Often, I have insomnia because my brain just won't shut up. Last night, at least it was thinking about Gatchy stuff. Here are some random thoughts/ questions from Springie... 1. If Ken and Jun got married, who would attend the wedding? I assume it would be an intimate affair...maybe a small ceremony on Ken's favorite cliff at sunset... 2. Hmmm... just how many people know about the team's identities and are still living ? I know the girl from episode 4 promised to keep it a secret. Also, the girls in the beauty contest with Jun knew who she really was. Anyone else? Ryu's dad didn't know, but didn't his brother find out? and what about Gatch II/ F characters? 3. And here's a weird one...you know how people smashed names of famous couples together? Ben + Jennifer = Bennifer Jun+Ken = Jen (Kun was strange) Jun + Joe= Joe or Jun???? Nambu + Katse= Natse ("Nazi") Maria + Jinpei= Minpei Sorry I am insane. I just had to share my random thoughts with you- do you have anything to add?

I love the way your mind works, Springie For Ken and Jun's wedding, I imagine it would just be Nambu and the team. Nambu would get ordained and officiate the marriage, Joe, of course would be Best Man, and Ryu would give Jun away. That would leave Jinpei to be Rage Boy/Ring bearer! Gonna pass on the second point... because I simply don't know. For the name mashups, How about Jujo for Jun +Joe or Manpei for Maria and Jinpei. Natse has me though. oh, what about Jun + Ryu = Jyu?

I'll have to think about those, Springie. But I do have one BotP question that's gnawed at my brain now and then: in one ep. (I can't remember which one off the top of my head), 7-Zark-7 mentions a "grandfather" called 4-Zark-4. THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT!!! Zark's "dad" would be 6-Zark-6, and his "grandfather" would be 5-Zark-5! What gives? Is 5-Zark-5 the "Black Sheep" of the family? (That could be really frightening!) Or are 7-Zark-7 and the folks at Quantum Tobor Labs that bad at math?

maybe 5-Zark-5 is 7-Zark-7's uncle?

Hi all,

Originally posted by ElectricWhite I'll have to think about those, Springie. But I do have one BotP question that's gnawed at my brain now and then: in one ep. (I can't remember which one off the top of my head), 7-Zark-7 mentions a "grandfather" called 4-Zark-4. THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT!!! Zark's "dad" would be 6-Zark-6, and his "grandfather" would be 5-Zark-5! What gives? Is 5-Zark-5 the "Black Sheep" of the family? (That could be really frightening!) Or are 7-Zark-7 and the folks at Quantum Tobor Labs that bad at math?

Yes, 7-Zark-7 mentions his "grandfather" 4-Zark-4 in "Mad New Ruler of Spectra" (episode 21). I have no idea how the fine folks at Quanto-Tobor Labs did their naming, but you're right, something doesn't add up in their lineage. Susan doesn't have a number designation at all and she was made at the same place. 1-Rover-1 had a similar naming structure even though he was made by a different manufacturer, Laboratory K-9. In the French version of Battle, Susan's character was named 5-Sibel-5, which I thought made a nicer sounding match along with 7-Zark-7 and 1-Rover-1's names. I've often wondered if Susan's character was originally given a number-name-number for the US version. But I haven't uncovered any evidence of that yet. On yet another side note, 7-Zark-7 was initially called Zark V ("five" I assume, not "vee") on the model sheet drawn by Alex Toth. The Other Jason www.battleoftheplanets.info

I think (only because I can't read Korean subtitles) that in Gatch F, there is an episode where Joe goes back to BC Island and there is a girl named Anna whom he knew when he was a kid (it was apparent that they knew each other and hadn't seen each other in a long time). She finds out, or he tells her (I don't remember off-hand, maybe he went to Birdstyle in front of her) that he's on the Science Ninja Team and she even gets to ride with him in his vehicle and on the Gatchaspartan. Anyway, this is what I was able to infer from watching that video on You Tube. So if I'm wrong or if someone has anything to add, feel free to add it or correct me.

MsAnn, the video clip in this thread has been taken down, sadly, but the thread seems to confirm what you say. http://www.gatchamania.net/thread.php?threadid=2278

Originally posted by Springie Often, I have insomnia because my brain just won't shut up.

One of many ways that great fics are spawned.

