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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 31-05-2010 at 23:29:
Berg Katse, when he receives Borombo, looks particularly -- infernal -- in this episode. Totally evil.
Real world, the shape of the visors would interfere with their ability to see. Depending upon the angle that people viewed the team's faces, there could be enough distortion to make them difficult to identify.
What were the BotP scriptwriters thinking when they made Zark such a narcissist? Were they trying to make him accessible to the viewers? Eesh.
Nowadays, the episode (either version) would have a few references to computers and biometric data for identification.
Here's my question: why doesn't Nambu call on building security? Catch Borombo in the act.
(You know, in real world terms, Rumi would be really lucky to escape with nothing more than a few bruises....)
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 01-06-2010 at 00:45:
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My first thought is of the gull-wing doors from Strakers car in UFO, which makes me more of a 60s child.
Something I'm surprised no one has mentioned; how does the equipment erase the stolen data? Dr. Borombo says that the erasure method is like an audio tape erasing the recorded information (The reference to 8-track tapes is a ADV-ism and should be ignored along with the entire ADV dub), which would have been fine if they were using computer tape. Unfortunately, what we see is a hole-punched tape. How does the equipment fill in the punched holes? Also, why does Katse simply allow all of the stolen data be magically erased? Fine, he couldn't turn the machine off, but couldn't he have torn the tape from the equipment, and allowed Gallactor scientists to try to salvage the undamaged portion? Simply put, the erasure method makes no sense, and Katse is a bit of an idiot to le tit keep running, neither of which plays very well, especially coming back-to-back as they are.
Another part that always bothers me is the sequence in the elevator. Were the Ninja Team really in any great danger from the descending elevator? In case they hadn't noticed, there was a big hole in the bottom of the elevator car. If they'd waited at the bottom of the elevator shaft, they could have stood safely in the center of the shaft, and the car would have simply descended around them.
It's also fun to note that the music in the coffee shop is the Demon 5's Murder Music. I guess the band made it into a hit single after they were freed. That, or perhaps we should feel very sorry for the patrons of that establishment...
James
Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 01-06-2010 at 00:52:
UFO makes you a 70s child. Cool cars on that show. Interesting version of fighting the alien invaders. Yeah, I watched.
When it comes to Katse and the tape, I suppose the MST3K theme song should come to mind: 'Please repeat to yourself, "It's just a show", I should really just relax.' And recall that Gatch was intended for young children.
Nowadays, Borombo could set the device to instantly corrupt the data beyond salvage.
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 01-06-2010 at 01:02:
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Well, 1970 to be exact, meaning I had to be a kid before that to have seen it when it first aired.
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The same could be said for virtually every inconsistency that people on this list obsess about.
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Posted by Springie on 01-06-2010 at 01:41:
TJ...your episode review made my day! I always have a good laugh when I read your comments!
I think there are a lot of 70's children around here...
and LB...I love the idea of Nambu having to dress in the same clothes for the team!
James, I always thought the same thing about that elevator shaft...it's not like the elevator was going to crush them with that bag hole in it!
Don't you know that Jun's arms had to be aching after she had Ryu and Jinpei hanging onto her...it looked painful...I mean, just think about the cockroach episode where Ken had to hold Ryu up by himself while Joe shot his cable gun!
If he was in pain- and even dropped Ryu at the end...I can't imagine how Jun held up Ryu and Jinpei!!
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 01-06-2010 at 01:47:
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Well, it's not so much that she held them as they were hanging onto her.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 01-06-2010 at 02:24:
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Actually, I mentioned that in the BOTP part of my review:
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You know, when I was a little kid, I didn’t stop to think about how holes could be ‘repaired’ to make paper seem perfectly blank. But it did occur to me (and does now, as well) that Zoltar should just stop the device, extract what’s left of the tape and run it on another device. Simple, isn’t it?
But fortunately for the Federation, Zoltar doesn’t do that. He just watches as the tape continues to erase.
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But of course, that only means that I completely agree with you, James.
And I admit, I had no idea that was Murder Music in the background at the coffee shop! I clearly missed that! Now I have to go back and listen...
I also never thought about standing in the middle of the shaft for the elevator to drop around them, but you're right, it makes sense.
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Posted by lborgia88 on 03-06-2010 at 18:16:
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I've heard that it's a common depiction in Japan that the leader is all about duty, and the second-in-command is more likely to enjoy some romance (Captain Kirk must be glad Star Trek wasn't made in Japan), but I can't help but wonder if there were Ken/Jun shippers in Japan in the 70s, wishing he'd forget about *#!%@ duty, at least for a little while.
But, in terms of one-episode female characters, I guess requited romance presents a problem. You pretty much have to get rid of them by the end of the episode (and it would sure start to look grim if Ken's and Joe's love interests all died) or have it be implied that the male character is a flighty "love em and leave em" type of guy.
Posted by Transmute Jun on 03-06-2010 at 19:51:
To be fair, Jinpei left Maria because he didn't want to see her get hurt. Heart-breaking for him, to be sure, but she didn't come to a bad end, and neither was he depicted as callous.
If Star Trek had been made in Japan, Spock would have been Captain.
