Hello, everybody. This is Rachel Lee from Korea. North or South? Guess it. I was born in 1984, when I was a 7 years old I was a big Gatchaman fan. I clearly remember that my mother watched Gatchaman with me. She used to drew pictures of Jun for me. Watching the Condor's death my mother soothed her wailing daughter saying that he is still alive somewhere in the earth. In Korea, 95 people of 100 know Gatchaman. Even a silver haired man strolling around a park knows each five character. One day I had been looking for cool images of my first love- Condor and Eagle to decorate my diary. (to print them out on the sticker paper) Googling, I found out that Gatchaman was a world-famous animation. It made me surprised and I wondered if the western people felt the same way too. That's how I came to Gatchfanfic.com As I'm still not familiar with colloquial English it was a little hard to understand the full stories however I could found them very fascinating. I had regarded writing fanfics were very childish hobby, but my prejudice is broken by garchfanfic. The site helped me a lot studying English, too. I printed favorite fanfics out and slowly read them with a dictionary. Hahaha! They're much better than news articles. Thanks to this site and authors, I could start studying English again enjoying myself. Korean language has completely different structure, so many Koreans fear English... I barely encounter someone who can speak English better than me...so please do not bother me when I leave a reply on your post requesting further explanations... I really want to fully enjoy everything of Gatchaman fandom with you! Thank you for listening. Best regards Rachel Lee PS) Transmutejun introduced this great site to me. Special thanks to her- one of my favorite author.

Welcome, Rachel! Your English is wonderful, and we are so happy to have you with us!

Welcome, Rachel! I feel both pleased and honored that you have chosen to join us. I hope you will feel free to join in our conversations and other activities. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. You'll find a lot of people here who are willing to help in any way they can. In fact, there are many people here who, like you, did not grow up speaking English, so they understand how difficult English can be. You've done the hardest part by introducing yourself. Now it's time to party! Oh, I was going to guess you were from East Korea, but that wasn't an option, so....never mind!

Hi Rachel, glad to see you made it over here. Your English is excellent btw, and don't worry if you do make the odd mistake here or there, as EW has just said, there are a few here for whom English is their second language, so you're in very good company! Welcome to the madness and hope you have fun joining in with the threads.

Welcome, Rachel! North or south doesn't matter here. While we may rant about things in the real world, the only thing that truly matters here are the Gatch worlds. Don't worry about your English, this is a great place to practice and improve.

Welcome to the site, Rachel! Hope you enjoy your time here! There's a lot of interesting threads and things to discover on the board. Certainly enough to keep you busy for the foreseeable future!

Rachel, sounds like we all have a lot in common. I love surfing the Internet for new Gatch pictures and art! Don't worry about your English. If you have any questions, just let us know.

Hi Rachel!!! It's great to have fans here from so many countries! Listen, if some of our jokes here seem a bit, I don't know, weird, to you, just say so! Sometimes very particular "dialects" are used. Only a couple of weeks ago I was asking EW what a "Hoosier" is -- turns out, it's someone from Indiana, but I wouldn't guess it just by looking at the word. Bottom line: don't worry about your English, it's absolutely fine, and just yell if you don't understand something! If any of us tried to speak Korean, it would sound MUCH worse

Hi Rachel! I'm glad you made it over. I know you've been reading through Gatchfanfic. We do enjoy helping each other, so don't feel embarrassed if you have a question. You might not be the only one.

Tee hee. Well, I'm gonna jump in the Rubber Room

Cute picture, Rachel! I'm so excited to see more of your pictures! Yes...please go check out the rubber room...I hope you are inspired there!

Did you draw that Rachel? It's very cute!

OH no, she's turning to the 'dark side' everyone! Lovely pic though, Rachel, please show us more of your work.

Add me to the list of people who want to see more of your work, Rachel! And now I'll sit back and hope you don't run into anything too shocking in the Rubber Room....

A very warm welcome, Rachel! It's great to have you here and it seems that you're an awesome artist, too! Please, don't worry about your English, which by the way is very good! I'm one of those whose first language is not English, too, so I can completely understand what you're saying! But, you're also right in saying that, whilst joining in here, you come to learn more about the language and progress to refine your writing! Joining this site and Gatchfanfic worked for me beautifully, even though I still do a lot of silly mistakes! Do ask if you'd need explanations!

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Lovely drawing, Rachel. Yes, please do share any others you have.

Yeah I drew Jun yesterday for you guys. Thanks for compliments. (ElectricWhite)And now I'll sit back and hope you don't run into anything too shocking in the Rubber Room.... Eh... Would you please let me know which post in the rubber room is that too-shocking?? I'm just ready oh stop teasing me!!!! (I need to make it clear that I'm not asking EW to tease me with not allowing me to know about it./ Korean Joke// a masochist: Please tease me, abuse me, seduce me. a sadist: Nope. a masochist: aghhaaa!!!!!!!!!!)

