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Posted by Springie on 11-01-2008 at 23:17:
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Weee! I don't give a damn!Ah well I guess the jerk doen't like Ego! 
Well, looks like we're in the zero club together, baybee! I would really love to know who is doing it...wonder if they even draw at all?
Aelia,thanks for the compliment!
Cricket, I was thinking when I started my rant that you all would understand how I felt, esp. with fanfics...it's hard to put alot of work into something and get slammed, isn't it? And you were critiqued on a critique? There are some crazy peeps out there...
TJ! Buddy! Good to see you! I knew your feathers would be ruffled...lol...
missyou!
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Posted by Springie on 11-01-2008 at 23:18:
Hey Amy, I just went back to that site to look, and I don't see your pics there...are you talking about a different site?
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 12-01-2008 at 00:51:
Springie what irritated me the most about the rating(other than the fact that it totally wrong...I love your pics) is that they didn't have the guts to say why they were ranking you that low and put their name to it...
I think it could someone who's jealous of your artwork...
Keep putting them up there Springie...there are lots of people who love what you do!
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Posted by Springie on 12-01-2008 at 02:32:
Thanks Ebony! This thread has become a real boost to me, as I was being stupid by letting someone's nastiness discourage me. I'll just keep plugging away at it until I get it right.
Everyone's kind words and encouragement really helps...and it also helps to know I am not alone in being targeted like that. I just have trouble understanding that behavior...I don't think I could ever be that harsh...guess I am just too fluffy... 
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 12-01-2008 at 03:41:
Well it can still hurt when you work hard at something and someone likes to stick the knife in...maybe they should have a guide with those star ratings...I'm not a huge fan of them because they can open the door to someone who wants to give you a hard time, or miss understands your work.
I don't think i have actually rated on that site in the gallery...only commented and if I think it is something that could be improved on(it would have to be bad from me even consider it) then there is always email.
Cricket was critiqued...on a critique...huh!
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Posted by Springie on 12-01-2008 at 05:00:
Awwww, Ebony...thanks for the sweet comments, baybee! I just saw them over on the archive site...and funnily enough, it looks like the deadly zero-meister has been at it again...I think I saw more zeros on my stuff...whoever it is really hates the Ken and Jun sitting by the lake pic...
anyway, it looks like you have been trying to boost my "star" average, too...thanks so much! 
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Posted by Toneman on 12-01-2008 at 05:42:
Springie... It was me. I did it. Well... Not really. I wish I could take credit for something as cruel and heartless as that, but alas... I cannot. As an artist, you are your own worst critic. People see your work, and they faun over it, even if you think it sucks. I think you do an excellent job personally. Keep up the good work!!
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Posted by katsesama on 12-01-2008 at 08:28:
I went in and tried a couple things, and you don't even have to sign in to rate pics. You can just hit the stars and go on. You don't even have to hit a "submit" like Tim said if you're not logged in. And it DOES count that vote.
So it's completely possible some moron who doesn't even know what Gatchaman is happened upon the site and just started giving rankings because miserable people like to spread misery. I bet Julieann can tweak it so only people who are logged in can vote, if someone were to ask.
One of my biggest complaints about the internet. No, scratch that. My BIGGEST complaint is how you can freaking RATE and give your OPINION on every damn thing. (I mean, you can rate whether you think this thread sucks if you want. I appreciate that it's just part of how this BB works, and that it can be nice to have the option to rate a thread highly so others will give it a look, but it's a good example of what I mean.)
It's nice to be able to post art and have people comment and give you props or share something funny, but the internet is absolutely diseased by negativity and nastiness. It honestly frightens me what that says about human nature. Sometimes I feel like I'm part of a different species. Or maybe I just wish I were if that's what it means to be human.
I have also noticed that those who criticise are most often those who a) have little talent b) have often not even tried the thing they're criticising, like drawing with a pencil, and definitely c) have poor self-esteem and project their tininess on everyone they meet in an attempt to make themselves feel better.
People occasionally do this to me on DA (or do it to people I care about), and I usually can't resist writing back something with a little snap to it. You know I had to do something about that one guy's stupid criticism. He's SO not good enough to be bitching at you as much as he does. I can find just as many things wrong with his pictures, believe me. But I wouldn't criticize someone like that because a) It doesn't help them learn, it only tears them down and b) I'M not good enough to throw stones, and I'm smart enough to know that. (I think as soon as ANYONE thinks they're good enough to throw stones, they're in trouble. And there are some AWFULLY good people out there.)
So. Does your stuff deserve 0 stars? Can I swear on here? Because the answer to that is a four-letter no. (%$#& no!) Your work is beautiful, and you just keep growing, so it only gets even more beautiful as you go. Please don't let some childish person tear you down or make you afraid to do art or share your art.
We all started somewhere; it was practice and positive feedback and more practice that made us better. And you epitomize the artist who is not only good naturally, but who is striving to grow and improve, which can only make you a great artist. I'm just glad we all get to be along for the ride.
