This is open-ended. You can do this whenever you want. I was just posting in a different thread about how it can be interesting to write first peson POV, and how different it is to write from the POV of a person you despise. So I'm going to toss this out there: write a few sentences (a paragraph or two?) from the first person POV of a character you dislike/despise. You can make them sympathetic, you can make them a villain, just try to write from that hated character's POV. I'll start with my most hated character in any incarnation of the show: Red Impulse. 88888 It's difficult to stomach the sight of the whining, pathetic boy lying in the dirt at my feet. He thinks he's a leader, but he only leads his team of children. Worse yet, he's lost one of them and can't stop sniveling about it. She's just a stupid girl, easily replaced, but Ken can't see that. He deserved every second of the beating I gave him. I only wish I could actually smack some sense into that useless brain of his. Kozaburo wonders how I could abandon my son, not tell him the truth of our relationship. The truth is, I'm ashamed of him. Why would I ever want to admit that this weak coward was mine? I spit at the ground in disgust as I leave him there, lying in a pool of his own blood.

Wow. Who do I despise the most?

Originally posted by Becky Rock Wow. Who do I desprise the most?

Don't ask me -- I'm psychotic, not psychic!

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TJ - you portrayed Red Impulse exactly as I assumed he was. An egotistical jerk. EW- You're making Zark creepier and creepier, although the idea of his trying to get Jason to spend more time with you is good.

EW! Trust you to turn Zark's POV into a fic about you and Jason! But to be fair, that's probably exactly how Zark would think about it!

TJ: The part of me that wants to see good in people clings to hints that RI might actually care about his son. However, the part of me that judges by deeds has to admit that he seems more like an abusive jerk. You certainly nailed that side of him. EW: Meep, I say. Meep! And I agree, I think you've followed Zark logic pretty well. Hmm it's rare I truly hate a character. Who do I dislike enough to hop into their head ... uh oh ... an idea starts to squirm ...

Originally posted by ChrisW Who do I dislike enough to hop into their head ...

Be careful! You don't know where some of them have been!

Originally posted by ElectricWhite

Originally posted by ChrisW Who do I dislike enough to hop into their head ...

Be careful! You don't know where some of them have been!

Just make sure you take a long, hot shower when you get out.

Originally posted by ElectricWhite Be careful! You don't know where some of them have been!

Worse, I have suspicions! I think I'll need more than a hot shower. Maybe some antiseptic spray too.

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Chris, that's awesome! Susan is trolling for men! BTW, I think it's FOSNIPS, not FISDOC... although I'd love to hear what FISDOC stands for!

Originally posted by Transmute Jun Chris, that's awesome! Susan is trolling for men! BTW, I think it's FOSNIPS, not FISDOC... although I'd love to hear what FISDOC stands for!

I figured a DIC needed a place to DOC I feel vaguely dirty after writing that, but it had to be done!

Ooh! These are great. You are all so clever! Hmm ... despise is a pretty strong word ... It's all Chief Anderson's fault. He's the one who loaded me up with extra work at the Academy, saying I was a genius in chemistry. I am a genius, but even the gifted need time to study. So how could he have been surprised when I stole the answers to that final exam? He never even stood up for me when I was expelled. He doesn't know it yet, but that's not the only thing I stole. I'm taking my formula for a universal solvent. I'm going to find someone who appreciates my talents ... like Zoltar. Then everyone will know the name Donald Wade.

jublke: Ah dear Don, he's one of the best "edits" the BOTP folks did I think. Actually added a little depth. Too bad there wasn't more source material for BOTP to work with around him, it'd be a storyline worth expanding. Well done.

Nice, Julie! Interesting that you chose Don Wade as the character you despise... I like the 'justification' though!

found it hard to find the character I actually dispise but she came closest..... UGH! that snivelling brother of mine, again kowtowing to that entity he believes is "God". They should have made me Spectra's leader - I would have had the Earth surrendering in no time.. G-Force or no G-Force!

Poor Mala, so unloved.