Originally posted by rachel a masochist: Please tease me, abuse me, seduce me. a sadist: Nope. a masochist: aghhaaa!!!!!!!!!!)

Well, it looks like I've got no reason to worry! Have fun in the Rubber Room, Rachel!

Rachel, as soon as I woke up this morning I heard about North Korea shelling South Korea. I know that tensions between the two countries have been intense lately. Is everything okay where you're at?

I just read that, too. Stay safe, Rachel!

Hi Rachel! I'm glad you made it to this site! I am sorry it took me a few days to welcome you, but I was away for the weekend and not online. I am so glad that you enjoy all of our fanfics, and I agree, it's a wonderful way to learn another language! I hope you have fun looking around the site.

Hi all! And hello Rachel! Welcome aboard! If you can please excuse my being so forward, I was hoping you might be able to clear up a question I've had regarding Gatchaman in Korea. As I understand it, during the 1990s, Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter were shown in Korea on KBS. I am wondering if you know if these were the same versions of Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter that aired in Japan in 1978~1980, or if they were a newly created versions of those series, unique to Korea? The reason why I am asking is that, in the late 1990s, a version of Gatchaman II that had never been seen before appeared in Spain, titled "Heroes del Espacio." A few examples of Korean text appeared in "Heroes del Espacio," indicating that this was produced in Korea. The speculation has been that the source for this material was the version of Gatchaman II that was airing in Korea in the 1990s, but no one has been able to confirm or deny this. I was hoping that you might be able to solve the mystery once and for all! Some examples of the differences between the Japanese Gatchaman II and Heroes del Espacio include things like Gel Sadra being a man instead of a woman, Jun running a restaurant with "Yumi" on the door instead of "Jun," Jinpei having a Peter Pan-like dream sequence with the girl from Gatchaman episode #6 in the role of Wendy (Which never appeared in Gatchaman II), Dr. Pandora wearing a red dress (She always a blue on in Gatchaman II), and Gel Sadra attacking X in the two headed dragon Iron Beast from Gatchaman II episode #38 (Gel Sadra did not attack X using any Iron Beast, and the two headed dragon only appeared in that one episode of Gatchaman II). If it will help, here are some pictures from Heroes del Espacio showing images from these examples, as well as showing the Korean text. Does any of this look familiar? Was this what was shown on Korean TV in the 1990s? Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!! James

