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Ah, you've raised her too well... there'll be no winning an argument with her ever again if she can reason like that.

She obviously put alot of thought into her argument! I hate to tell you this Imi, but it sounds like your hooped! Good luck when she decides she wants a car!

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LOL!..I dont have to tell her, I already showed her this thread!... Im done for (gulp!>...you should have seen the biggest grin on her face ! Drat it. Daughter ..Uno...Imi...Nada . (starts saving da pennies for daughters future car)

Never mind Imi. Could always revert to the old age one of you are consider old enough when: 1) You are old enough to vote in national/local elections. 2) You are LEGALLY old enough to drink alcohol. 3) You are working and can afford to buy your car etc and deal with the consequences of that late night out when you have work in the morning. I am sure other Gatch members can think of lots more. Never give up Imi the wonderful thing about being a parent is when the tantrums turn to discussions as oppose to having to write things down to get your view point across.

Originally posted by Firebird ...and deal with the consequences of that late night out when you have work in the morning.

umm, seems then I've yet to reach adulthood or maturity. * Grins at 1.34am when there is an 8.15am start for work in less than seven hours* Actually I would have said adulthood is when you take life's events with a shrug and half smile and can sit with a sage Yoda like look on face without over reacting to the injustices and boundaries of society. Actually its when you dont give a stuff about what society thinks, dont worry so much about how you appear to others, and can take the responsiblity and accountability of your actions without being defensive or blaming others. er....like I said..seems then I've yet to reach adulthood OR maturity.

S'okay Imi, Im a firm believer that you're only as old as you act! Unfortunately, that would make my daughter around 49 years old. *sigh* It's hard living with a 10 year old whose I.Q. is higher than mine.

LOL!!.. I know what you mean...whatever you do however,..DONT ever acknowledge that fact in front of them.!

bit random, but some thoughts: Oh, Imi, you made that fatal mistake of encouraging her to use her brains, listening to her, and giving her alternatives to tearing things apart when she doesn't get her way. My grandmother apparently believed that 21 was magic. Not that she assumed that aging was sufficient -- she did teach her kids thtools -- but at 21, they suddenly 'passed'. Good point about the adults doing youth things. "Do it now while you still can," just doesn't mean the same thing. Though, to me, adulthood means your responsibilities affect others who can't pick up if you drop, and they don't stop at summer break. There's always the tallk show guest daughter, age 15: If you had trusted me more, I wouldn't have *had* to take the car on that 1 a.m. joy-ride with my boyfriend last month that ended up in the ditch. Face it, ladies, Little Imi's got perserverence, a good, safe way to both let off frustration and get her piont across, and brains. And a safe place to fine-tune them before she has to rely on them without the safety net. I think adulthood begins when you hear your mother's voice in your ear, acknowledge that it has some merit, adjust your self-made safety net in case she was right, and then make up your own mind, and, even if you make the same decision she would recommend, you still see it as your decision. It includes realizing that 5 hours of chores a week, on top of schoolwork, Maybe it's the first time you watch someone younger than yourself try to explain to her that a year or two will make a big difference in how she sees it -- how does this apply to curfew? hey, my 6-year old is old enough not to get too upset when his little sister acts her age and insists on playing her way, bot thinks it incredibly unfair that he has to set the table.

Hell Cricket, even I think it's unfair when I have to set the table, ofcourse I'm usually cooking and washing the dishes and clearing the table too. *sigh* Too late for that Imi. Unfortunately the school psychologist told her when they got the results. Bad news, she has a psychomotor and short term memory disability, or something like that (Why can't they just explain this stuff in plain english?). Good news (for her) She now gets all her tests except math orally and I have to write down her homework answers for her. (She's still gloating, little brat.) Sometimes I hate being a mom.

