-2011 at 01:54:
Well, if G2 is a player, his canon liaisons with enemy women become less bad luck and more chance.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 29-04-2011 at 02:36:
Or perhaps, that the enemy knows his weakness and preys upon it.
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Posted by amethyst on 29-04-2011 at 03:00:
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Would it surprise you to know that most slash [fanfiction] writers are heterosexual females (most fanfiction writers are female). This holds true for both m/m and f/f.
Please note that I a say most. No doubt there is at least one person (if not more) on this board that defies my generalization.
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Posted by Dragonsbain on 29-04-2011 at 15:19:
This is a great discussion. Where to start?
I suppose I should say that I'm from an Air Force family. My Dad is retired and my brother is now serving. So I was raised with that type of discipline. If we got my Dad annoyed he would make us make up our beds till we could get a quarter to bounce off of it.
My Dad was never much of a hugger. He has mellowed a lot since we were kids. Now he greets all four of us kids with a big hug and a kiss on the cheek. My Mom was like my Dad. She has mellowed out also.
As far as us Yankies, we seem to be a no-touch society. I think it goes back to the fact that the USA was founded by purtians. They were very prudish. That is a shame. When I was working with the boys, almost all of them were touch deprived. It was a big step if any of us could get them just to give us a hug or not flinch or jump when we gave them a pat on the back.
I do not know enough about the Japanese social culture of the late 60's - early 70's to comment on the social interactions between males. So I don't know if Ken and Jo's relationship was based on what the creators saw around them. I have an idea that the Science Ninja Team was a world unto itself.
Let's ponder a moment. These kids got close because they really couldn't talk about things to anyone else. Who else would understand what they were going through? Ken and Jo were so intertwined that calling them anything less that mirror images or soul mates would be an injustice. It is a shame that a lot of people have to put Ken and Jo into a sexual relationship, in order to understand the depth of their feelings for each other. That might be because the majority of people are repressed emotionally. Please correct me if I'm way off base on any of this.
Off to work I go. Have a great day everyone.
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Posted by amethyst on 29-04-2011 at 16:19:
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Cool! My dad did a couple of years in the Army and my uncle was Air Force. I have another uncle that was career Navy. Several cousins who served both Navy and Marines.
My brother is career Air Force. In fact, he just did what will likely be his last re-enlistment. He's been told its a promotion or retirement after this and he doesn't want the next job (he's in intelligence -- yeah, I love teasing him about that -- and evidently the next job he would have to take is at the Pentagon. I never asked the details, and my info may not be entirely accurate as it is second hand). He's currently out of Travis but doing a TDY in Spain. Where's your brother at? Maybe they've crossed paths along the way.
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Posted by clouddancer on 29-04-2011 at 21:24:
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I could see that. As a teacher of young children I dislike the way society (and our Union) keep telling us we need to be hands off children. I can understand in some ways why, the child could turn around and claim we are abusing them, but also see it from the other. I mostly see 4-6 year olds who still need a lot of reassurance, a hug or a pat on the back or even sitting in a lap while a book is read does wonders for making a connection with a child.
Dragonsbain, I would think working with children who have been abused (or even ones who are in prisons) would be very hard. I complain about the difficulties I have in my "inner city" school, but in my eyes you must have much more strength than I have.
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Posted by Becky Rock on 29-04-2011 at 22:33:
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Yes, actually that does surprise me. Although it would explain to excessive effemination (is that a word?) of at least one of the pair.
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Posted by amethyst on 30-04-2011 at 01:45:
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It also explains the focus on anal sex. Yes, it happens, but many gay men (regardless of their, um, position in the relationship) find it just as uncomfortable as women do. And I'm sorry but when the writer writes about one partner with a huge cock entering the anus of another and makes it sound blissful, you know the writer has not experienced it.
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Posted by gatchamarie on 30-04-2011 at 09:39:
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You've so hit the nail right on it's head, Amethyst!!
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Posted by gatchamarie on 30-04-2011 at 10:17:
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In my country's public schools there are some rules which are helping to control child abuse at such premises without being too much restrictive, thus leaving space for those signs of affection younger children need during their time spent at school!
Being a mother of two children in the age group you're mentioning, CD, that is a 5-year-old and a 6-year-old, I so concord with such rules which aren't so harsh, but which control such a situation since it's a sad truth that the problem does really exist! And, I think that they're working very well, especially in our type of community with a certain culture, and especially with my acknowledging the fact that my kids' respective teachers do play an important role of a second mother for them during the long six, stressful hours per day at school!
Teachers cannot accompany children to the rest-rooms by themselves ... they either leave them going there alone, when kids are able to do so, or they'd take the whole class at scheduled intervals, waiting for them, coming out one by one, at the entrance behind closed doors. In fact, schools always request that children have to be well potty trained before being written up at any of them! In the case of very small children, who can have many wet accidents, us parents are called to show up at school instantly, whenever such accidents could occur! (that's one thing why I know I've taken the right decision, from the very beginning, to quit work and be able to be always on call!) So, teachers cannot even change the children's clothes, not even if soiled with wet mud, excessive spillage of drinks, etc ... it's us parents who have to do the job!
It's also comforting for us parents to know that there'd be more than one adult person taking care of our children since teachers oftenly have helpers and LSAs by their side the whole time, so chances of abuse from one person are minimalised. This notwithstanding, at class our children aren't deprived of kisses and hugs from their teachers! In fact, my kids always come back home happy, and enthusiastic every day telling me how much kisses and hugs they would have received for their being good, or for their small or big daily achievements! And, I find this very rewarding, whilst resting my mind that the love we like to give our children at home continues to be given to them even elsewhere, especially at such an important place for them as school!
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