Dear EW, BR It's true that I'm living in the hottest spot for WordWar 3.(US vs China) Most Korean young people do not pay attention to it, so I've just known about the bombing by your comment. It is really ridiculous, isn't it? Recently, I do not watch TV at all. Because all the media has been seized by ruling party(Senuri-Dang. Senuri means 'the new world', Dang means 'political party'). For now, Korea is not democratic country. It's very complicated story to explain.... EW in your point of view, the bombing may look very dangerous, but many Korean think this is carefully prepared by South&North Korean ruling parties. On 4/19, general election is going to take place. This bombomb-show is to support Senuri-Dang candidates by threatening the old people.(who still has negative trauma during the Korean War.) These kind of are ALWAYS happening just before the elections. What is more, these bombs are thrown on the sea, so there is no one even talk about it around me. 1.Korea was once Japan's colony during 1910~1945. 2.The ruling class eagerly sold their country to Japan. 3.After Japan was defeated by US, world war2, they supported US government, US gladly accepted them. 4.Korean War was the god-given chance for them. Traitors could gain masks of False War Heroes. 5.Several dictators ruled Korea almost for 30 years. During that period US supported Korean economy, so Korean people fantasized about dictation that strong leader brings economic prosperity. 6.During the era of dictators, a lot of Korean people died or severely tortured. If a drunken citizen murmured "stupid president!!!" at a bar, police dragged him to the torturing chambers. 7.In late 80's citizens finally defeated the dictators, the first direct presidential election was held. 8.Several days before the election, a passenger plane was blew up on its way to Seoul from Dubai. Government announced that it was done by North, appealing that decent Korean must protect the War Heroes...finally, the last dictator's close friend became the president. 9.Regarding the airplane terror, the families of victims still do not admit that it was done by the North. They say the terror was done by the Dictator. They're refusing their lost family to be called "the dead", they insists that their sons and daughters are still "missing". 10.Next president was a betrayer of his colleagues-who fought against the dictators together. 11.Next two presidents are the true democratic ones. Still beloved by half of Korean people.(the second one committed suicide after his resignation-2009) 12.Next one is a nasty fraud!! Even my father who loves those dictators admits that he is a fucking bastard!!!!! When he was a member of national council, his wife was captured by custom officers at the airport. They found BIG diamond rings on her toes. He himself evaded public medical insurance charges disguising his occupation as a low-wage gate guard of his own building. And a journalist found illegal prostitution chambers in his building, too. What i'm saying about him is just small minors. Now, you may wonder how this guy could be a president of a country. 13.To make the long story short, over a decade during the two democratic presidents, Korean people suffered from economic recession(it was caused by the dictators..). That fraud enticed Korean people saying that "Democracy itself does not provide you a meal!!! I'll make all the people rich! I'm the only one who can protect the price of your house!!!" Many Korean knew he was not a decent person, but they cast their votes for him hoping their house price would not collapse. (In Korea, an apartment house is a normal citizen's whole property.) 14.That fraud was afraid of being after his resignation. So he decided to slander Mr.Moon who was the most strong presidential candidate. He is also the closest colleague of President.Noh.(Who committed suicide in 2009. it was my wedding day I cried on the airplane all the way to the honeymoon). 15.the opposite candidate was Miss.Park who is a daughter of one of the dictators who was killed by his general in 1979. The dictator was drinking with female university students who were dragged by CheHongSa from their campus.(Che: collect, Hong: flowers, Sa: government officials) Many old people love him. They think economic prosperity is the most important thing, so 'minor faults' should be forgiven. Democracy in Korea was not given by themselves, it was implanted by US after World War 2. Now Korea is being chocked by it again. Old people still want to live in a Kingdom ruled by a Messiah. Young people are longing for the true democracy. Anyway, the last presidential election 2012 in Korea was < Dictator's descendant VS Democracy Guardian >. 16.During the election campaign, Miss.Park and that fraud were alleged to hire people whose mission were writing nasty comments on Mr.Moon on the internet news articles and twitters. These days, almost every Korean people read portal site's news. Paper newspapers are only found in restaurants, hair saloon, etc. So the influence was dramatic. 17.Just one week before the election day, citizens who were tracking those people succeeded to catch one of them. Surprisingly, it was a young female- a NIS agent. (NIS: National Intelligence Service. it does the same work as CIA) She left countless nasty false and praises about the on the famous internet communities which were popular among young people. 18.The day before the election day, the final TV debate was held. Mr.Moon accused Miss.park that she and Mr.Lee(the fraud president) are committing serious crime. Miss.Park countered that Mr.Moon is abusing . When the debate had just finished, the chief of the police agency announced on the TV that they didn't find any evidence on the NIS agent. It dramatically influenced the voters. Finally, Miss.Park became the president. Despite of using dirty means, she barely won Mr.Moon- 3.6% more than him. 19.Now the female agent and other NIS members are in the court. The chief police was just fired for his . 20.Many people was upset by this, they held large protests in front of Seoul City Hall, but TV media didn't come to the site....now, everyone is just exhausted...me, too. These days TV reporters say Miss.Park wore very beautiful Korean traditional costumes during her official trip abroad, she shed tears at the banquet hearing Korean immigrant's dramatic stories....she is raising cute puppies in the presidential residence....Miss.Park's fashion sense is so elegant, a foreign president complimented that...bla bla....What the fuck.... That's why I don't watch TV at all these days. The recent bombing is for: 1.Election show to support Miss.Park's fellows. 2.To take off people's attention on the court.(NIS agents) In 1997, Senuri-Dang's presidential candidate requested North Korea to shot soldiers guarding the border lines. In South Korea, every male have to serve two years in military. So most soldiers are college or university students. How horrible. isn't it?? But major media did not report about it sincerely. The contaminated supreme court only punished his subordinates. What is more, none of his own sons served as soldiers, because of So, if your TV says North Korea attacked South Korea, you could regard as below. 1.Election is coming soon~! Wee-Hee!! 2.Senuri-Dang wants to take off public attentions on their corruptions! I just want you to know that at many Korean people do not regard Miss.Park as their true president. She raped my country. We're just helplessly awaiting for the next presidential election. Knowing that Senuri-Dang will do EVERYTHING to win, so we're really frustrated... When I was young, election day was nothing more than an holiday. I really reprimand myself...I took democracy for granted, just like oxygen in the air. I accepted media without any doubts, my concerns were clothes, nice restaurants, dates etc... When President.Noh(suicide) was nearly been impeached by Senuri-Dang, I hoped that he would be kicked out so I could go to theme parks or somewhere else on the election day...really embarrassing. Now I'm paying for it. Collapsed democracy can't protect me anymore. I just hope that Senuri-Dang would not request North Korea to throw bombs in residential area in Seoul. Of course, during the decade of two democratic presidents, North Korea used to attack South Korea. But the attacks were not MUTUALLY PREPARED at least. Purpose of the attack was to soothe Kim's frustrated generals or to gain ace cards against US. Ha...anyway everybody here pay attention to your own democracy systems....or you gonna pay for it someday. Thank you EW for worrying me.