TJ,- This is what I thought RI was thinking during that scene too, is it a coincidence that the characters we despise are the ones that despise our favourite characters? EW - I think we all understand why you despise Zark. It's a great piece. Maybe you should rethink your oppinion of him, since he is trying to set you up with Jason? Chris - I'd never have considered Susan, but then we don't actually 'see' her. I can imagine she would get "lonely" out on Pluto, and who would have thought she would be flirting with all the eligable male robots she communicates with! Love the Fisdoc BTW. Jublke - It's great to see you contributing again, and another one to chose someone who despised a central character. It really is a shame that Don couldn't be expanded on by the S.F. team, there was so much more potential to his character.

Originally posted by KT1972 Chris - I'd never have considered Susan, but then we don't actually 'see' her. I can imagine she would get "lonely" out on Pluto, and who would have thought she would be flirting with all the eligable male robots she communicates with! Love the Fisdoc BTW.

At first I was really digging to think of a character to use that hadn't been used yet (because I'm like that), and then it hit me ... the breathy sexbot who heralds some of the most annoying/disturbing Zark scenes. Gah now I'm imagining her leaving Mark and Jason breathy phone messages. They might need therapy.

or you might!!

KT, so few words, and yet I think you hit Mala on the head!!!!

Originally posted by KT1972 TJ,- This is what I thought RI was thinking during that scene too, is it a coincidence that the characters we despise are the ones that despise our favourite characters?

You know, I hadn't thought about it in quite that way, but I think you're right. RI is so insulting and contemptuous of the Science Ninja Team, and is presented as being 'better' than they are... all of that is just designed to irritate me. Then to have him be presented as a 'good guy' on top of that... it's too much! Interesting how many of us despise some of the 'good guys'... could be for the reason you have stated! Food for thought...

CW -- I never thought Susan could be one of those kind of girl-bots! Could this also mean we might get a little Susan/Mark/Jason phone smut in the future? jublke -- you know, I think I have a mental block when it comes to Don, and I believe your piece finally explains why! KT -- That might be one of the big reasons Mala never seems to be in a good mood! (And, in this case, can you blame her?)

Originally posted by ElectricWhite CW -- I never thought Susan could be one of those kind of girl-bots! Could this also mean we might get a little Susan/Mark/Jason phone smut in the future?

Just thinking about it is making me think about returning to therapy ... I make no promises, but we'll see.

Hey, I had to come back. It's lonely writing fanfic by yourself. Gotta be honest though - TJ did such a great job with Red Impulse that I'd have felt like I was copying to write up Cronus. He is truly my least favorite character. It would probably be a good exercise for me to write him a story. As for Don - I doubt I'd hate him so much but I gave him a whole backstory in my re-write of G-Force Defector. I can't stand him now. http://www.gatchfanfic.com/viewstory.php?sid=1296

Shameless plugs are welcome! You can certainly do Cronus, Julei! I picked one scene... but there are so many to dislike for RI/Cronus. The Blue Hawk episode is another where he's taunting Ken and just standing there beating him up. Another is the very first episode with RI, where he 'saves the day' in a condescending manner, making the Team look incompetent (yeah, Jason made a mistake, but they were hardly out of options - they could have used the Firebird for one). Although in BOTP that's not the Red Rangers... In any case, Cronus and RI are not the same person, so I'd love to see what you'd do with Cronus!

Somehow I missed this yesterday, just started reading it, but for some mysterious reason, I was SURE about the character EW's fic would be about...I wonder why...

Chris - You had be rolling on the DIC DOC reference. That entry was brilliant! Please don't do that to Mark amd Jason. They would need more than therapy - is would scar them for life. But Susan could maybe distract Zark from EW's wheelchair... Julie - Welcome back!!! You did a perfect Don Wade. So you weren't hating Don until after you wrote your fic? I do wish SF had explored Don more, or at least mentioned him somewhere else to set up the situation. KT - I agree, you have Mala just as I would expect her to think. Maybe thinking about getting rid of Zoltar?