Oooh, Ashke, so glad they're actually listening to the results and workign with them! We had fun with my brother. Some schools and teachers were great. Others? They actually took him out of "resource" because the teacher insisted on giving him penmanship exercises (this was just before PCs came in, but my parents knew he'd always have a typewriter) instead of the extra time and/or person to dicatate tests to. On the other hand, he took typing in summer school before highschool, and would have failed except the teacher talked to my parents and decided that he had worked very hard, and had learned an important life-skill, even if he hadn't met the speed requirements. Cricket

You are right Cricket, and I am grateful. I just wish they'd done it back in grade 2 when we first noticed a problem. Two years of Sylvan Learning Center to get her up to speed was really expensive!

If the Sylvan system worked for her, it was worth it, esp given the alternatives. Pay now, or pay later. And you'll be able to look back and say you made the investment when it counted, rather than after the damage was done.

Too true!!! They told me they were amazed she could actually read considering the severity of her disability, however they also tried to blame our early intervention as the reason they didn't catch it themselves. I guess it didn't help when my daughter told them it wasn't her fault they were morons and should have listened to her mommy and her grade three teacher in the first place. *Sigh* Next Lesson: Tact and Diplomacy.

Have you ever noticed how kids can express themselves better than most adults? Not that i'm a parent, and after reading the last few posts it is with relief that i'm not.......i have too much trouble organising my own life than having to worry about someone elses. As for my thoughts on age v's maturity......in my teens and early 20's i was pretty under the thumb, i left the rebelling till late 20's and after. So having a late 20's who has so much more available to her can be more dangerous than a teen who has more controls over what they have access to. My late 20's were pretty out of control by some standards, but then i have friends who are the same age or older going through divorces behaving in a similar way to how i was at an earlier age. Come to think about it, my behaviour came about after a relationship break up too. Age is a state of mind. IMHO

*snicker* Hey, I'm NEVER gonna "mature"!!! that is one word that is way too close to "manure" as far as I am concerned. I will always have the maturity level of a 14 year old and I'm proud of it!

*flops down on couch and tosses Cricket a pop* Cool! Is Inuyasha on?

OOMPH!..Hey Getoffame!!! *Growls and pushes Ashke from couch where was lying down watching Cowboy Bebop., snatching remote control back off her* No Way Im watching Inuyasha!.. *pulls tongue settling back in*

*sniffles from spot on the floor* But . . . but . . . I WANNA WATCH INUYASHA!!! *Pulls a Sailor Moon crying fit* Meanie! LOL!

[God love ya Ashke you made me smile..I shouldnt post till Im "with it" again..but had to let you know that gave me a chuckle just now. ]

Glad to hear it Hon! *Huggles Imi and sneaks the remote* YAY! Guess we could always watch Gundam Seed or Witch Hunter Robin. Or I could find my dvd of Magnos the Robot? *snicker*

Have ta admit, I'm glad SOMEBODY appreciates my sense of humor! *Hugs Cricket and Imi while glaring at everybody else.*

Ey baby I lurve you all

Spread the LURVE!

*Grabs Elvin and hugs* Don't mind me, I'm just a little cranky lately.

*hugs* Eh? Don't worry about that. You have to tell me you're trying to offend me in order to actually offend me. ^_^

I just found this thread...omg, Imi, your daughter is amazing. What a mind! They'll be pickling that one in the Smithsonian in a hundred years. I don't have kids, I will say this up front. But I thought about how i would answer something like, "when can i stay out all night, when can i drink, when can i drive the car..." My answer would be, "when I'm no longer legally responsible for you, and I can't be sued for felony child endangerment when you get yourself in serious trouble..."

Lol! Bout right in my opinion hehe

Ah, but you're forgetting when they go for counselling, and everything is the parents' fault.

Nothing new there, I think I did the same thing!

I'm 36 going on 37 in a few months and still trying to figure out "what I want to be when I grow up".

When I grow up, I wanna make my child's life as embarassing as possible! *Smirk*

Now why didnt I think of that?!

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