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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 24-05-2010 at 19:21:
They might enjoy having some fun with their chosen field. Doctors and other experts have taken some time out to analyze fictional or past events and come up with some interesting interpretations. (And if they're wrong, nobody gets hurt.)
I have, somewhere, a doctor's diagnosis of Edgar Allan Poe's last days. After looking at the symptoms, he concluded rabies. Not as 'romantic' as alcoholism, but also rescues Poe from the 'degenerate drunk' stereotype that has dogged him since Griswold turned on him.
Retired FBI profiler John Douglas got involved with a Jack the Ripper TV special. Too bad, so sad for the 'Prince Jack' or 'John Druitt' crowd: he pegged Pedachenko, or a very similar sort of loser, for the Ripper.
And someone concluded that the preacher in The Scarlet Letter was actually murdered by Chillingworth.
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Posted by amethyst on 24-05-2010 at 19:35:
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I read that somewhere, and it is extremely plausible, from Chillingworth's time with the Native Americans and his knowledge as a physician. He would have no trouble slowing poisoning the man and no one suspecting.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 24-05-2010 at 21:01:
Except there's no real evidence for that aside from modern discontent with the old style 'Mysterious Retribution Death' of early fiction.
Chillingworth was a ratbastard anyway, and the reverend wasn't such a great guy, either. Hester and Pearl are the ones who have my sympathy.
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Posted by amethyst on 24-05-2010 at 21:10:
Dimsdale's biggest sin was keeping quiet. As for Hester, I'm not sure that she was all that sympathetic, either. The only true victim was Pearl and the governor's sister who was accused of witchcraft.
As for textual evidence, I'd have to reread, but Chillingworth was acting as Dimsdale's physician and Demsdale did begin to get strange wounds on his chest shortly thereafter. Since his physician *could not have been poisoning him* it had to be guilt. I'd really have to reread to see if there are any details as to what Chillingworth may have prescribed.
On a side note, don't you just love the Dickensian names: Dimsdale, Chillingworth, Prynn (sp?); although the middle one was one the character "assumed".
Oops, I think we've hijacked the thread and taken it OT.
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Posted by nuni on 24-05-2010 at 21:25:
I think one plausible medical explanation for Joe's future demise could be a cerebral aneurysm. Basically, it is when a blood vessel in the brain becomes weakened and enlarges due to normal blood flow. Eventually, this weakened area may burst, causing bleeding into the brain tissue. The combination of the excess pressure in the cranium and the blood itself can cause irreversible brain damage and eventually death, if not treated quickly.
Cerebral aneurysms can be congenital (meaning that you are born with it) or the result of a previous head trauma. Small ones can be relatively assymptomatic, save for the occasional headaches. Larger ones, or ones that grow larger over time, can cause symptoms such as headaches, severe nausea leading to vomitting, dizziness and even loss of consciousness - all things that Joe suffered towards the end. Stress and high blood pressure can exacerbate aneurysms and can cause them to rupture suddenly.
Anerysms are scary things because its symptoms can often be similar to so many other less dangerous things. In this way, people can miss some important warning signs. Or in Joe's case, they can purposely brush them off. Diffinitive diagnosis is usually done using a CT scan or anteriogram, which is an X-ray of blood vessels using radioactive dyes. Given Joe's symptoms, those would be some of the first tests a neurologist would consider. However, unlike in the Gatchaman world, these days having an aneurysm does not automatically lead to rupture or death. There are lots of treatment that allow people to live very normal lives. In Joe's case, perhaps there would have been a restriction on his activities, which is of course what he feared the most. Perhaps that's what the doctors told him and he chose to "finish the job" rather than get treament. Poor Joe!
Posted by amethyst on 24-05-2010 at 21:34:
Thanks Nuni! I think that was mentioned as one of the possible causes in one of the essays the UW mentioned, but you did an excellent job of putting it down clearly and succintly for us.
