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Posted by Dragonsbain on 24-04-2011 at 01:04:

Lamp Questions from a newbie

Hello everyone,

As I have been taught: " The only stupid question is the one you don't ask."

I do believe that I'm on the right website to clear up some basic questions about Gatchaman.

1. Am I wrong in thinking that the only way to watch Gatchaman is in the original Japaneese with subtitles?

2. Did Dr. Nambu rescue Jo from the beach after his parents are killed?

3. Did Dr. Nambu raise Jo, as his son, after rescueing him?

4. If 2 and 3 are both true, why was it Ken and not Jo having a meltdown when Nambu is killed near the end of Gatch F?

5. I know that Jo is cyberdized to save his life, between Gatch 1 and Gatch 2.
Has Ken had any work done to him?

6. How did Ryu get found for the team?

7. Not to ruffle any feathers, pun totally intended, but why do I keep finding references to and hints about Ken possibly being gay and Jo and Ryu being bi? Remember I don't ask to upset anyone. It is just that I have seen it way too much to be just a fluke.

Ok. I'm done. I promise. Elfgrin2 Any info would help.

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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 24-04-2011 at 02:30:

RE: Questions from a newbie

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Originally posted by Dragonsbain
Hello everyone,

As I have been taught: " The only stupid question is the one you don't ask."

I do believe that I'm on the right website to clear up some basic questions about Gatchaman.

1. Am I wrong in thinking that the only way to watch Gatchaman is in the original Japaneese with subtitles?

ADV put out a translation in English. You can find it if you look.

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2. Did Dr. Nambu rescue Jo from the beach after his parents are killed?

3. Did Dr. Nambu raise Jo, as his son, after rescueing him?

That's what Duel on Galactor Island pretty much said.

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4. If 2 and 3 are both true, why was it Ken and not Jo having a meltdown when Nambu is killed near the end of Gatch F?

All new production team. They probably forgot.

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5. I know that Jo is cyberdized to save his life, between Gatch 1 and Gatch 2.
Has Ken had any work done to him?

Doesn't seem to have.

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6. How did Ryu get found for the team?

Never revealed.

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7. Not to ruffle any feathers, pun totally intended, but why do I keep finding references to and hints about Ken possibly being gay and Jo and Ryu being bi? Remember I don't ask to upset anyone. It is just that I have seen it way too much to be just a fluke.

That's fanfic. Pure fanon. And I've never seen Ryu shown as anything save hetero.

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Ok. I'm done. I promise. Elfgrin2

Any info would help.

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Posted by amethyst on 24-04-2011 at 02:39:

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That is personal preference. Early episodes are a purer, though debatable translation. Later episodes the translation is still true, but less pure; more liberties are taken with dialogue as well as homage paid to previous English interpretations (BotP, GoS, but more BotP)

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2. Did Dr. Nambu rescue Jo from the beach after his parents are killed?

Yes

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3. Did Dr. Nambu raise Jo, as his son, after rescueing him?

I think this is open to interpretation. But yes, he was essentially his guardian from that time forth as we know of no one else.

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4. If 2 and 3 are both true, why was it Ken and not Jo having a meltdown when Nambu is killed near the end of Gatch F?

Not sure, I haven't seen this series.

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5. I know that Jo is cyberdized to save his life, between Gatch 1 and Gatch 2.
Has Ken had any work done to him?

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6. How did Ryu get found for the team?

I don't know, it is never explained

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In canon, there is no clear evidence of sexual orientation. In fanon, it is personal preference.

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Ok. I'm done. I promise. Elfgrin2

Any info would help.

No worries, these get asked a lot, and get answered a lot. And don't say you're done. A lot of questions lead to interesting discussions.

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Posted by Dragonsbain on 24-04-2011 at 02:59:

Thanks a lot Unpublished Writer and amethyst.

I will look for the ADV version of Gatchaman.

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Posted by lborgia88 on 24-04-2011 at 03:10:

Interesting questions!

1. Entirely a matter of personal preference, I think. Me, I watch it both ways, subs and dub. I like the original Japanese actors' voices (especially for Joe) and the subs' more accurate translations, but if I'm not wanting to be looking at the bottom of the screen continuously (I'm often too lazy to read...), or if I'm going to be making screen caps, then I'll use the dubbed version.