Springie: There are episodes where Ken introduces himself as "Ken the Eagle" and I think Joe uses "Joe the Condor" at times (not to mention him being called "Condor Joe" during races). So who knows how many people know who he is. However, most of them I doubt would be invited to a team wedding. They're not exactly central to the team's lives and inviting them would put the people invited in more danger, not to mention making it more likely that the wedding would be crashed by the baddies. I imagine it would be a very small affair with the team and maybe some ISO staff they deal with a lot.

OMG- great thoughts, everyone! EW, I am so glad I'm not the only one wondering random things right now... Jason, thanks for the Zark "family tree" info...haha! KT, great mashups!! LOL! I like your Jun x Joe mashup better! I agree with your wedding thoughts, too! msann- great info! I'm not as familiar with Gatch F, so I didn't remember Anna. Chris- yeah, the way they just spout off their titles like it's not a big deal drives me crazy. Or when they talk to each other on the bracelets and announce their titles, "This is G3, Jun the Swan..." *facepalm* I agree that a lot of these "extras' probably wouldn't be invited to the wedding, but who knows? Maybe they were closer to some "off camera"...haha I agree that for security reasons they'd probably be "hush-hush"... Katherine- I actually thought about attempting a fic, but my time is so limited these days. If anyone else feels inspired by anything on this thread, be my guest! It might be easier to draw a picture...

Hola everyone! Thinking about what Speingie said, well, it seems to me that the team was very careful in keeping their identities as a secret. But in Gatchaman II and F, looks to me that they are not as careful as before. For what I got in Gatchaman F, they even reveal their identities to some friends, like MsAnn said. Also, I remember Ken telling a friend too. Regarding your questions Springie.....I want to think that the wedding would be in a cliff like you describe, maybe in front of Red Impulse monument. And all of them would play a part on the event, like KT suggested. Ahhhh..... About the combination of names, I pass.....clueless jeje

Unfortunately, Nambu is dead at the end of Gatchaman F, so he cannot perform the ceremony. However I think it would be small. The team is tired and physically beaten up. They wouldn't want a huge thing. It's also possible that they went through some big ceremonies in uniform after the Earth was saved, and they would be sick of it. I don't think the team would stoop to reading gossip about themselves in the rags, so they would never be concerned about name mashups. Yeah, Zark's grandfather's name was messed up. I think I explained it in a fic as Zark was 'removed' because he was an embarrassment. Then in another fic, I implied that Zark had an 'older brother' who was 6-Zark-6, and that he had mysteriously 'disappeared'. Not that 7-Zark-7 had anything to do with that....

Nice ideas, adriana! I need to go back and look at II and F! TJ- what if they had a small, secret ceremony before (or at the beginning of) Gatch F? And now I'm wondering who would perform the ceremony if they married at the very end of F...Director Anderson? As for the mashups- I could see Jun buying a copy of the Utoland Enquirer just to tease Ken with it. Or Jinpei getting it just to tease Jun and Ken. Joe would just give the idea the finger and Ryu would laugh it off. LOL! I remember your sinister thoughts on Zark! ROFL!

I can totally picture Jinpei/Keyop following all of the gossip rags, and even spreading rumors himself!

Let's see... Wouldn't there be a support crew for the team that they may have made friends with that would be invited to Ken and Jun's wedding? As for Joe telling an old childhood female friend who he is, might you be referring to Cathy, the blonde who impersonated Jun who turned out to also be a cyborg that Joe fell instantly in love with but she ended up sacrificing herself to save Joe on a mission they had been sent on? I have an Aunt June and Uncle Joe, so no mismassing of names there.

Originally posted by Becky Rock Let's see... Wouldn't there be a support crew for the team that they may have made friends with that would be invited to Ken and Jun's wedding? As for Joe telling an old childhood female friend who he is, might you be referring to Cathy, the blonde who impersonated Jun who turned out to also be a cyborg that Joe fell instantly in love with but she ended up sacrificing herself to save Joe on a mission they had been sent on? I have an Aunt June and Uncle Joe, so no mismassing of names there.

Kathy was another cyborg in Gatch II. She and Joe had never met before that episode. Anna had black hair and that episode took place on BC Island during Gatch F. Anna was human, had short black hair, and it was clear that they knew each other when they were kids.

Originally posted by ChrisW I can totally picture Jinpei/Keyop following all of the gossip rags, and even spreading rumors himself!

Just imagine how badly they'd strangle him if he called in as an informant! He gets mad at his sister- or any member of the team, and makes something up. Hmmm... he could even send in a snapshot as an anonymous informant...

Originally posted by Springie

Originally posted by ChrisW I can totally picture Jinpei/Keyop following all of the gossip rags, and even spreading rumors himself!