I think Jane Lebak uses the annueryism idea in her Scavengers series to explain the issues that Jason has because they are evident but glossed over in BotP.
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Posted by Springie on 24-05-2010 at 22:11:
Terrific episode and terrific writeup and screen caps, LB and Saturn! I have to admit, I usually don't like episodes that don't have all of the team members in the ep, but this one is so interesting and informative! It's heart-warming to see the guys doing some male bonding (and no, not in the yaoi sense!) Although I would've loved to have seen what would happen if Jun got the chance to be alone with Ken for all that time! 
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 25-05-2010 at 02:23:
Ken and Jun in the Marine Satan:
Several hours of awkward silence, punctuated with awkward moments of conversation.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 25-05-2010 at 02:38:
It wasn't so awkward for them when they were alone together when the Crescent Base was being flooded...
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Posted by lborgia88 on 25-05-2010 at 03:06:
It would be interesting to reimagine Joe's storyline with him replaced by Jun -ie. she's the one whose parents were killed by Galactor, then she learns they belonged to Galactor, then she develops the health problems, learns she's only got 10 days to live...
She's not the same as Joe, so it would probably work out differently.
Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 25-05-2010 at 08:59:
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I'm sure there's a trope name for that. Whenever there's some sort of disaster that traps two people, some manner of heart-to-heart interaction results. (Funniest version: on an episode of Babylon 5, Londo and G'Kar got trapped in an elevator. Londo wanted to do the whole 'We have to work together to escape.' G'Kar was having none of it. See, his people would suffer if he outright killed Londo, but if they both died in the elevator.... At the end of the episode, when they realize they're going to live, they trade gripes about being on B5.)
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 25-05-2010 at 13:22:
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You're right. She would tell the Team and have herself taken off, no matter how much that devastated her personally. She isn't as secretive by nature, she wears her emotions on her face, and she isn't as driven by revenge as Joe, and all of these would have her going to Dr. Nambu and asking for help.
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Posted by gatchamarie on 25-05-2010 at 17:09:
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I have the same opinion!
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Posted by lborgia88 on 26-05-2010 at 17:03:
Hmmm, I could believe she might, at first, hide her symptoms if she believed that the rest of the Team needed her and was really counting on her, or if she thought she was sparing them from worrying and being anxious. But as soon as it was apparent that something was really wrong with her, and that she was a liability to the Team, I agree she'd tell them.
It's still interesting though to imagine the Karakoram scene with Jun being the one lying on the grass dying. I wonder what she'd say to Ken or he to her.
Posted by Transmute Jun on 26-05-2010 at 17:57:
Now that would be an interesting scene....
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Posted by gatchamarie on 26-05-2010 at 18:20:
... and even a more heartbreaking one!
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 26-05-2010 at 22:40:
And the entire team would be moving Heaven and Earth for her. Galactor gets in the way -- big hole in the ground.
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Posted by lborgia88 on 27-05-2010 at 12:32:
If the Jigokillers episode is any hint (one time when Jun did take off on her own and everyone thought she'd died), Ken would be a serious mess.
In fact, in ep 105 he was all ready to climb inside the "black hole" machinery -probably suicidally- to try to stop it and it was Jun who was able to talk him out of it. If she'd been the one dying outside and Joe was with Ken, maybe he'd have done it.
Posted by Transmute Jun on 27-05-2010 at 13:20:
I think Joe would have pushed Ken aside and and tried to go into the machinery in his stead. If they'd talked though, I think Joe would have let Ken go.
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Posted by Madilayn on 27-05-2010 at 15:11:
I can sort of understand why Joe didn't go to Nambu - after all he was put through Nambu's great idea of a centrifuge to remove shrapnel from his brain....
Probably thinking god knows what he'd do if I went to him with this problem!
As for if Jun was the one dying - I think that yes, Ken would be a serious mess - in fact the whole team would be.
But then again, I don't think that she would take the same action as Joe and deliberately go on a death mission just because she was about to die.
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