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Posted by Transmute Jun on 20-10-2009 at 00:31:
I agree, seeing Ken's background is interesting, and adds more dimension to his character. As to where his Mom was... she was probably doing her 'face shaded in darkness'; makeup. 
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 20-10-2009 at 03:09:
Hi all!
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That is the likely scenario. When peaks of Planet Odin was being produced, they probably had no idea that they'd be doing Sky is Falling, and didn't want to get into the entire "Cronus is Mark's father" aspect of this now-stand alone story.
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No, there are no other references to his wife and Timmy.
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Honestly, I chalk this up more to poor writing than a logical decision by the character. It was the end of the episode, and the first of a 3-part story, but they didn't have the really strong hook to draw viewers back that they have in Part II. So, they threw Nambu's comment in to help build anticipation for the next episode, even though his doing so makes little sense.
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I do wonder if Ken's dreams of this event should be taken so literally. Yes, Kentaro dunked him underwater, but did he really hold him under for as long as it seems? Part of the point of the scene was that Ken couldn't remember what his father looked like, resulting in the long, lingering underwater shot of his shadow-faced father, but is this really meant to be a real-time demonstration of these past events? I'm not saying that they aren't, only that it is possible that they aren't supposed to be. Regardless, it's hard to watch these scenes and not wonder about young Ken's lung capacity...
Anyway, a Japanese fan did a cartoon based on this scene that I figured you might enjoy. So, here it is, conveniently translated for your English-language perusal.
James
Posted by amethyst on 20-10-2009 at 03:10:
Great review, TJ. I think you mentioned somewhere in here how the BotP episode viewing order differs from Gatchaman. The only episode orders I can find for BotP are the ones that coincide with the Gatch order. Do you have or can you recommend a place to find the viewing order or the original airing order?
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Posted by gatchamarie on 20-10-2009 at 06:54:
Thanks for that cartoon, James!
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Posted by Springie on 20-10-2009 at 08:59:
Teeehee...so *that's* why RI left! Too funny! Thanks for sharing that cartoon, James!
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Posted by nuni on 20-10-2009 at 11:40:
James you're a fount of knowledge. Thanks for sharing.
And once again, what a great episode summary. I'm really enjoying starting my Mondays with a little Gatchaman fun.
Posted by clouddancer on 20-10-2009 at 12:02:
James, thanks for sharing the cartoon. I like that comment you made about that image of Ken looking up at his father from underwater is a memory from Ken's POV so it probably appears to be longer that really did occur.
When a person wants to focus on a specific point you can draw it out in your memory, or at least I do. 
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 20-10-2009 at 12:14:
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I'm not sure where to find it online... I know it's out there, but I'll have to look. I got the order from the Jason Hofius book.
G-Force Animated
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 20-10-2009 at 14:13:
I found the viewing order by going to Wikipedia and typing in 'Battle of the Planets' and then following some links. You'll get to a site that shows the viewing order of the DVD set (which is the wrong order), followed by the Sandy Frank ordering, and then a couple of other orderings for other countries.
I also went and typed out that list, along with the accompanying 'Gatch' episodes.
They did not intend it, but the BOTP writers tossed in plenty of fic fuel.
Head on over to Veoh, try not to look at Zark (but you do have to listen to him/it 
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 20-10-2009 at 17:45:
Hi all!
To make things a little easier, here's a copy of the "Sandy Frank" order for the series. This is essentially the production order for episodes of Battle of the Planets, and is a good way to view them is you want to see how the series progressed as it was being made.
It should also be remembered that Sandy Frank produced several different suggested order lists. When Jason was going through the paperwork from Sandy Frank's archives, he came across numerous partial viewing order lists that, while often similar, did not exactly match up with each other. This list was the only one what was a complete list of all 85 episodes, so that was the one he went with.