Originally posted by tatsunokofan Hi all! And hello Rachel! Welcome aboard! If you can please excuse my being so forward, I was hoping you might be able to clear up a question I've had regarding Gatchaman in Korea. As I understand it, during the 1990s, Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter were shown in Korea on KBS. I am wondering if you know if these were the same versions of Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter that aired in Japan in 1978~1980, or if they were a newly created versions of those series, unique to Korea? The reason why I am asking is that, in the late 1990s, a version of Gatchaman II that had never been seen before appeared in Spain, titled "Heroes del Espacio." A few examples of Korean text appeared in "Heroes del Espacio," indicating that this was produced in Korea. The speculation has been that the source for this material was the version of Gatchaman II that was airing in Korea in the 1990s, but no one has been able to confirm or deny this. I was hoping that you might be able to solve the mystery once and for all! Some examples of the differences between the Japanese Gatchaman II and Heroes del Espacio include things like Gel Sadra being a man instead of a woman, Jun running a restaurant with "Yumi" on the door instead of "Jun," Jinpei having a Peter Pan-like dream sequence with the girl from Gatchaman episode #6 in the role of Wendy (Which never appeared in Gatchaman II), Dr. Pandora wearing a red dress (She always a blue on in Gatchaman II), and Gel Sadra attacking X in the two headed dragon Iron Beast from Gatchaman II episode #38 (Gel Sadra did not attack X using any Iron Beast, and the two headed dragon only appeared in that one episode of Gatchaman II). If it will help, here are some pictures from Heroes del Espacio showing images from these examples, as well as showing the Korean text. Does any of this look familiar? Was this what was shown on Korean TV in the 1990s? Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!! James

Dear James. It seems new to me too. I've heard that several Korean animation companies which cooperated with Tatsnoko.Production produced their own version of Gatchaman. Most of Gatchaman cells are made in Korea.(cheaper labor costs than Japan) I think these are one of them. Decades ago in Korea, Video rental shops were very popular. I think these unique versions are for the rental shops.

Originally posted by rachel

Originally posted by tatsunokofan Hi all! And hello Rachel! Welcome aboard! If you can please excuse my being so forward, I was hoping you might be able to clear up a question I've had regarding Gatchaman in Korea. As I understand it, during the 1990s, Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter were shown in Korea on KBS. I am wondering if you know if these were the same versions of Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter that aired in Japan in 1978~1980, or if they were a newly created versions of those series, unique to Korea? The reason why I am asking is that, in the late 1990s, a version of Gatchaman II that had never been seen before appeared in Spain, titled "Heroes del Espacio." A few examples of Korean text appeared in "Heroes del Espacio," indicating that this was produced in Korea. The speculation has been that the source for this material was the version of Gatchaman II that was airing in Korea in the 1990s, but no one has been able to confirm or deny this. I was hoping that you might be able to solve the mystery once and for all! Some examples of the differences between the Japanese Gatchaman II and Heroes del Espacio include things like Gel Sadra being a man instead of a woman, Jun running a restaurant with "Yumi" on the door instead of "Jun," Jinpei having a Peter Pan-like dream sequence with the girl from Gatchaman episode #6 in the role of Wendy (Which never appeared in Gatchaman II), Dr. Pandora wearing a red dress (She always a blue on in Gatchaman II), and Gel Sadra attacking X in the two headed dragon Iron Beast from Gatchaman II episode #38 (Gel Sadra did not attack X using any Iron Beast, and the two headed dragon only appeared in that one episode of Gatchaman II). If it will help, here are some pictures from Heroes del Espacio showing images from these examples, as well as showing the Korean text. Does any of this look familiar? Was this what was shown on Korean TV in the 1990s? Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!! James

Dear James. It seems new to me too. I've heard that several Korean animation companies which cooperated with Tatsnoko.Production produced their own version of Gatchaman. Most of Gatchaman cells are made in Korea.(cheaper labor costs than Japan) I think these are one of them. Decades ago in Korea, Video rental shops were very popular. I think these unique versions are for the rental shops. As I said, Gatchaman was really popular not only children but also adults(parents), so Korean version could be profitable enough.

So much going on in your part of the world right now...stay safe, Rachel! I hope things calm down soon... James, those shots are truly fascinating! I'm curious now, too!

Rachel, I think that every democracy struggles with the powerful trying to manipulate everyone. It's up to the voters to stay informed and catch on and try not to fall for it, yet that's a lot harder than it seems, apparently. :/ I'm quite interested in the answers to James' questions, too! He's kind of our resident Gatchaman historian.

James, I'll ask a Korean Gatchaman blogger about the question. She seems to be born in early 1970's, so she would have better idea than me.