Originally posted by Daniella T but for some mysterious reason, I was SURE about the character EW's fic would be about...I wonder why...

I can't believe what I just read! DT, I'm hurt -- nay, WOUNDED! -- by such assumptions! ...even if they ARE right...

Originally posted by Becky Rock Chris - You had be rolling on the DIC DOC reference. That entry was brilliant! Please don't do that to Mark amd Jason. They would need more than therapy - is would scar them for life. But Susan could maybe distract Zark from EW's wheelchair...

Thanks! Breathy voice on their answering machines, on their communicators ... Princess might fly all the way out to Pluto to deal with that herself. And oh dear ... Susan might be jealous of Charity ... very, very jealous ... EW, feel free to do with that thought what you will

Originally posted by ElectricWhite

Originally posted by Daniella T but for some mysterious reason, I was SURE about the character EW's fic would be about...I wonder why...

I can't believe what I just read! DT, I'm hurt -- nay, WOUNDED! -- by such assumptions! ...even if they ARE right...

It's not you, it's Zark...

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this guy yet on this thread, so I'll give it a go, he's actually a quite despicable charachter It's not my fault. No matter what you say, it's not my fault. Even when we were in the Academy, and Mark claimed to have to save my ass all the time, it was actually him. Him and his enormous ego, top flyer, patronising bastard. Save my ass, he says...How many times did I have to hear the words "Come on, Tom, I won't be always there to rescue you". As if I needed him! You might say that it's not right that I play on his feelings for the father he never knew. Well, I'll say it's not right that he has haunted my life ever since we were students: always better, always faster, always stronger than me. So when a Spectran operative approached me and said "Tom, you know your friend Mark...he's looking for his father...", I knew what I had to do. Let him claim it's my fault. I know it's not.

Originally posted by Daniella T I'm surprised no one has mentioned this guy yet on this thread, so I'll give it a go, he's actually a quite despicable charachter

Ooh great choice.

Originally posted by ChrisW

Originally posted by Becky Rock Chris - You had be rolling on the DIC DOC reference. That entry was brilliant! Please don't do that to Mark amd Jason. They would need more than therapy - is would scar them for life. But Susan could maybe distract Zark from EW's wheelchair...

Thanks! Breathy voice on their answering machines, on their communicators ... Princess might fly all the way out to Pluto to deal with that herself. And oh dear ... Susan might be jealous of Charity ... very, very jealous ... EW, feel free to do with that thought what you will

This is what she might do:

Good point DT, so many of the really bad characters are there for such a short time, they often fall through the radar! I think you have summed Tom up very well though...and yet another one who despises our favourite commander too!

Originally posted by KT1972 another one who despises our favourite commander too!

They should form a club and get in line to bash him in!

Originally posted by Daniella T

Originally posted by KT1972 another one who despises our favourite commander too!

They should form a club and get in line to bash him in!

Aw, what'd Mark/Ken ever do? *sniffle*

Daniella, you certainly summed up the character well! I can see why he feels the way he does. Very competitive people have difficulty if they can never come in first... and then to have the person besting you always be the same person... naturally he'd be resentful! Not that this excuses what he did...

DT, that's Tom, all right. Maybe Jason should have feathered him.

Originally posted by Becky Rock DT, that's Tom, all right. Maybe Jason should have feathered him.

I can see a "Missing Moment" fic coming up...

Jane Lebak implied in one of her Scavenger stories Jason did do something to Tom, but never said what.

Originally posted by ChrisW

Originally posted by Daniella T

Originally posted by KT1972 another one who despises our favourite commander too!

They should form a club and get in line to bash him in!

Aw, what'd Mark/Ken ever do? *sniffle*

I certainly never despised him, but as a kid in 1978-79, Mark was... not my favourite. I think he reminded me a little too much of my then-bossy older siblings. Hardly fair to Mark, but there it is. I do think I've gotten over it -though I can still watch the odd scene in a BOTP episode and feel a leeetle stir of the old resentment.

Funny reading all the "despised" POVs here!

