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so I have to wait 'til 9.30 pm GMT for the hours and seconds to be correct here? Ok. that's some very thorough research though LW. well done.

Okay I should have said 9.30pm EST... QLD Australia 10/1/13 (rough calculation is about 5hrs difference between GMT and EST) this was only incuded because of hours, and seconds characters have been alive

I don't even want to think about 'seconds alive'.... Yikes!!!!! (I'm just old...)

Originally posted by Transmute Jun I don't even want to think about 'seconds alive'.... Yikes!!!!! (I'm just old...)

Sounds better than "Uh, I just can't count that high."

Originally posted by ElectricWhite Sounds better than "Uh, I just can't count that high."

Living in the USA, land of the $17 trillion national debt, I'd better be able to count that high!

Originally posted by Transmute Jun Living in the USA, land of the $17 trillion national debt, I'd better be able to count that high!

Didn't anybody tell you -- when somebody starts talking about really big numbers, you're supposed to get a blank stare on your face (and maybe drool a little, depending on your education level)! It's the American way!

A fun start, LW. I also find that when I'm really, really stuck, sometimes research or worldbuilding helps.

I knew some of those details, but you have done a much deeper research than I. Very interesting.

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You have been doing some very interesting research. Are you considering doing Joe and Ryu as well? I don't think you can do Jun or Jinpei since we do not know their last names.

Crumbs... how much info can you get from a persons name? surprisingly some of it seems to fit him, if that makes sense. especially this part....

There may be a tendency for you to be too exacting and demanding of yourself. In this regard, you may at times sacrifice yourself (or your loved ones) for the welfare of others. In some cases, the overzealous 6 has difficulty distinguishing helping from interfering. You may have difficulty expressing your own individuality, because of involvement with responsibilities and causes. Like all with the Expression of the number 6, it's quite likely that you worry much too much.

Yes! Their on the list.. I have about 50 odd pages of research, plus about 2 pages of idears I still have to look at. I still have to translate it all from LW scribbles and Idears to coherent non-ramble people speak

talk about going above and beyond the call of duty......

Originally posted by KT1972 Crumbs... how much info can you get from a persons name?

That is what started my interest in numerology - how much it told me about myself. Although there also seemed to be a great deal that seemed the opposite of me as well.

Originally posted by KT1972 surprisingly some of it seems to fit him, if that makes sense.

One other thing I noticed was this: The 3 Soul Urge gives intuitive insight, Although LW statement then goes on to discuss artistic talent - I read that as a good sign about what I believe could be Ken's ESP talent of intuitively knowing something is going to happen.

Yeah the numerology bit with the 6 was really spot on. A great book I read for my original fiction (research book) is "Numerology, or what Pythagoras wrought." It's a humorous book full of history and math, heh. Mind you it's mostly focused on showing how numbers can be made to say anything you want.

Ooohh, this is very cool! I confess that in my personal headcanon, Jun and Jinpei don't know their actual birthdays because they were both foundlings. :3 Actually, I have wondered how the team celebrates birthdays. Do they spend them together at the Snack J? What presents would they get each other? Hmm..

I have wondered the same thing Lunulet. Or at least about the gifts. After all Joe/Jason can only need so many pairs of racing gloves. What other gifts might they want?

Originally posted by Lunulet Actually, I have wondered how the team celebrates birthdays. Do they spend them together at the Snack J? What presents would they get each other? Hmm..

IIRC, the only birthday 'celebrated' in canon is Jinpei's .He says in that episode that Jun decided to celebrate his birthday on the day she found him, since she doesn't know his real birthday.

There's a picture of Jinpei's birthday drawn by one of the Japanese artists- I need to look for it and post it here. Also, I drew Ken's and Jun's birthday once upon a time. I always assumed they'd celebrate at the snack. Hmmm...wonder if Nambu ever acknowledged their birthdays? As far as what they'd give each other...weapons! LOL I've also heard Ken and Jun say (during missions) "Take this...as a gift from me..." Ken was giving Jun the "beloved" fuel from his plane...and Jun was giving Ken one of her mini bombs (on a bird missile) to give him more time to escape the Peacock mecha. I drew a Christmas pic about that idea, too.

Those are all situational "gifts," though. I'd think that for things like birthday parties, they'd want a chance to feel a little more normal, and try to give gifts that are a bit more normal.