1- ATTACK OF THE SPACE TERRAPIN
2- SIEGE OF THE SQUIDS
3- DECOYS OF DOOM
4- MAD NEW RULER OF SPECTRA
5- PERIL OF THE PREYING MANTIS
6- GIANT FROM PLANET ZYR
7- THE THING WITH 1,000 EYES
8- FASTEST GUN IN THE GALAXY
9- PANIC OF THE PEACOCK
10- RAID OF THE SPACE OCTOPUS
11- THE SPACE ROCK CONCERT
12- MAMMOTH SHARK MENACE
13- THE FIERY LAVE GIANT
14- RACE AGAINST DISASTER
15- A WHALE JOINS G-FORCE
16- RESCUE OF THE ASTRONAUTS
17- BIG ROBOT GOLD GRAB
18- THE MUSICAL MUMMY
19- ATTACK OF THE ALIEN WASP
20- SPACE SAFARI
21- RAID ON A NEARBY PLANET
22- THE GHOSTLY GRASSHOPPER
23- SPACE ROCKET ESCORT
24- MUSEUM OF MYSTERY
25- SILENT CITY
26- MICROFILM MYSTERY
27- MISSION TO INNER SPACE
28- A SWARM OF ROBOT ANTS
29- CUPID DOES IT TO KEYOP
30- RAID OF THE RED SCORPION
31- SPECTRA SPACE SPIDER
32- BEAST WITH A SWEET TOOTH
33- RAID ON RIGA
34- PRISONERS IN SPACE
35- CAPTURE OF THE GALAXY CODE
36- ORION, WONDERDOG OF SPACE
37- SECRET ISLAND
38- THE JUPITER MOON MENACE
39- SEALS OF SYTRON
40- GHOST SHIP OF PLANET MIR
41- THE ALIEN BIG FOOT
42- SUPER SPACE SPIES
43- VACATION ON VENUS
44- KEYOP DOES IT ALL
45- DEMONS OF THE DESERT
46- THE SPACE SERPENT
47- ROCKETS OUT OF CONTROL
48- THE SPACE MUMMY
49- THE SEA DRAGON
50- PERILOUS PLEASURE CRUISE
51- G-FORCE IN THE FUTURE
52- THE AWESOME ARMADILLO
53- TENTACLES FROM SPACE
54- ACE FROM OUTER SPACE
55- GIANT SPACE BAT
56- THE GREAT BRAIN ROBBERY
57- GIANT GILA MONSTER
58- THE DUPLICATE KING
59- CURSE OF THE CUTTLEFISH, PART I
60- CURSE OF THE CUTTLEFISH, PART II
61- PERIL IN THE PYRAMIDS
62- SAVE THE SPACE COLONY
63- ZOLTAR STRIKES OUT
64- MAGNETIC ATTRACTION
65- PEAKS OF PLANET ODIN
66- G-FORCE DEFECTOR
67- INVASION OF THE LOCUSTS
68- VICTIMS OF THE HAWK
69- ISLAND OF FEAR
70- STRIKE AT SPECTRA
71- THE GALAXY GIRLS
72- CONWAY TAPE TAP
73- THE AWESOME RAY FORCE
74- THE FEARFUL SEA ANEMONE
75- THE ALIEN BEETLES
76- DEFECTOR TO SPECTRA
77- THE BAT-RAY BOMBERS
78- RAGE OF THE ROBOTOIDS
79- THE SKY IS FALLING! PART I
80- THE SKY IS FALLING! PART II
81- THE FIERCE FLOWERS, PART I
82- THE FIERCE FLOWERS, PART II
83- CHARIOTEERS OF CHANGU
84- INVASION OF SPACE CENTER, PART I
85- INVASION OF SPACE CENTER, PART II
James
Posted by Transmute Jun on 20-10-2009 at 18:34:
Thank you, James!!!! 
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Posted by amethyst on 20-10-2009 at 18:46:
Yes thank you!
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 24-10-2009 at 13:51:
The Cata-roller is a Galactor mecha based upon a device that has appeared in fiction before. A giant, armed and armored wheel that mows down everything around it made its appearance in pulp fiction, and has been proposed in speculations about future military vehicles. Those versions don't fly, or have grabber arms, though.
If anyone is interested, I spent far too much time making up a list of BOTP episodes (in order), with their corresponding Gatch episodes, AND the numbers of the DVD/Veoh order. So, if you're stuck at home for whatever reason, and your Internet connection is in order, you can see what's going on.
(I've already had to redo a couple of parts of my crossover, but not the plot-essential bits. I like the idea of Cronus shaking some sense into Mark's head. He didn't pound him the way RI did in the original.)
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 24-10-2009 at 16:38:
That sounds like a great resource, UW!
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 25-10-2009 at 12:55:
Ask, and I shall provide.
Uhm, how can I get it here, without retyping the whole darn thing over again?
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Posted by clouddancer on 25-10-2009 at 13:07:
can't you just cut and paste it into a response box?
Or maybe what you have is longer than I imagine it to be.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 25-10-2009 at 16:15:
Yes, you should be able to copy and paste. If for some reason that doesn't work, you could take a screenshot of it and then upload the image to Photobucket and post here.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 25-10-2009 at 21:25:
Me dumbass. How make screenshot and put on Photobucket?
Well, as you may have noticed, I was successful with the copy and paste.
Okay, there's a cute smiley, and I want to use it, so here goes: 
Happy Halloween.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 25-10-2009 at 23:46:
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Making a screenshot depends on what type of computer and software you have available.
As for Photobucket, you can open up a free account, and upload jpgs gifs. Once you do, it will host the images, and even provide you with html and message board [IMG] tags in case you want to copy and paste the links.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 27-04-2010 at 14:36:
Back to Gatch ordering. Until I get to the BotP ep?
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