2. Yup. It's described by the mayor of BC Island, when he's talking to Katse, in episode 81. Though it's more a case of Dr. Nambu arriving on the scene, taking young George/Joe to a hospital, where he "dies" a week later. Not surprisingly, Dr. Nambu had seen to all the burial arrangements too, and when they dig up the coffin in episode 81, it's empty.

3. As far as it's known, Dr. Nambu does take Joe back to Utoland and Joe lives with him, at least until he's older and then he has his trailer that he lives in. It's even possible that Joe was the first of the ninjas to live with Dr. Nambu. Ken's father "dies" when Ken is four, but Ken's mother is alive until he's eleven. I don't think it's ever stated exactly when Ken began living with Dr. Nambu -it could have been when he was four (especially if his mother was in poor health) but it might not have been until he was eleven.

4. Ken rather does...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJb77pwHS9I&feature=related

If they don't all go completely to pieces, I'd guess that's because they take their Science Ninja Team duties very seriously, and as soldiers, know they have to keep it together and go on fighting. And they've both suffered losses of parents, and therefore have some experience dealing with grief of that nature -that might help them somewhat.

5. He has some medical procedures done to him in Gatch F, to combat the hypershoot sickness he's experiencing, but nothing to do with cybernetics or artificial enhancements of any kind.

6. No canon info for that, really. I'd have to dig through old threads, but I want to think there's some at least semi-canon origin story for Ryu, whether from production notes or something said by someone in Tatsunoko, that Dr. Nambu has to go out on a boat for some reason, and it so happens that a younger Ryu is on that boat, and there's an accident, or a storm -something goes wrong- and Dr. Nambu is impressed by Ryu and invites him to come to Utoland with him.

Is this ringing any bells for anyone, or did I just dream this up somehow??

7. Well, "slash fics" are popular in lots of fandoms. Me, I don't think they're gay or bi, and there's nothing in canon that says they are, but then a lot of the fun in fics is reinterpreting or tweaking canon and everyone's got their own ideas as to how to do that...

Posted by clouddancer on 24-04-2011 at 03:14:

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Originally posted by amethyst

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2. Did Dr. Nambu rescue Jo from the beach after his parents are killed?

Yes

I am trying to remember, does the series actually SHOW Nambu rescuing Joe? Or is it a set of legs and it is 'suggested' that it is Nambu. I will have to go back and watch.

What I am thinking is it could have been someone else who rescued Joe and then gave him to Nambu. Which would explain why I have seen several stories where RI rescued Joe.

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Posted by clouddancer on 24-04-2011 at 03:21:

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Originally posted by lborgia88

6. No canon info for that, really. I'd have to dig through old threads, but I want to think there's some at least semi-canon origin story for Ryu, whether from production notes or something said by someone in Tatsunoko, that Dr. Nambu has to go out on a boat for some reason, and it so happens that a younger Ryu is on that boat, and there's an accident, or a storm -something goes wrong- and Dr. Nambu is impressed by Ryu and invites him to come to Utoland with him.

Is this ringing any bells for anyone, or did I just dream this up somehow??

I have read a story to that affect LB. I would have to look it up to see who wrote it though.

This is one I read by Diinzumo called Migration. I think there maybe another one as well but I can not remember it at the moment. It will come as soon as I press reply, probably.

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Posted by lborgia88 on 24-04-2011 at 04:07:

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I'm thinking that Diinzumo was using the same "semi-canon" Ryu info that I think Tatsunokofan once explained on a thread somewhere here... I just wish I could remember where!

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Originally posted by amethyst

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2. Did Dr. Nambu rescue Jo from the beach after his parents are killed?

Yes

It seems pretty clear that it's Dr. Nambu, though his face isn't shown, so other theories are certainly viable...

From TJ's recap of ep 81.

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Originally posted by Transmute Jun
Katse walks right into the building and into a conference room with an incredibly long table. At one end is seated a man who is presumably 705, the Mayor of BC Island.

â€œThank you so much for coming, Lord Katse!â€ 705 says.

â€œMayor, I understand you were the one who reported the death of Giuseppeâ€™s child, are you not?â€ Katse gets right down to business.

â€œThat is correct, Lord Katse.â€ 705 says, bowing. This is quite an accomplishment, since heâ€™s still sitting down.

â€œYouâ€™re absolutely sure?â€ Katse asks smoothly, sitting down himself at the other end of the incredibly long conference table.