That is my thought as well Chris. I think they would want something that did not remind them of their "job."

I was just kidding about those being actual gifts- I thought it was funny that they worded it like that in the episodes, though. I agree that they'd probably give things that have to do with their hobbies.

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Originally posted by Lunulet Actually, I have wondered how the team celebrates birthdays. Do they spend them together at the Snack J? What presents would they get each other? Hmm..

IIRC, the only birthday 'celebrated' in canon is Jinpei's .He says in that episode that Jun decided to celebrate his birthday on the day she found him, since she doesn't know his real birthday.

I don't know whether I'm referring to the same episode ... groan ... I need to some day rewatch episodes ... but, I remember clearly an episode in Gatch F featuring Jinpei's birthday. Only that, on that day, no one remembered his birthday except for Dr Nambu, who gave Jinpei a gift ... something which drew Jinpei closer to Nambu, since he knew how busy the doctor usually was but remembered his day just the same ... but, again, I'm forgetting what the gift was, since it's been a long time since I watched the episode! I recall it being more of a normal gift, though! Jinpei was very frustrated when the others had forgotten his birthday ... their excuse was that they had been so captured in that present war that nothing was being relevant to them other than warfare! LW ... I'm loving these contributions of yours and am impressed with the work and effort you're putting into them! You reminded me that I have the same birthday as Ryu's, and you have also given me the pleasure of knowing that I have the same soul number as Ken's!!

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Originally posted by gatchamarie I don't know whether I'm referring to the same episode ... groan ... I need to some day rewatch episodes ... but, I remember clearly an episode in Gatch F featuring Jinpei's birthday. Only that, on that day, no one remembered his birthday except for Dr Nambu, who gave Jinpei a gift ... something which drew Jinpei closer to Nambu, since he knew how busy the doctor usually was but remembered his day just the same ... but, again, I'm forgetting what the gift was, since it's been a long time since I watched the episode! I recall it being more of a normal gift, though! Jinpei was very frustrated when the others had forgotten his birthday ... their excuse was that they had been so captured in that present war that nothing was being relevant to them other than warfare!

Actually, no, I wasn't thinking of that one at all! There's an episode in the original series where Jun is sent off on a solo mission on Jinpei's birthday. He's very disappointed that she isn't there to celebrate with him. And he's all dressed up and everything! http://www.gatchamania.net/thread.php?threadid=3413&sid=

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Some great research there,LW with some very nice information on Ryu. Some of it really does seem to connect to the character.

Originally posted by Transmute Jun

Originally posted by gatchamarie I don't know whether I'm referring to the same episode ... groan ... I need to some day rewatch episodes ... but, I remember clearly an episode in Gatch F featuring Jinpei's birthday. Only that, on that day, no one remembered his birthday except for Dr Nambu, who gave Jinpei a gift ... something which drew Jinpei closer to Nambu, since he knew how busy the doctor usually was but remembered his day just the same ... but, again, I'm forgetting what the gift was, since it's been a long time since I watched the episode! I recall it being more of a normal gift, though! Jinpei was very frustrated when the others had forgotten his birthday ... their excuse was that they had been so captured in that present war that nothing was being relevant to them other than warfare!

Actually, no, I wasn't thinking of that one at all! There's an episode in the original series where Jun is sent off on a solo mission on Jinpei's birthday. He's very disappointed that she isn't there to celebrate with him. And he's all dressed up and everything! http://www.gatchamania.net/thread.php?threadid=3413&sid=

Many thanks for freshening up my memory, TJ! ... and, now that I've followed your link and seen the review, the memory of the episode, and my commenting about it, is returning to me! Guess I'm getting old and my mind is not the same as it was! I realllly do need to rewatch episodes, though, especially those of the original, first series! But, there's the proof that Jinpei's birthday is the one mostly indicated in canon, since two episodes were attributed to him in different series! LW ... you're going to continue this, aren't you?! There's some information that's good to know! Ryu's name analysis is ever so interesting, also!

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oh anc cause all good thread go that way Sex: labido and stress obsession with what we can't have , putting people on pedastals fan obsession sex as an outlet for stress sex as a weapon in war sex and power juns short unifrom (also have to look a japanese society) Heroes and purity Pin up poster sexualizating children children expected to grow up to early - eg scientist pocking and proding teenages expecting them to tell them everything - plus samples etc

so what's the fun stuff then, LW?

