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Posted by gogirl212 on 07-04-2009 at 05:23:
In watching the two eps back to back I definitely noticed more of a "Pollyanna" type spin on things in BotP then I remembered as a kid. Yes, much of that was due to the "robots" and "androids" and "drones" that got destroyed - and the part where everyone recovers from their injuries. But also the lightheartedness in the banter and the optimism in their voices seemed more extreme to me.
I do agree that in gatch there is definitely a lightness to this first episode that dissipates as the war gets more intense in later eps and as they start to have more challenging personal circustances (ken/red impulse drama, joe's dying girlfriends and illness, jun and koji, etc). I don't remember if BotP gets more angst ridden and darker as it progresses so I'm interested in rediscovering that.
You all did such great work putting this together! Thank you thank you thank you!
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Posted by veritas on 07-04-2009 at 06:50:
well, thres nothing I can add except to say well done all round. I'm liking the stats/ bloopers.
There was one thing I was looking for the other day and that was a time line. Not for the production of the series but for stories of all 3 series.
Posted by saturn on 07-04-2009 at 07:35:
Well done, TJ!Great screencaps& summary. Also a big thanks to Springie for the stats/bloopers, 
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 07-04-2009 at 09:01:
Did you see the REAL smoke they used that screne shot of the flames etc after they turned into firebird mode!!! Cool...
Joe's face was a little different in the early eps I noticed. His face wasn't as detailed as it became later on, and bit harder...do think its because he didn't have as strong a role in the ep???
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Posted by shamrokchick on 07-04-2009 at 12:43:
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I would have to say that's the most noticeable thing to me is how their faces are drawn. They seem to change a lot as the series progresses.
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Posted by SJ_SwanJun on 07-04-2009 at 12:51:
A noticeable difference in the first episode of BotP is the different voice of Jason.
I cannot find any reference to the original voice of Jason.
Ronnie Schell took over in Eppy 2 ... That much I know...
Anyone (maybe James) know who was the original Jason?
SJ
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 07-04-2009 at 13:00:
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 07-04-2009 at 13:01:
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Ummm.... I think it's in the Jason Hofius book, but I'm at work and don't have access to it...
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 07-04-2009 at 13:02:
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And if you compare this to gatchaman II or Gatchaman F, they definitely look *younger* here.I also noticed that Joe's face especially didn't look as 'hard' as I am used to.
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Posted by Condorfan on 07-04-2009 at 17:07:
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ITA. That thumping beat was annoying but worth it to see more fighting from the Condor.
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 07-04-2009 at 17:18:
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In "Attack of the Space Terrapin," Jason's voice was likely done by either Alan Oppenheimer of David Joliffe, who were the two male voices listed in the credits that did not appear in the regular run of the series. It is unknown which of these two men provided the voice, and why the change was made when the series went into full production. Both Joliffe and Oppenheimer did provide some of the guest cast voices during the series, but perhaps whichever of them did Jason's voice was unavailable on a regular enough basis to do Jaosn's role in the series.
You should also note that, while Ronnie Schell didn't do Jason's voice, he did have a part in the pilot -- doing the voice of Tiny.
James
Posted by SJ_SwanJun on 07-04-2009 at 17:42:
Thank you as always, James ... I knew you'd come through with the info.
It's surprising that noone knows who actually voiced the original Jason. You'd think someone would jump up and say "pick me! pick me!"
So Ronnie Schell did Tiny's voice, too??
I did not know that.
SJ
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Posted by shamrokchick on 07-04-2009 at 23:06:
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I think Joe's face in this first ep looks a lot like Kens lol.
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Posted by clouddancer on 07-04-2009 at 23:37:
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And making a connection - I wonder if this is why that image we saw of Joe from Imagi looks so "soft" and more like Ken. Maybe the people making the movie are basing Joe on the first few episodes. Or feel that he gets more rugged and harsh AS he ages and sees more death around him.
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Posted by Condorfan on 07-04-2009 at 23:47:
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Thanks James! I wasn't sure if was the sound quality or not but I thought the voice of Tiny sounded different in episode 1 than the rest of the series.
P.S. Springie you forgot one thing in your stats--"Panty Flashes"!
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Posted by Reboekah on 08-04-2009 at 01:27:
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Near as those of us "Ole' Timers" in Bird Scramble have been able to determine (thanks in large part to St. James) - the Gatchaman timeline is roughly "real time" as the majority of the episodes are "one week" apart. If I recall correctly, this is because the planning notes (particularly for the key episodes - 1, 52, 103ish, Gatch II ep 1, Gatch Fighter ep 1) referenced approximate ages.
St. James can certainly correct my memory notes!
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Posted by Springie on 08-04-2009 at 01:59:
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Haha...I thought about that, but there were so many, I couldn't keep count!!
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 08-04-2009 at 02:11:
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Yes, the events of the three series happened in roughly real-time. We know this from a few time-related references in the series, such as episode #44 taking place 10 months after Katse became the leader of Gallactor, and airing 10 months after the start of the series. In episode #99, Katse says that it had been 1 year, 10 months since they began their attempt at world conquest, and aired 1 year and 10 months after the series began.
The time period between the first and second series is a little trickier, as Gatchaman II has no time references regarding this. The earliest known Planning Establishment for Gatchaman II states that it was been 2 years since the first series ended, though the final version of the Planning Establishment states only that it has been "several years" since the first series ended.
The only on-air reference to the passage of time between the two series came in episode #10 of the Gatchaman radio drama, which again stated the elapsed time as being 2 years. Because of this, it is generally accepted by fans on both sides of the Pacific that 2 years passed between the series.
In Gatchaman II, we know that the series took place ove rthe course of 1 year because episode #50 references the 1 year anniversary of sinking of the cruise ship from episode #1, which aired 51 weeks earlier (There was a rerun of episode #28 between episode #46 and 47, hence the 51 weeks instead of 50. This was the only time during the run of all three Gatchaman series that a rerun was aired).
Gatchaman Fighter doesn't have time references that I'm aware of, but it's fairly safe to assume that the pattern from the previous two series would have remained intact in the thirs series.
I hope this helps!
James
Posted by Becky Rock on 16-11-2009 at 00:46:
I haven't read through these yet, so I've just started.
Its fun to read everyone's observations and insights.
There were two things that confounded me in this episode in the BotP version. One was when Jason said he wanted to shoot the lasers at the Terrapin and Zark said he'd failed the first two times. First, I wasn't aware of the Phoenix having lasers and two, what other times? It made it sound as thought the Terrapin was actually the third attack. I believe Catherine did a fic about the 'real' first episode.
Second, the fact the team had to stay in the Firebird mode for 24 hours. That seems to have been a one time only occurence. I think that would be a good thing.
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Posted by clouddancer on 16-11-2009 at 01:31:
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Doesn't Zark say something about this being the third time Spectra has invaded (attacked) Earth? Making this G-Forces third mission (on Earth anyways) one would assume.
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