Originally posted by Transmute Jun I was just posting in a different thread about how it can be interesting to write first person POV, and how different it is to write from the POV of a person you despise.

Different, yes -and hard! I really dislike Gel Sadra, but for the life of me, I'm not able to get her voice going in my head... Will need to give this some thought!

Originally posted by lborgia88 I certainly never despised him, but as a kid in 1978-79, Mark was... not my favourite. I think he reminded me a little too much of my then-bossy older siblings. Hardly fair to Mark, but there it is. I do think I've gotten over it -though I can still watch the odd scene in a BOTP episode and feel a leeetle stir of the old resentment.

Hehe, I can see that. I was the older sibling, and was one of those overly serious, "responsible" kids most of the time. So I guess I identified with his plight.

And when I was a kid I just wanted to be Princess....

Mark was my favorite until I saw Strike at Spectra and then I worried about Jason right along with Zark. And thus was the origin of my many hurt / comfort -themed Jason stories. Fascinating to see which characters we hate and why. I never thought about how we hate the characters that hate our favorite characters (or cause them grief), but that's certainly true for me.

Originally posted by ChrisW

Originally posted by lborgia88 I certainly never despised him, but as a kid in 1978-79, Mark was... not my favourite. I think he reminded me a little too much of my then-bossy older siblings. Hardly fair to Mark, but there it is. I do think I've gotten over it -though I can still watch the odd scene in a BOTP episode and feel a leeetle stir of the old resentment.

Hehe, I can see that. I was the older sibling, and was one of those overly serious, "responsible" kids most of the time. So I guess I identified with his plight.

And I was the youngest, and eternally fated to follow orders whether I liked them or not. I identified a lot with Jason.

Originally posted by jublke I never thought about how we hate the characters that hate our favorite characters (or cause them grief), but that's certainly true for me.

Actually, I think another big reason I liked Jason best was that it seemed Zark all too often singled him out for criticism ("hot-headed," "needs to learn to obey orders" etc.) and praised Mark to the skies. And I hated Zark!

Originally posted by Transmute Jun And when I was a kid I just wanted to be Princess....

Trying to recall why I didn't identify so much with Princess... which would have made sense, really, as she was a girl. I liked her but I think she seemed too much "as one" with Mark (who I already had a bit of an issue with -for reasons that were not his fault) whereas Jason seemed more by himself, even a loner. He didn't seem to have anyone on his side, so I wanted to be on his side.

Originally posted by lborgia88 Trying to recall why I didn't identify so much with Princess... which would have made sense, really, as she was a girl. I liked her but I think she seemed too much "as one" with Mark (who I already had a bit of an issue with -for reasons that were not his fault) whereas Jason seemed more by himself, even a loner. He didn't seem to have anyone on his side, so I wanted to be on his side.

I keep asking myself the same question. I should probably put on some flame-retardant armor, but Princess comes off as a little "weak" in various points throughout the series. I suspect it's in part because Mark and Jason are such strong personalities (that's why they're #1 and 2), and her personality is meant to be a good subordinate like Ryu and (sometimes) Jinpei, which is why she's #3. So it's not really just because she's a girl. But I think she does suffer as a character from being written in a macho time. Jun gets on my nerves because she pines all the time and never tells Ken how she feels, and it feels very passive aggressive. BOTP kind of played with that by adding more of a relationship between Mark and Princess, though it's still passive aggressive in spots. Ultimately, though, I tend to hook onto male characters. It's just the way I'm wired, for whatever perverse reason. As a data point, I also liked Luke Skywalker in Star Wars, over Han Solo. Though I liked Han Solo too. Just not as much.

LOL, you guys are being all deep! When I was a kid I wanted to be Princess becasue she was cool, had the awesome pink dress, played guitar and was going out with Mark! I mean really, what more could a girl ask for? CW, you have a point that Princess is somewhat more 'weak' in personality than Mark and Jason, but then as an adult I've seen Gatchaman and I know that Jun is much stronger than that. To be fair, I tend to project Jun's personality onto Princess more now that I'm older.