Just imagine how badly they'd strangle him if he called in as an informant! He gets mad at his sister- or any member of the team, and makes something up. Hmmm... he could even send in a snapshot as an anonymous informant...

...And he'd get some money from it, too! (Danny Bonaducci -- the guy who played the red-headded kid on The Partridge Family -- would sell stories about himself to the Enquirer whenever he was strapped for cash!)

I predict a series of Jinpei's pictures coming ...

😉

Originally posted by KT1972 MsAnn, the video clip in this thread has been taken down, sadly, but the thread seems to confirm what you say. http://www.gatchamania.net/thread.php?threadid=2278

Any idea which ep. this is?

Originally posted by ElectricWhite

Originally posted by KT1972 MsAnn, the video clip in this thread has been taken down, sadly, but the thread seems to confirm what you say. http://www.gatchamania.net/thread.php?threadid=2278

Any idea which ep. this is?

I believe its episode 21. It's still on You Tube, on 0yulka0's channel and its in 3 parts, but it has Korean subtitles.

Originally posted by msannomalley

Originally posted by ElectricWhite

Originally posted by KT1972 MsAnn, the video clip in this thread has been taken down, sadly, but the thread seems to confirm what you say. http://www.gatchamania.net/thread.php?threadid=2278

Any idea which ep. this is?

I believe its episode 21. It's still on You Tube, on 0yulka0's channel and its in 3 parts, but it has Korean subtitles.

Thanks!

Hi all! There are actually a number of characters across the three series that know the identities of the Science Ninja Team, at least in some manner. You see, many of the people who "know" who they are have seen their faces or seen them in civilian clothes, but they don't necessarily know a lot of personal information about them, like their full names or where they live. So, I'll leave up to you to decide for yourself how well some of these qualify. One that applies to all three series are the numerous unnamed I.S.O. scientists, technicians, and engineers who would have worked with, or at least seen, the Science Ninja Team in their civilian clothes in Crescent Coral Reef, G-Town, and Gatchaman Base. There are enough of these guys that I'm not going to try to list them individually. Surprisingly, Director Anderson doesn't know their identities, and has no way to contact them without Dr. Nambu. Ryu's father and Seiji do not know his identity. There's some confusion over this because of some rewriting of the Japanese disalogue in the Italian version of the Gatchaman II episode in which they appear that has them discover the truth. However, the original Japanese dialogue for that scene makes it clear that they don't know Ryu's secret. Gatchaman: Dr. Takahara (Episode #3) Knows at least what Ken looks like. Ken introduced himself as "Ken, the Eagle" while in his civilian clothes, and Dr. Takahara knows that Ken, as Gatchaman, was responsible for "killing" the fake Captain Takahara -- at least from Makoto's point of view. Naomi Nakahara (Episode #4) As pointed out, Naomi knows their true identities, as well as where Jun and Jinpei live. Prince Luka (Episode #19) He knows what all of the Ninja Team look like, as he saw them in their civilian identities before the start of the race. Chinchiro (Episode #64) The youngest member of the Swims Gang is the only one to realize that the kid they saw might be Jinpei, the Swallow, though he wasn't fully certain about it. Toda (Episode #72) The entomologist might have figured out who Jinpei is, since the Ninja Team came to pick him up. It's hardly definite, though. Girls from the Beauty Center contest (Episode #74) The girls captured along with Jun during the contest would have seen her face, but likely know nothing else about her identity. Rumi (Episode #79) It is implied that Rumi recognizes Ken in his civilian clothes at the end of the episode, but it is never made clear if she might know anything more than what he looks like. Gatchaman II: Dr. Raphael He knows Joe's identity, and has seen Ken without his helmet. He does die at the end of the series, though, so does he count as "still living?" How many episodes does a character have to survive with the knowledge for them to count? Dr. Pandora She knows their identities, but like Dr. Raphael, she also dies at the end of the series, so she may not count. Milly (Episode #17) A friend of Jun's. She knows that Jun is part of the Ninja Team, though it is possible that she has never seen Jun outside of her Bird Style. Workers on the plane (Episode #26) When the Ninja Team first meet Dr. Pandora on her airplane, there are technicians on board the plane as well. Joe, who is dressed as a truck driver, introduces himself as "Joe, the Condor," despite these strangers being around him. As it turns out, one of them is even a Gallactor spy! Mako (Episode #2 She knows Joe's identity from the time he spent with Hawk Getz. Pete and Michi (Episode #31) They rescue Ken when the Eagle Sharp crashes and they work with to hide him from Gallactor. Kena (Episode #32) She nurses the amnesiac Ken back to health, only to discover his real identity after he regains his memory. Kids in the Amazon (Episode #34) Jinpei, in civilian clothes, tells a bunch of kids who he really is, and then almost compounds the problem by telling them who the rest of the Ninja Team is. Dr. Holling, Mark, and, well, pretty much every guest character in the story (Episode #36) Ken wears a unique uniform in this episode that does nothing to disguise his face, and there are times when he is with people while not wearing that helmet, and everyone they encounter recognizes him as Gatchaman. Sam (Episode #46) Director Anderson's grandson sees Ken as he reveals his true self to Gel Sadra to convince her that Sam is not Gatchaman. Sosai X (Epiode #49) X provides Gel Sadra with a photo of Ken and Joe in their civilian clothes, so he knows what they look like. Why was he keeping this a secret from Gel Sadra and the rest of Gallactor? Gatchaman Fighter: Anna (Episode #21) Joe's childhood friend didn't know his secret identity until he radioed the rest of the Ninja Team with her standing next to him. Riska and her fellow resistance fighters (Episode #2 Riska and her band of resistance fighters see Ken, Joe, Jinpei, and Ryu in their civilian identities as they help rescue them. This group then see the heroes transform into Bird Style. Kidnapped Scientists (Episode #31) Ken and Joe reveal their true faces to the scientists, as well as their Ninja Team identities, while rescuing them. Dr. Beari and Lucy (Episode #33) Ryu, in cold weather civilian clothes, reveals his Ninja Team identity to this father and daughter as he rescues them from Gallactor. Why he'll tell them and not his own family is a mystery. Carmilla (Episode #3 This young girl removes Jinpei's bracelet, causing his Bird Style to revert to his civilian clothes. Spy SP-2 (Episode #41) This Gallactor spy knows who Ken is in his civilian clothes. I guess she got a copy of X's photo... I hope this helps! James