I'm glad to hear you're all right, Rachel! And thanks for explaining the political situation in South Korea; the American media rarely says anything about what it's like in South Korea. Instead, we get stories that show Kim Jong Un as another crazy guy who might start a war because he's young and might feel like he's not being taken seriously. There's one thing I found funny -- when you said that "Dang" means "political party" in Korean. Well, in some English-speaking regions, "dang" is used instead of "damn". It just seems right that a political party's name is also a swear-word!

Originally posted by ElectricWhite There's one thing I found funny -- when you said that "Dang" means "political party" in Korean. Well, in some English-speaking regions, "dang" is used instead of "damn". It just seems right that a political party's name is also a swear-word!

Isn't that the truth...

Rachel - first of all, thank you for the explanations of the political reality in South Korea. It's true that, in Europe, we don't seem to care much about it, unless there's a crisis (I'm Greek but I live in Belgium). And you're absolutely right when you say "everybody here pay attention to your own democracy systems....or you gonna pay for it someday" -- this is what is happening back home...

Welcome, Rachel! It's great to have you here. Love the pic!

Jublke// thank you for the welcome Others// Thank you for listening Korean's situation. James// I contacted other Korean blogger, but he refused to share the film worrying about illegal distribution on the internet. I've just found that Korean National Cinema Archives are preserving the films. Maybe there will be no problem for me to visit KNCA and watch the movie there, but I'm not sure they would lend it to me. If I could get the film, I'll make English subtitles for you. I'm going to call KNCA tomorrow. The blogger complimented that the movie is really well-made masterpiece. It was made by SamJung Production, which produced Gatchaman animation cells. Under Tatsnoko's agreement, SamJung made the film for Cinemas in 1980. Quality of every drawing was awesome, scenario was well organized and action scenes were very powerful. The blogger complimented that Korean Cinema version is far better than original Gatchaman. I'm really excited! Anyway, I'll post the results tomorrow.

Originally posted by ElectricWhite I'm glad to hear you're all right, Rachel! And thanks for explaining the political situation in South Korea; the American media rarely says anything about what it's like in South Korea. Instead, we get stories that show Kim Jong Un as another crazy guy who might start a war because he's young and might feel like he's not being taken seriously.

Both North and South Korea don't have any power to initiate the war. As South is belong to US, North is belong to China. Kim Jong Un is just a puppet of his aunt.(younger sis of Kim Jung Ill) Even if his young boiling blood wants a war, without China's consent he can't make a move. If Korea War starts again, it will be done by US or China. Korean media just regard Kim Jong Un as a hollywood celebrity. News are reporting his hair styles and the price of Christian Dior Bag in his young wife's hand! Several months ago, main TV news loudly reported that Kim Jong Un trimmed his eyebrows neatly to show his determined mind to his generals. -_- Can't believe it? Here is evidence. If your TV threatens you mentioning tough guy Kim, you just laugh~ How cute he is!

Fascinating stuff, both on the Gatch front and political. That newscaster looks very confused. That'd be awesome to see the Korean version subtitled in English! How exciting! I suppose it's too old to be able to purchase a legitimate copy? (Perhaps there's a used one ...)

Oh, and are there any good Korean fan sites with Gatch art, etc? It's always fun to discover new artists.

Today I called KNCA. They said < Doksuri-O-HyungJe > is a movie film roll, not a video tape. It is sleeping deep in the archives for eternal preservation, not available for public inspection. Ah...!! Next I contacted operated by government, But they didn't have the video tape too. In 1880's there were only six animations released for theaters in Korea. So I expected I could find it but I just failed. I also called five used video tape wholesalers. Only two shops knew about the tape. They told me that the video tape is so rare, so give in. I whined repeatedly, one of them promised me to keep searching it, and the other said that he would contact private collectors whether they could provide their item for copying. SamJung finished its business so long long time ago, so I think copyright will not be a problem. But if I find out that its copyright is still valid, I can only provide screenshots. please note.

Originally posted by ChrisW Oh, and are there any good Korean fan sites with Gatch art, etc? It's always fun to discover new artists.