Warmly,
Kat
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 12-01-2008 at 09:49:
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Anytime Springie
Well I love it! And I know how you feel when you say you get a angry. I don't mind a bit of help, but I must admit I can just react to bad Criticism sometimes, if I feel it unjustified especially ...just ask TJ, she was on IM when I read some about one of my stories, I got very mad because the person was Condescending and clueless as to what the story was about...they based their critique on 600 words of fic just the first chapter which that story is over 60,000 words long and she rated it low too.
TJ told me to calm down and give it 24 hours before I responded...god love her I do! Lucky she was on IM... because I was acting like a Condor and I was looking for the red button...LOL
So don't feel bad about having a rant...Katsesama got it right in saying that any Tom,Dick or Harry could just rate and they don't even have to be a member...
(My DH thinks I'm like Lizzy out of "Pride and prejudice." grins...he maybe right.
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Posted by yul on 12-01-2008 at 10:34:
Springie, ignore this «critic». There are a lot of people in the internet (and in the real life, unfortunately) who strengthen their self-appraisal using such methods. These people criticize trying to hide their diffidence and often don`t have skills and talent to create anything themselves.
And I agree with Katsesama, may be this person didn`t even know what this site is about.
BTW, I don`t know, why system of low ratings is needed at all. I think, if you don`t like anything in internet and it annoys you, the best way is just to push «x» in the upper right corner of the window.
Posted by amyltrer on 12-01-2008 at 11:00:
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Usually severe criticism is given either by those who have amazing drawing skills, but such a person knows what efforts one would put even in a less quality pic, so they wouldn't give a 0 vote. A 3 or 3, even a 1, but not a 0!
The other kind of people are lurkers who has no drawing skills at all and they are simple envious on those who can. I have seen some truly wonderful pic on deviant lowly rated by the said rats! And there are some ones who simply like to give low ratings and make the author feeling miserable!
As for your other question, I doubt you could track them or do something against them.... If I had at least their IP number....
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Posted by amyltrer on 12-01-2008 at 11:04:
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Yes the deviant art. It was a piccie with Ego.
Well let's thank DA there's no negative rating.
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Posted by Springie on 12-01-2008 at 16:48:
Gawd, I love you people! Katse, Ebony, Yul, Amy and even our eeeeevil RI Tone, (and of course everyone who commented before) you are such an encouragement...You have helped me so much! I hadn't really encountered any real mean spirited negativity until lately. Sounds like I should be thankful I went this long without it!
I won't let one or two people's nastiness get me down...
You guys are the only ones who matter to me, anyway...
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Posted by Springie on 12-01-2008 at 16:50:
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So someone gave you bad comments on DA? I looked at your page a couple of days ago...and saw that all of your stuff was labelled as scraps...you need to have them in your gallery...there is some great stuff over there! I think you have Ego down so well!! And your ideas are so original...
I'm gonna go back and look to see who was being mean to you over there...
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Posted by Springie on 12-01-2008 at 17:47:
I didn't see it, Amy...you'll have to point them out so I can go get 'em for ya... 
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 13-01-2008 at 02:36:
Amy your one of the few people out there that has produced any artwork with Ego in it.
You improving all the time so keep them coming!
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Posted by SJ_SwanJun on 13-01-2008 at 15:26:
Woah ...
See that's why this site fucking ROCKS!!
You have to be logged in to comment and what-not ... I've never been a fan of rating systems, especially with art and the such.
You know I love your work, Springie. I might not comment all the time, but I am one of your biggest fans and get really excited when I see new stuff from you.
Y'all know why I tend to back away from anything remotely associated with yahoo lists and the such. I always saw the fanfic sote as an extention of the ML, so I stay as far back as I can from it.
I am in the mood to just go in now and vote high on all of your pics just out of principle ...
Jerk or not, this individual should have had the balls to make it known who they are, just to give you the chance to ask what he/she thinks is unacceptable with your pics ...
... or to let this little Swannie puff up her chest and go beat them for you.
<shakes head>
Honey ... you rock. Your stuff is da bomb! You're certainly a lot more talented than half the stuff I've seen out there that get top ratings.
Don't let that bum you out, kiddo. Some people are just dicks with no balls .... eunichs even ....
SJ
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Posted by Springie on 13-01-2008 at 16:19:
Thanks so much, SJ! I was a pretty sad puppy on Friday morning, but you're right, this site rocks...everyone has made me feel so much better, when I realize that this sort of thing happens alot on the web. Guess I just haven't been exposed to it much yet. I am going to use this to help me grow a thicker skin, and not be so worried about what jerks like that think.
Although if it is a serious rating, I really want to know why, so it can help me grow.
Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, baybee...it means alot to me!!! 
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 14-01-2008 at 00:57:
Springie go post some more picutres...show that Galactor scum that Swan will not be beaten by a Devilstar that is out for revenge because the Swan is the better woman for both the Eagle and the Condor...
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Posted by Springie on 14-01-2008 at 01:11:
Heehee...thanks, Ebony...I will...as soon as I get Photoshop back...I lost it when i did a system restore...grrrr...
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