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Posted by shamrokchick on 05-02-2009 at 17:37:

I've never come accross this either, but interesting...

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Posted by gatchgirl on 06-02-2009 at 03:48:

I don't think I had seen anything on this before either.

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Posted by Barrdwing on 11-02-2009 at 05:02:

Oh, Heroes del Espacio! Mother of pearl, that one is a real lulu! It's like Gatch on serious drugs. smoke

Posted by Condorfan on 14-02-2009 at 17:42:

Would "Time Bokan" count as a Gatchaman spinoff?

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Posted by Transmute Jun on 14-02-2009 at 20:30:

Depends on your definition! It was done by Tatsunoko, so it is somewhat more 'legit'. Wink

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Posted by tatsunokofan on 14-02-2009 at 22:49:

Hi all!

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Depends on your definition! It was done by Tatsunoko, so it is somewhat more 'legit'.

Well, if you want to exclude all the productions in which Tatsunoko had a hand, then you'll have to remove Gatchapin, Tatsunoko Baby, the NTT commercials, Komugi, and Yatterman as well. The studio was involved in some capacity with all of those.

Actually, by the common usage of the term "spinoff," none of them would apply. A spinoff is usually when you take one or more characters fom an existing program and create a whole new series around them, like "The Jeffersons" coming from "All in the Family," "Good Times" coming from "Maude," and both "Rhoda" and "Phyllis" coming from "The Mary Tyler Moore Show." Heck, the "Nurse Witch Komugi-chan" OAVs are even a spinoff from "The Soultaker" TV series.

"Gatchaman II" and "Gatchaman Fighter" would be considered sequels, not spinoffs, since them continued directly from the original series. Most of the productions mentioned in this thread would be remakes (Like the NTT spots), a tribute/homage (Like the "Yatterman" and "Time Bokan"guest appearances), or parodies (Like "Nurse Witch Komugi-chan"). Heroes del Espacio" would probably be considered a forgery, plagiarism, or just plain theft.

James

Posted by shamrokchick on 15-02-2009 at 05:21:

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Originally posted by tatsunokofan
Heroes del Espacio" would probably be considered a forgery, plagiarism, or just plain theft.

James

Definitely some copyright infringement Wink

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Posted by yul on 18-02-2009 at 20:24:

Gatchaman costumes in episode 22 of "J-Decker Brave Police" - http://diary.ru/~Gatchaman/p61867906.htm#

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Posted by Transmute Jun on 18-02-2009 at 20:55:

That's cool! Thanks for posting, Yul!

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Posted by Springie on 18-02-2009 at 20:58:

Oh wow...Yul, I hadn't heard of that series before, but it looks like Transformers...

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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 18-02-2009 at 22:48:

I like the feathers instead of the little antenna...

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Posted by shamrokchick on 19-02-2009 at 20:09:

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Originally posted by Springie
Oh wow...Yul, I hadn't heard of that series before, but it looks like Transformers...

I was thinking the same thing...

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Posted by Cain Highwind on 20-02-2009 at 04:18:

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Originally posted by shamrokchick

quote:

Originally posted by Springie
Oh wow...Yul, I hadn't heard of that series before, but it looks like Transformers...

I was thinking the same thing...

Me too, I have never heard of this series before...

Posted by tatsunokofan on 20-02-2009 at 04:50:

Hi all!

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Oh wow...Yul, I hadn't heard of that series before, but it looks like Transformers...

There's a reason for this, as this will help explain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_series

Not that I'd normally recommend Wikipedia as a source for information, but what they have here is essentially correct...

James

Posted by minerboh on 09-05-2011 at 17:01:

WOW! Looks interesting!
Anyone know where i can find Gatchapin & Megas SLR S-Force for download or buy?

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Posted by amethyst on 09-05-2011 at 19:26:

I'd just google what you are looking for adding download and see what comes up. I've found almost all of the comics that way.