http://yunt80.blog.me/20200538203 http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2775&l=20821 http://m.thisisgame.com/pad/tboard/?board=25&n=90121 These are Korean fan's art that I've found. Despite of its old popularity, there is no Gatchaman fandom site in Korea. Because Koreans underestimated animation industries, they regarded animations as childish preference. Believe it or not when I was a primary school student, parents and teachers gathered piles of comic books forfeited from their children on the schoolyard(every May 5th, Children's day), then set fire. They thought comic books keep their kids from studying. When I bought my first comic magazine under my mother's agreement, at that night my father slapped me and tore it into pieces and threw them into my face. He allowed me watching TV animations because it could be under his control, but he did not allowed comic books. My father was just typical Korean parents. In 1960~1980 almost cartoonists hid their real name. Many professional animation bloggers insists that the dictators did not wanted Korean children to be creative, they just wanted children were tied up on the desks. They only wanted submissive labor robots that's why they suppressed comic/animation industries. Not only animation, dictators also hated movie industries, singers, painters, and novel writers too. In this kind of environment, Animation fans were just meant to be quiet. Really strange. Almost every Korean over 30 likes Gatchaman, but there is no single fandom site. Evangerion might be the first animation which has Korean fandom communities. These days culture minister(Miss.Park's henchman who also supported her dictator father) complains that why Korean animators do not produce animations like or which can bring enormous dollars to the government.... This may be the reason why Gatchaman Korean version video tape is so rare. Korean parents might not mind to bring their children to the Cinema, but they would not want to purchase video tape. It could be out of their controls. Its consumers were only rental shop owners. There is another reason of lack of Gatchaman fan arts in Korea. In my country, fan arts are mainly done by teenagers. Not only Gatchaman is not familiar with them, but also Ken, Joe, Jun are not that cool characters for them. when Gatchaman Crowds's concept arts had been released, some old gatchaman fans were frustrated so much. They insisted that Crowds does not deserve the name of Gatchaman. Their attitude irritated young students who were awaiting for Crowds. (I did nothing with it!! I'm innocent!!) The angry teenagers decided to contaminate the original Gatchaman. They captured Gatchaman screenshots and maliciously arranged the pictures, then distributed them all over the internet communities. People under 20 think that Gatchaman is a freaky animation. Ken's nickname is , Joe's nickname is , and Jun is called as .(it means a sly girl who always entices males around her so that she could get a new boyfriend soon, after breaking up with ex.) You may think that Korean teenagers are very wicked. But I think they are just frustrated about their stressful lives. Contaminating their parent's favorite animation heroes is somewhat very exciting. It is a mean of their emotional outlet. That's why many Korean teenagers enjoy ridiculing Gatchaman characters.

I have to laugh at what you are saying, Rachel! I can see exactly why the younger teenagers are frustrated with their parents' attitudes, yet at the same time, I agree with the parents that Crowds is *not* Gatchaman and doesn't deserve the name! I can see how living under such censorship as a child has impacted you, but I'm glad to see that it has made you stronger, and not more fearful.

These are Japanese fan art site. They're really goooood~~ http://gatchaman.que.jp/fanart.htmlhttp://gatchaman.que.jp/fanart.html http://gatchaman.que.jp/cgi-bin/snackj5/c_board.cgi?page=10&mode=move&pass=&u_max=&tmplhttp://gatchaman.que.jp/cgi-bin/snackj5/c_board.cgi?page=10&mode=move&pass=&u_max=&tmpl http://imageokiba.masa-mune.jp/http://imageokiba.masa-mune.jp/

Thank you so much for the links Rachel ! Edit: I'm sorry--- didn't see you had posted another message before the last one. It's very interesting to hear how your parents (and school) viewed comics when you were younger. I tend to think parents in the U.S. felt that way about them a long time ago. I can't imagine a school burning comic books.....

Thank you for educating me on the Korean situation Rachel and for the links to fan art sites. I love finding new art work from artists who I have never seen before.

I agree that the information you have shared about Korean society is very fascinating. It's one thing for us to look in and make assumptions. Quite another to hear the inside scoop. Thanks!

Thanks so much for those links! Some of them I had seen before, but some were new to me. It's always exciting to see new Gatchaman fan art!

That drawing - which is fantastic - looks an awful lot like Diinzumo's style to me. Is it possible that is a Bird Scramble cover that has been altered ... or perhaps someone copied her style as they drew it?

Rachel, I totally agree about Crowds, I'm one of those snobs who's really annoyed that it has the word "Gatchaman" attached to it. That's really fascinating about Korean culture when it comes to animation and comics. I can see how that could be scarring and make it hard for fan culture to emerge even later. Those nicknames for Ken, Joe, and Jun are pretty funny (to me, anyway). Teens do like to find ways to anger their adult "oppressors," don't they? Like others have mentioned, many American parents (and Canadian) had no respect for comics and/or animation as their children got older, seeing them only as distractions and childish. Yet many Americans/Canadians considered themselves comic book collectors. My husband went away to university and came home to find that his parents had thrown all of his comics away. He was quite upset! There's still an American/Canadian perception that comics and animation is for children, but broader exposure to foreign animation and expanded comics/graphic novels and animation aimed at adult markets has changed things somewhat over here. Thanks so much for the site links. I'm all excited to go explore and find new art!

Oh and thank you for looking for those tapes! I'm sure James is happy to learn anything he can about the Korean version even if he can't see it.

In 1770's, dictators didn't let men's hair grow long. And miniskirts were illegal. Gatchaman was released after disposal of these ridiculous laws. No one might not be brave enough to import foreign animation whose heroes's hairstyles were illegal. This is what happens if G-force would have visited Korea in 70's.

Originally posted by jublke Is it possible that is a Bird Scramble cover that has been altered .?