ETA: Yes, I'm being tongue in cheek.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 03-06-2010 at 22:03:
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Your tongue may be in your cheek, but it might be true.
I remember reading an interview with Leonard Nimoy in which he described a conversation with a Japanese fan (or something). Seems Spock as a character hits a different nerve in Japan than in America. He's considered more Japanese than Sulu (which Nimoy found strange, since George Takei's family ended up in one of those camps during WWII).
(As for episodic TV: in the days before story arcs or recurring characters, there was always a problem when an unmarried character had a romance. Since the love interest wasn't going to be in future episodes, the only way to keep the character from looking like a jerk was to make it impossible for them to stay together. Which is why many either didn't have sex lives, or had bad luck when they did.)
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Posted by lborgia88 on 05-06-2010 at 04:29:
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Good point. Circumstances beyond their control (as long as Jinpei's a Science Ninja he'll endanger those around him) keeping them from being together -that works too.
Spock as Captain... So Ken would be Spock, and Joe would be the second-in-command Kirk. I can see Ryu as Scotty somehow, and then Jun would have to be Uhura (hey, Jun's used to wearing a short skirt) and Jinpei's closest equivalent, I guess, would be Chekov.
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Very interesting!
Posted by gatchamarie on 05-06-2010 at 07:27:
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I find that such circumstance still prevails in almost each anime or movie which have a heroic character in them, being anime/movies from older times and even modern ones. It's depicted as a kind of sacrifice a hero has to endure in order to fulfill his/her mission without hurting the ones he/she loves ... maybe, here, the physical aspect is safeguarded, but, emotionally, it's a fact that everyone hurts the same, the hero knowing the extent of his/her loss in doing so, and regretting the situation every instant, and the others not knowing why they're being pushed away, feeling as if they have done something wrong or that their love is not reciprocated. Sometimes the hero also ends up being hated by his/her beloved, and sometimes so many wrong choices are made because of the incumbent secrets, by both sides. It's really quite interesting how many emotional aspects can be studied from such a situation, and such happen also in RL ... and I think I'd better stop here!
One modern series that's popping into my mind right now regarding the subject is "Kyle XY" ... a series which I've been stuck to since the beginning, and which I so wish it could continue even if there seem to be very low hopes! To those who have watched the series I'm talking about the relationship between Kyle and Amanda. And, speaking of which, going as usual out of the subject, I find the gorgeous Matt Dallas's blue eyes so similar to those of Ken's! Maybe, they could have been a bit bigger in order to associate them with the Eagle's, but, together with those, his innocent look and boyscout behaviour in "Kyle XY" shouts out that to me!
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Posted by lborgia88 on 05-06-2010 at 17:44:
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I've not seen "Kyle XY" but I looked up Matt Dallas. I can see why he reminds you of Ken, especially if the character he plays is similar in personality. I take it that this Kyle is attracted to Amanda, but feels he will endanger her if he gets close to her?
I guess that Ken doesn't have this sort of problem vis a vis Jun, as she's already a Science Ninja and therefore already leading a dangerous life. But, I imagine he might feel that having a relationship with her would distract him from duty, possibly compromise his leadership ability (ie. cause him to make bad tactical decisions out of concern for her) and indirectly, further endanger her and the other Ninjas.
Posted by gatchamarie on 05-06-2010 at 18:59:
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The character is similar because, apart from the looks, he's a person who always follows the rules by the book and he's very charismatic. Actually, Kyle has a more gentler character than Ken and he always puts others' needs before his.
Just a short insight ... the story of "Kyle XY" is quite complex to explain if you did not have the chance to watch if from the beginning ... he had been kept, as an experiment, in an incubator pod since his birth for sixteen years and, hence, matured into a kind of bio-computer ... he was actually a genious. When he managed to escape he found himself in a new world with the eyes of an infant. Each day that passed he had to learn all new things concerning normal human behaviour from the very beginning ... he also had to fight amnesia due to the trauma incurred when he had been released. But he managed to learn at a very fast rate due to his natural, high IQ. As time passed, he recovered most of his memories and he realised that with his "powers" he could, and he must, have helped those in need ... and fight against the laboratory that wanted to make more clones like himself, deeming him as a clear definition of perfection.
Amanda was his soul-mate from the very beginning but she was a very kind, naive and feeble girl ... at least, at first sight! Due to the organisation that always followed his every action, and that wanted him for his genious mind, Kyle opted to not tell Amanda the truth to protect her, even if the last thing he wanted in the world was to hurt her ... hurting people was really not his nature. She had her suspicions, though, and even if, at first, this mystery was the cause of keeping them apart, at the end, she started to realise his true purpose and started searching for the truth.
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Jun wasn't a feeble girl ... she was a warrior like himself and Ken knew she was capable of fending for herself. But, deep down, I always like to think that he was even afraid that he could have lost her ... if not as an intimate partner, as a member of his team. The two episodes that mostly showed this aspect, for me, that is that he cared a lot about her, were that of the Jigokillers in Gatchaman and episode 47 in Gatch F in which he specifically called out her name out loud when they were in dire straits apart from the others'. And I agree with you that the main reason of his pushing her away was that of him not wanting to be distracted from his role as a commander and from his mission. It must have been a sacrifice for both.
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