â€œYes, Sire!â€ the man answers calmly, but heâ€™s sweating bullets. â€œA medical doctor was present at the time and confirmed the death.â€

â€œWhat medical doctor? Are you telling me the child died at a hospital?â€ Katse asks sharply.

â€œYes, Sire.â€ 705 confirms. â€œYou ordered us to assassinate Giuseppe for betraying Galactor, along with all of his family members. And following those orders to the letter, we shot Giuseppe and his wife to death on the beach, and blasted their child with a bomb! But the child was still alive, and just as we were about to finish him off, people heard the commotion and started gathering round. Right then, a traveling scientist, who claimed to be a licensed doctor, came upon the scene and took George to the hospital.â€

We see a few flashbacks of a Devilstar arm about to shoot, and then an image of the doctor carrying the child.

Hmmmâ€¦ thatâ€™s a familiar color of suit jacketâ€¦

â€œThat man examined the child?â€ Katse questions.

â€œYes, Sire.â€ 705 responds hastily. â€œAnd a week later, George died.â€

Posted by lborgia88 on 24-04-2011 at 04:08:

RE: Questions from a newbie

Oops, double post

Posted by Transmute Jun on 24-04-2011 at 04:08:

For Ken gettiing upset when Dr. Nambu was killed... remember that Dr. Nambu raised Ken from age 4 (when Red Impulse ran off and abandoned his son). Also, Ken was very emotional with the Hypershoot illness (got into rages easily, became defiant, etc.) so it's reasonable to understand that he was overly emotional when Dr. Nambu was killed.

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Posted by gatchamarie on 24-04-2011 at 14:19:

iagree That's exactly what I was going to say, TJ, regarding Ken being the one who was the most emotional when Nambu died! By that time he was at his extremes, both physically and mentally, and losing Dr Nambu was like losing a father for a second time! Moreover, Dr Nambu did everything to try to save Ken's life ... he had even risked his life in an earlier episode in order to find Ken a cure, so Ken couldn't accept the fact that he hadn't been able to save Dr. Nambu's in return!

As to the other questions, Dragonsbain, I couldn't answer better than the others have already done!

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Posted by lborgia88 on 24-04-2011 at 14:43:

It's often noted that Joe is a rock whenever Ken is losing it (and vice versa), whatever he might be feeling inside. It sure does seem that that was the case in a lot of Gatch F, especially when Ken started to become ill!

Posted by gatchamarie on 24-04-2011 at 15:14:

Quite like so, LB! In Gatch F the Eagle's and the Condor's characters interchanged between themselves! Like you said, Ken was losing it a lot and Joe was always ready to take whatever action was necessary according to the circumstances! And, he so thoughtfully did so without taking any advantage and always in the capacity of his second-in-command rank, showing full respect for his Commander!

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Posted by Dragonsbain on 24-04-2011 at 15:33:

Much love to all.
I haven't watched all of Gatch F. I will study more.
Actually I haven't watched all of the episodes of any of the series. I've ordered the ADV DVDs. Vols1,3,4 and 9. That is all I could do for now.

Thanks everyone!

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Posted by lborgia88 on 24-04-2011 at 15:34:

Okay, I've figured out where I'd gotten the "semi-canon" notion in my head that Ryu first met Dr. Nambu in some kind of boating accident...

It's from Diinzumo's site:

Posted by Springie on 24-04-2011 at 16:35:

I can't remember if I properly welcomed you, Dragonsbain! Welcome to the site! Those are some great questions, and don't worry about asking more...keep 'em coming! There's a wealth of Gatch information around here...and if we don't know the answer, we can probably find it out!

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Posted by Dragonsbain on 25-04-2011 at 04:12:

Iborgia88:Thanks for the info on Ryu.
Springie: Thanks for the welcome. I just looked at all the bunny pics on the Easter thread. Too cute and funny. Those are great pictures.

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Posted by Dragonsbain on 26-04-2011 at 04:35:

Hello all,
The episode of the week thread is just totally amazing. I can see it was truly a labor of love to put it together.

Especially the puppy episode. laugh3

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Posted by Transmute Jun on 26-04-2011 at 13:12:

You can thank LB for that one! She and I had a great time putting those together! And it certainly was a 'labor of love', on both of our parts! I'm glad you are enjoying them!

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Posted by amethyst on 26-04-2011 at 16:19:

LB, I meant to thank you for that background on Ryu. I remember reading the story, but I don't think I remember her site. Will have to go and look when I get a chance.

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