Deaar Jublke. Sorry, I can't understand. Would you please explain more?

Oh no, I always loved that messy hair! I suppose Jun would have been in big trouble, too, if she'd been in Birdstyle with that miniskirt.

Originally posted by rachel

Originally posted by jublke Is it possible that is a Bird Scramble cover that has been altered .?

Deaar Jublke. Sorry, I can't understand. Would you please explain more?

Hi Rachel: The drawing you found and posted looks very familiar to me. I was wondering if someone had tried to draw in the style of a Gatch fan artist named Diinzumo. She used to draw some of the cover pictures for the Amateur Press Association quarterly magazine Bird Scramble (several of us on here are members - we can use some new members, hint hint!). I was wondering if anyone else thought the picture looked familiar. Sometimes Diinzumo drew her pictures in black and white, so I also wondered if someone could have taken her drawing and colorized it. It could also be that there is no relationship between Diinzumo and this other artist. In this case, I might have offended the artist - sorry! Bottom line, it's a great drawing, no matter who drew it. Jublke

Originally posted by jublke

Originally posted by rachel

Originally posted by jublke Is it possible that is a Bird Scramble cover that has been altered .?

Deaar Jublke. Sorry, I can't understand. Would you please explain more?

Hi Rachel: The drawing you found and posted looks very familiar to me. I was wondering if someone had tried to draw in the style of a Gatch fan artist named Diinzumo. She used to draw some of the cover pictures for the Amateur Press Association quarterly magazine Bird Scramble (several of us on here are members - we can use some new members, hint hint!). I was wondering if anyone else thought the picture looked familiar. Sometimes Diinzumo drew her pictures in black and white, so I also wondered if someone could have taken her drawing and colorized it. It could also be that there is no relationship between Diinzumo and this other artist. In this case, I might have offended the artist - sorry! Bottom line, it's a great drawing, no matter who drew it. Jublke

Hi Jublke! Nope - that is not a Diinzumo classic, but an original by one of the Japanese fan artists... Don't recall which one right off the top of my head... I have all of the BS! covers scanned... once my personal website migrates to my new server, I'll post another link and let everyone enjoy... -Boeke

Rachel did you do that drawing of Ken getting his hair cut? It's really good- and really funny! Now I'm wondering what they'd all look like with haircuts! *grin*

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Originally posted by rachel These are Japanese fan art site. They're really goooood~~ http://gatchaman.que.jp/fanart.htmlhttp://gatchaman.que.jp/fanart.html http://gatchaman.que.jp/cgi-bin/snackj5/c_board.cgi?page=10&mode=move&pass=&u_max=&tmplhttp://gatchaman.que.jp/cgi-bin/snackj5/c_board.cgi?page=10&mode=move&pass=&u_max=&tmpl http://imageokiba.masa-mune.jp/http://imageokiba.masa-mune.jp/

That's actually one of my favorites of Ken.

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Originally posted by rachel These are Japanese fan art site. They're really goooood~~ http://gatchaman.que.jp/fanart.htmlhttp://gatchaman.que.jp/fanart.html http://gatchaman.que.jp/cgi-bin/snackj5/c_board.cgi?page=10&mode=move&pass=&u_max=&tmplhttp://gatchaman.que.jp/cgi-bin/snackj5/c_board.cgi?page=10&mode=move&pass=&u_max=&tmpl http://imageokiba.masa-mune.jp/http://imageokiba.masa-mune.jp/

That's actually one of my favorites of Ken.

It's one of my favorites, too! Love that expression on his face!

I am very impressed! My apologies to the Japanese artist. Very nice.

I can't believe they actually went around with measuring sticks to check people for hair and skirt length, but the pictures don't lie. In one of the pictures, the men have their heads down. Are they ashamed their hair is too long, are they hiding their faces to not be identified, or feel beaten?

Originally posted by Becky Rock In one of the pictures, the men have their heads down. Are they ashamed their hair is too long, are they hiding their faces to not be identified, or feel beaten?