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Posted by Transmute Jun on 09-05-2011 at 19:45:

Minerboh, often the Megas XLR episodes come up on Youtube. You can also find Gatchapin clips there too. As for a more regular viewing of Gatchapin, the episodes are posted on Tatsunoko's website. There are instructions on how to view them here:

http://www.gatchamania.net/thread.php?threadid=2311&sid=

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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 09-05-2011 at 21:36:

No pics!!!

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Originally posted by tatsunokofan
Hi all!

The only place I've seen screengrabs from Heroes del Espacio is in the photos section of the Yahoo! Groups Gatchaman Club site, originally posted back in March of 2002. Here are those images, along with the captions that went with them:

Marco with his Dad, and falling underwater

Marco is force-grown by X

A shot of X, and the exterior of his base.

The Snack "Yumi?!?"

The Ninja Team watches some TV

Jinpei Pan...

Dr. Pandora tries to kill X.

Gel Sadra/Marco finds out the truth about himself.

Marco tries to kill X.

The Ninja Team finally kill X.

The Ninja Team is victorious.

The video contains some footage that appeared in Gatchaman II, but most of it is original to this production. Visually, there are numerous points of similiarity to Gatchaman II, but many of them are slightly askew to what we're used to. The biggest, of course, is that Gel Sadra is now a young boy named Marco. Other changes are less obvious, like Pandroa wearing a low-cut version (Particularly in the back) of her standard dress, colored in reds instead of blues.

Much of the stories condensed into these videos follow similar territory to their Gatchaman II counterparts, but with unusual changes. these changes include Gel Sadra attacking X with the Iron Demon Dragon from Gatchaman II #38 and the Ninja Team defeating X by using the Tornado Fighter. Then there's stuff that you really wouldn't expect, like the fantasy sequence with Jinpei dreaming he's Peter Pan and the little girl from Gatchaman II #6 is his Wendy, and a redoing of the scene in the Snack Jun from Gatchaman #67, where the Ninja Team beats up the jerks who are badmouthing them.

All I know is that, after the first time I watched this, all the switching back and forth between what was familiar and what wasn't made my brain hurt.

The known facts regarding Heroes del Espacio are few, but here's what we have. The visuals were made at some point by a Korean studio. This is evidenced by the sporadic appearance of Korean text in the course of things, and by a few frames with Korean text that appear at poorly done edit points, such as these:

These visuals were brought over to Spain, where they were dubbed into Spanish and released on at least 2 bargain videotapes, the covers of which looked like this:

Tatsunoko was not directly involved in the production, and was unaware of its existence until they were provided with copies of the material around 2001 or 2002.

Beyond that, all we've got to go on is speculation, and this part should be treated as such.

It is assumed that the studio that produced the visuals is the same Korean studio that Tatsunoko farmed out some of their production work to. This assumption was made because that studio would have had access to the production materials used in making Gatchaman II, and could easily have dug them out to make this. This was the same supposition that Tatsunoko made when they saw the videos.

It is possible that this was taken from a new version of Eagle 5 Brothers. Eagle 5 Brothers was the Korean title for the original Gatchaman series when it aired there in the 1970s. In the mid-1990s, there was a sudden wave of Eagle 5 Brothers merchandise that appeared in Korean stores, much of it with listings for the network that was airing the series, all of which seems to indicate that the series was on the air in some fashion. As all of that merchandise was based on Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter, it seems reasonable that the series airing at that time was not the first series. As no videos from that broadcast of Eagle 5 Brothers have surfaced, it's currently impossible to tell whether that series was actually Gatchaman II, if it was this new material, or if it was a rerun of the original series. That the Heroes del Espacio videos appeared in Spain within a couple of years of this Korean Eagle 5 Brothers surge adds to the suspicion that a newly created Korean series was the source for this material.

We know that there were two videotapes worth of material dubbed into Spanish, but that doesn't mean that this is all that was made. Were these condensed from a TV series that aired in Spain? If so, how many episodes were there? The two known videotapes are labeled 1 and 2, but were there any others? They wrap up the story at the end of volume 2, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have released more.

We may never know all the facts relating to Heroes del Espacio, but I think it's safe to say that, on the Gatchaman family tree, it'll always remain that weird cousin that no one wants to invite over for the holidays.

James

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