Hi all!

Originally posted by ElectricWhite I'll have to think about those, Springie. But I do have one BotP question that's gnawed at my brain now and then: in one ep. (I can't remember which one off the top of my head), 7-Zark-7 mentions a "grandfather" called 4-Zark-4. THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT!!! Zark's "dad" would be 6-Zark-6, and his "grandfather" would be 5-Zark-5! What gives? Is 5-Zark-5 the "Black Sheep" of the family? (That could be really frightening!) Or are 7-Zark-7 and the folks at Quantum Tobor Labs that bad at math?

I just assumed that Zark's father referred to 4-Zark-4 as "Grandfather," and 7-Zark-7 simply picked up on that and continued to call him "Grandfather," despite the inaccuracy.

Originally posted by Becky Rock As for Joe telling an old childhood female friend who he is, might you be referring to Cathy, the blonde who impersonated Jun who turned out to also be a cyborg that Joe fell instantly in love with but she ended up sacrificing herself to save Joe on a mission they had been sent on?

As has been pointed out, Joe's childhood friend Anna, from Gatchaman Fighter #21, is a different character than the cyborg Cathy, from Gatchaman II #13. Also, the blond who impersonated Jun is a different character as well. That character is Eva, from Gatchaman II #20. James

Originally posted by tatsunokofan Sosai X (Epiode #49) X provides Gel Sadra with a photo of Ken and Joe in their civilian clothes, so he knows what they look like. Why was he keeping this a secret from Gel Sadra and the rest of Gallactor?

In Eagle Riders, Cybercon tells Mallanox that their agents had recently discovered the secret identities of the Eagle and the Condor, so I thought it was the same in Gatch II when Sosai X gave the photo to Gel Sadra. (If I'm lucky, I know just enough Japanese to keep from strutting into the wrong public restroom, so it's a bit difficult for me to go to the source to find out on my own.)

James: I was looking at my screenshots from episode 36 and didn't notice a unique uniform. Do you have any screenshots to show what you mean? (I wonder if I have my screenshots mislabeled, wouldn't be the first time. )

Hi all!

Originally posted by ElectricWhiteIn Eagle Riders, Cybercon tells Mallanox that their agents had recently discovered the secret identities of the Eagle and the Condor, so I thought it was the same in Gatch II when Sosai X gave the photo to Gel Sadra. (If I'm lucky, I know just enough Japanese to keep from strutting into the wrong public restroom, so it's a bit difficult for me to go to the source to find out on my own.)