I was thinking the same thing KT. If some of those things LW has listed are not "the fun stuff" I will certainly be interested to know what she considers "fun stuff." Or maybe I should be afraid of what she considers fun.

well yeah, this is EW, creator of Galactorrats and wheelchair smut...... need I go on?

? !?! I have had a rough 5 days to week, so maybe I am so tired, that I am not understanding what you are trying to say KT. Yes EW has created Galactorrats and wheelchair smut, but this it is LW who created this thread and who is analysing the characters. Did I miss a connection?

sorry, to EW and littlewolf and CD, and everyone, very very sorry. my mistake here, perhaps i need to sleep for a month!!!

LOL You sound about as tired as I am then, KT. I feel the same way. Today is only Tuesday, as you are aware, and as my class was leaving this evening, I kept having to correct myself from telling them to have a good weekend.

yeah, CD thanks. That's RL for you though

I've been compared to EW Hear that Muse... Na...she's still not listening This is just research...the fun stuff is when I start pulling it all apart Ah grasshopper - to build a monument..first there must be foundations.

Pull it apart? OR put it together. To me research is the getting the small parts (the little of pieces of information) and writing is the putting all that information together. Maybe I am looking at it in the wrong light, and THAT is why I am unable to get any writing done.

CD works both ways To me it is like have a heap of puzzle pieces or jigsaws pieces that belong to different things you have to sort out what belongs to what, what goes where, you have to pull the whole thing apart, when you have all the bits sorted, you have to decide what you are doing to do about it

I'm like LW, getting all the bits is the first part for me in research. Rather than seeing it as a puzzle, for me it's more an issue of organizing and finding relationships, for which I do stuff like mind mapping, organization charts, etc. As I organize things I start to see patterns forming and those patterns lead me to interesting ideas. Some I'll run with and some I won't. It's also fun to note the stuff that seems completely out to left field compared with the rest and then try to figure out how I could make it related. But then I've got a bit of an organizational fetish and am a fairly visual thinker. Part of my previous job responsibilities was stuff like building taxonomies, figuring out in a particular industry what's related to what, what's dependant on what, etc. It all depends on just how much research material there is. Some things aren't hard to organize in your head. For my original stuff, I have a massive amount of research for my worldbuilding and absolutely couldn't figure it out without creating order out of the chaos. I have some truly epic charts in OmniGraffle about musical keys, for example. Everyone works differently, cloud. I do find that if I'm really stuck on writing, sometimes my organizational/analytical side is getting in the way, so sorting out my research goes a lot better instead. Or, if I can't focus on dealing with the research, the writing might be going really well. Ironically I don't outline my fiction at all as far as the story goes. If I do, I never end up writing the story. The thrill of discovery is ruined.

Originally posted by littlewolf I've been compared to EW

What? You actually think being compared to me is a good thing?!?!?! Surely I read it wrong -- that can't be right. I must be running a fever....

Of course it is a good thing. All those way out of left field ideas you come up with are fantastic. I wish I could come up with something half as good. Well .... at the moment I wish I could come up with anything, but that is another matter.

Oy that was a compliment EW take it or or will we have to be more forceful for you to recognise your brilliance

Originally posted by clouddancer Well .... at the moment I wish I could come up with anything, but that is another matter.

CD, just LMK and I'm happy to participate in a brainstorming session with you!

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Originally posted by LunuletI would love to have an active thread where people just post fic ideas and "plot bunnies"

I have a feeling a thread had been started, a few years back ... although I can't remember where it had been posted or what it might have been called. Of course, I could also be remembering another site where we discussed the same thing and then started a thread.

Wow, did a search .... I can't believe it was way back in 2009. The thread is titled "some plot bunnies." Here is the link: Bunnies Maybe someone will feel like throwing out some new ideas. Or even reading through the ideas to help them.