They didn't think their hairstyles are shameful. They're just lowering their heads down not to be identified. In 1880, these regulations had been disposed of. But in middle and high schools still ban student's "untidy" hairstyles. Korean females who are order 4~5 years than me(I'm 30) couldn't raise their hair more than 3cm from her earlobe. When I was a student, long hairs were accepted, but I couldn't had my hair dyed or curled. Female students had to bind her hair with a black plain rubber band. If its color is not black or there is a decorative charm on it, teachers forfeited the band. One day one of my aunt who lived in England gave me very beautiful ponytail holders. I brought them to school to show off to my classmates. But one jealous girl tattled to the homeroom teacher. She took them away from my backpack. Next day my mother visited the school with a fruits basket, and pleaded her to return them. I was sobbing next to my mother. LOL. Also, only white panties and bras were allowed for female students. Sometimes female teachers looked into inside of school uniforms to find out "BAD underwear" and male homeroom teacher had girls jacket off and ordered her to band her back to check white bra under her blouse. (These days school teachers do not inspect girl's underwear.) When he ordered me to band my back, I didn't feel embarrassed or being insulted. I just accepted it without any question, I just thought that he was guiding students into right ways. These regulations were stricter in private schools. There is high possibility that women around my age who attended public schools didn't experienced at least underwear checking. In Korea, 40% of middle and high school is private, and the almost owners are member of Senuri-Dang. As I said before, Senuri-Dang members are descendants of traitors. After Japanese left Korea after world war 2 they hurriedly established schools to soothe angry people. Well, you may understand what I'm trying to say.(private schools are counting on government supports. the owner only give out 1.5% of budget. Running a school is very very profitable business in Korea) Anyway, is a hot potato still. Also is a hot issue, too. I was also experienced physical punishment. I was not that frequently beaten, but it was my common school life watching other students being beaten. Seeing purple bruises on my friend's thigh or calves was really horrible. So I desperately strove to follow the every regulations set by teachers. In my school if class's exam results were not satisfactory, homeroom teachers used to beat us because it made the teacher stay away from . Parents welcomed punishments so their girls could enter high rank universities. One day a homeroom teacher next to my class, he was entitled to that . It was his first , so the gleeful young teacher brought his girls to a Chinese restaurant. Finally we had known about the . It really made every student upset. After that, the young teacher was bullied by his colleagues. When the anti-Senuri superintendent of education was elected, Senuri was really horrified by it. He tried to ban physical punishments, allow free hairstyles and guarantee the freedom of assembly for students.(it is banned by law) Also he wanted private school's accounts to be transparent, the process of employment of teachers should be clean. He also insisted that teachers who were accused by sexual harassment upon girls should be kicked out of the school forever.(Sexual harassment in school is mainly done by male teachers who is a relative of school owner) After the election, he was accused by Senuri that he forced the other anti-Senuri candidate not to participate in the election. He was sentenced a year of prison labor in 2012, but he was released after 6 months. It was a really big scandal, but main media didn't reported his release sincerely. So many elder people consider that he is still in a jail. Though he was sentenced only a year, and today is 2014. The prosecutor demanded 4 years, and the media loudly babbled it. But when the judge finally gave him a year of prison labor, they became silent. Many Korean do not know the difference between prosecutor's demand and final judgement. This is typical mean how Senuri-Dang contaminate their enemy's reputations. Senuri-Dang itself consists of descendants of dictators, high government officials, big business owners and dirty medias. They are bounded each other by marriages like a spiderweb. The school I attended was owned by the largest cosmetic company in Korea. And the owner had his daughter marry a son of the newspaper proprietor who runs the largest paper media. I do not buy any cosmetics produced by them. I patronize MAC, Benefits and other foreign brands. I do not buy them at the large department store, because they are owned by Senuri-Dang members too. Sometimes I feel really exhausted to evade them cause they are all around me, but I just can't stop it remembering the true patriots who were killed or assassinated by dictators. It's very hard to stay awake. I can understand the traitor guy in the movie Matrix 1. He betrays his colleagues. He says he would rather choose fake steaks rather than disgusting real meals. Sometimes I wish I could turn back time to the moment when I didn't aware of uncomfortable truth. Recently my husband delivered an disappointing political news to me. Then I showed my irritation accusing him that he is ruining my sophisticated teatime with French black tea!! LOL. I WAS IN THE RUBBER ROOM READING "SMUTS"

Thank you for sharing your experiences with us, Rachel. I've never heard of many of the things you've told us. We have very different societies.

Rachel, your experiences of school punishments sound very harsh (hard and severe) to me. When I went to Catholic school (I am 45), there were lots of rules about school uniforms, but no one was beaten or had their underwear checked. My best friend did wear fingernail polish to school one day in 7th or 8th grade (she was about 13), and the nuns sent her to the bathroom to chip all of the polish off by hand. That was about as severe as punishments were. You might get yelled at or your parents got yelled at, but no one got bruised. Catholic school today still has lots of rules about length of hair and how much jewelry you can wear and how short the girls' skirts are. You don't see much of this in U.S. public schools.

My father went to Catholic school as a kid and was beaten there. I think in the US it's a generation thing, our parents endured it and then it got better. I love learning about different countries, Rachel, I read all of your posts with great interest! It certainly can be very hard to avoid supporting people/causes/companies you feel are wrong. There always seem to be companies owned by companies owned by companies so it's difficult to be sure. We can only do the best we can, and I think there is great value in using our wallets to avoid sending money into such people's pockets. Your efforts are not in vain even if it is exhausting at times. Real, meaningful change takes time and vigilance.

Hi Rachel! Welcome! Your English is really good!