It's been a while since I watched that episode, but checking it out again, it does appear that X had uncovered their identities only recently. Of course, since X dies three episodes after this, he'd be with Raphael and Pandora in the "Do they qualify as 'still living?" category.

Originally posted by ChrisW James: I was looking at my screenshots from episode 36 and didn't notice a unique uniform. Do you have any screenshots to show what you mean? (I wonder if I have my screenshots mislabeled, wouldn't be the first time. )

Here's a few shots of the outfit that I'm talking about: Here's a couple that show some of the back of the uniform: And the front and back of the helmet that does nothing to conceal his identity: I hope this helps! James

I actually don't like the looks of that uniform.

Wow!! Thank you, James! That is some really helpful information!!! Interesting to see the inconsistencies when they reveal their identities... I originally thought Ryu finally told his brother and father who he was in either Gatch II or F. Also, I didn't remember seeing that outfit on Ken- I suppose they had a Gatcha space suit specially designed- but how strange that they can see his face!

Isn't that closer to what he wore in that Korean rip-off show, the 5 Eagle Brothers or whatever? Man that helmet is weird.

They did have Gatchaman space suits that were shown in the introduction to Gatchaman II, but for whatever reason they never used that footage in an episode. IIRC, only Ken and Joe have their space suits used in actual episodes.

Hi all! That outfit that Ken is wearing in Gatchaman II #36 isn't a spacesuit. According to the model sheet for that outfit, it is Ken's Underground Exploration Team Uniform, which makes sense as he is wearing it while traveling with the Underground Exploration Team to an underground city. However, as has been pointed out, Gatchaman II did introduce the Ninja Team's spacesuits. And, yes, despite there being several instances where the entire team should have been wearing spacesuits, only Ken and Joe ever wore theirs. Designs were done for all five, though, looking like this: The entire team do appear in their spacesuits in a couple of shots in the opening credits to Gatchaman II, which you can see here, if you like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5jhtIEWg6w As for Eagle 5 Brothers, that is the name that was given to the Korean dub of the original Gatchaman when it first aired there, and was also used when the series returned to Korean TV in the mid-1990s (Which, based on the merchandise released at that time, was probably a dub of Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter, but I've never gotten that confirmed). There was also at least one bootleg Gatchaman II-based Eagle 5 Brothers home video production, likely from the 1980s, which later made its way to Spain and was released as "Heroes del Espacio." This production appears to have been made illegally by the Korean studio that Tatsunoko used for some of their animation work during Gatchaman II, and mostly used the same model sheets that Tatsunoko provided to them for their work. As a result, the characters look the same as we are used to seeing them, with no major alterations (Pandora had some changes to her dress and there was an original character design for an unmasked male Gel Sadra, but that was about it for the modifications). So, you're probably thinking of some other Korean production, but not Eagle 5 Brothers. Do you have a link to the one you're talking about? James

Oh wow- he was underground, huh? The enclosed helmet and tanks on the back made me think "space". Interesting to see the designs for spacesuits were made for the entire team...I'm going back to look at those opening credits. Thanks!

Hmm, I don't know much about the Korean one, just what I saw people discussing on Facebook. I managed to go back and find the thread, so I'll share what was said and you can tell me what was actually correct. First, some screenshots: There's a wikia post here that explains some of the confusion: Eagle 5 Brothers wikia post That's pretty much it ...

Hi all! I'd wondered if that might be what you were thinking of. That film isn't "Eagle 5 Brothers," it's "Iron Man 007." It was made in the 1970s, during a period when South Korea had banned Japanese imports, so they had no access to anime. At that time, the Korean animation studios created a number of their own animated movies which liberally borrowed elements from Japanese productions, put them in a blender, and hit 'puree.' "Iron Man 007" took concepts and story pieces from Gatchaman, the giant robot series Mazinger Z, and a sprinkling of the giant robot series Gaiking, and created their funky masterpiece. If you want to watch it, you can find it on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xark3eJH2A If Spanish is more to your liking, the film was released on home video in Mexico, and their dub of it can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l3HD_n27xs I hope this helps! James

Ah ha! Thanks!

Originally posted by tatsunokofan At that time, the Korean animation studios created a number of their own animated movies which liberally borrowed elements from Japanese productions, put them in a blender, and hit 'puree.' I hope this helps! James

Thanks, James! I just watched it and boy, you weren't kidding! LOL! That was interesting...

That is definitely shows put in a blender.