Yes I started doing the research to work on a story "War of tribes" Basic plot bunny was Gatchaman was no longer needed and because the powers that be decided they could not be re-abilitated they were place in a maximum security - general public were told they died as heroes I think I placed them in suspended animation 20 odd years later spectra comes back and G-force activated (They are actually the children of Gatchaman e.g. all those samples the scientist took over the years) but they have been conditioned to be more controllable via implants and zark unfortunate ISO and Anderson find their characteristic are similar to the originals Because I still needed Cronus, I cloned him - original defied Nambu and was killed, rat man also has some of the old characteristic Anyway killed them off - suspended animation - died as heroes 300years later the governments and spectra are working together and have taken over the earth People are suffering and under control part of teenager and culture have split of to emulate their favourite birds e.g. swans are protectors of children and women, condors are hired army, thugs etc., owls are seen as wise and assist with grievances and mediation Swallow are thieves pick pockets and finders of things etc. All underground and trying not to get noticed by the government or power that be Anyway defrosted both Gatchaman and G-force into the future Had to add a legend of the fire bird rising to fight the darkness and bring back the light That kind of stuff But then my muse went AWOL Kinda started from these stories, just got bits and pieces just can't seem to put it all together - hence the research http://www.gatchamania.net/thread.php?threadid=3747&sid= http://www.gatchamania.net/thread.php?threadid=3743&sid=

Oooh that sounds interesting, LW. I really can see the team being put in cryo storage after all's said and done, with or without their consent, or being betrayed at the end like that. Why do I picture Joe kicking some "Condor's" butt and saying Condors fight bad guys, rather than mugging innocents? Who are the Eagles? The gang leaders and masterminds? Hehe.

With that bit of information you have given us, LW I now feel I understand (a little better) those two pieces you posted way back then. And it makes me all the more interested in reading more, when you can kick start your muse again.

Originally posted by littlewolf Oy that was a compliment EW take it or or will we have to be more forceful for you to recognise your brilliance

Okay, okay! Thank you! Don't be mad at me! (Should I keep some Foster's handy in case you show up, LW?)

I am sure the Condor would enjoy it even if LW does not.

Fosters !!??!! yuck I'm a Bailey's, Bundy or Baccardi Girl Or at the moment cause of the Heat if you have any ice like beverage or Air cond I'm in. not mad at you EW - just channeling my inner condor CW I can't remember what I did with the Eagles I am not sure how he would have fitted in, cause the rules and regulations just didn't work anymore - he is there somewere - although I had him and Mark fighting a lot with the condors help I know anyone that wore white coats (eg Anderson and Nambu) were see as untrustworth mad scientist who would do anything for a price and I did have the starving people eating the enemy in one fic I posted (bit of Soylend Green stuff) Will get back to my research soon, but I twisted my lower back last week and I am not a happy little vegemite

OOooo LW sorry to hear about your back. I know how much that can affect you. Especially after last year when I had muscle spasms going up and down my back - from the stress of my job. Hopefully you can find something to help you feel better and get your back feeling sound.

Eek LW. I hope it feels better soon!! Take it easy in the meantime and don't be too proud to try muscle relaxants. I suspect an Eagle without an external "code/ruleset/regulation set" to follow would create his own. Really, Ken did occasionally throw the rules to the wind and do what he thought was right, or just what he felt like doing. He wasn't quite the boy scout that Mark's portrayed as.

Originally posted by littlewolf Fosters !!??!! yuck I'm a Bailey's, Bundy or Baccardi Girl

I'll keep that in mind! (Though I think I'll wait until your back's in better shape -- I wouldn't want to slip you some muscle relaxants and then have you try the fun stuff...unless you'd like to sleep for a few days...)

Thanks all, It's been a very challenging year (and it's only january) Heat in Australia is bad, even for us, so many bush fires and loss of life, high fire dangers everywere - poor Tasmania coped it big time - and they are only small, so fires went straight through. We haven't had much rain in Qld in over 4 months, so everything is brown and dying (what little spits we have are dried up by hot winds) Had a small race riot in a local town, a week or so ago (about 25 minutes away) between a group of Aboriginals and Islanders - the town is very diverse in cultures and high youth unemployment - been simmering for a while. Work is slow , even though we are in the holiday period, it is too hot and the ecomony is down - money is tight - so like others I'm after as many hours as I can get. my sister has to have surgery on her wrist again (she shattered the tip of her radius about 7 weeks ago and the bone has not healed) Tempah (formaly dimples) has gone in for Entropic surgery today - so she will come home with a bucket on her head So it is no wonder I hurt myself - my body finally had enough of me not looking after it and has decided I needed to slow down - (I am not a slow person and a horrible patient) but I'm learning It's all a learning curve - and the time off has given me a chance to think about what is important - so all good

hope things improve for you LW