Funny, now that I'm older, I like Princess more. And Tiny too. I think it must take a lot of internal strength to support the lead players, to (generally) avoid the drama and just get your work done. That said, growing up I had a friend who wanted to be Princess. I didn't see myself as "cool enough" to be anyone on the team. I think I identified most with Zark - not that I liked him best - but I identified with him. He was a neurotic loner worrywart, never close to the action. That fit me to a T. Probably why I have such a soft spot for 1-Rover-1, come to think of it.

Originally posted by Transmute Jun LOL, you guys are being all deep! When I was a kid I wanted to be Princess becasue she was cool, had the awesome pink dress, played guitar and was going out with Mark! I mean really, what more could a girl ask for? CW, you have a point that Princess is somewhat more 'weak' in personality than Mark and Jason, but then as an adult I've seen Gatchaman and I know that Jun is much stronger than that. To be fair, I tend to project Jun's personality onto Princess more now that I'm older.

Hehe, yeah, as adults it's funny how differently we see things. I do agree that in general I see Jun as a lot stronger (and I resent Sandy Frank and them for watering Princess down so much), but all Jun's pining and getting pissed with Ken when she never laid it out clearly to him does get a little on my nerves. I doubt I'd have noticed that when I was a kid, though!

Originally posted by jublke Funny, now that I'm older, I like Princess more. And Tiny too. I think it must take a lot of internal strength to support the lead players, to (generally) avoid the drama and just get your work done. That said, growing up I had a friend who wanted to be Princess. I didn't see myself as "cool enough" to be anyone on the team. I think I identified most with Zark - not that I liked him best - but I identified with him. He was a neurotic loner worrywart, never close to the action. That fit me to a T. Probably why I have such a soft spot for 1-Rover-1, come to think of it.

People typically assume that somehow subordinate = weak but that isn't necessarily the case. As you said, it takes a lot of strength to be on that team at all, given everything they have to do. The support in this case is allowing Ken and Joe stand on the shoulders of giants, to misuse a metaphor. I don't tend to see myself as characters, maybe it's that same feeling of not cool enough. Though I do daydream a lot about them, so maybe it's more a question of semantics, hehe.

In the world I have created and am always thinking about I have always seen things through Mark's eyes. Mark was everything I was not, which is why I think I connected to him the most, all his strengths seemed to be where I was weakest. My personality more closely resembles Tiny's though. Which, when I think about it, makes it interesting that I don't write more from his point of view. Maybe because writing from Tiny's point could be using my own voice rather than getting into another mind. Maybe some time when I get into Tiny's head again I should test out that theory.

I'm so excited! This thread inspired me to write a story! I've never written any fanfic this quickly before. Woo! My sincere appreciation to Amethyst, who was also up late last night and beta-read for me in the middle of the night. http://www.gatchfanfic.com/viewstory.php?sid=1367

Originally posted by jublke I'm so excited! This thread inspired me to write a story! I've never written any fanfic this quickly before.

Read and reviewed. Yay for plot bunny attacks!

Like TJ, I dreamt of being Princess...when my friends and I pretended to be G-Force, I *had* to be Princess or I wouldn't play...LOL! Looks like I have a lot of reading to catch up on! I'll try to get around to it when things settle down (my son and daughter were both just diagnosed with food allergies...and most of my time these days is being spent in the kitchen! (*sigh* I just need to become a chef!)

Originally posted by Springie Looks like I have a lot of reading to catch up on! I'll try to get around to it when things settle down (my son and daughter were both just diagnosed with food allergies...and most of my time these days is being spent in the kitchen! (*sigh* I just need to become a chef!)

Youch, I hope they're the same allergies at least!

I'm sure you're the best chef, Springie! And I know your kids appreciate the effort you're putting in! Yay for new fics! I have to run for the moment, but it's on my list of things to read...

Originally posted by Transmute Jun she was cool, had the awesome pink dress, played guitar and was going out with Mark! I mean really, what more could a girl ask for?

To be going out with Jason?

Originally posted by ChrisW I do agree that in general I see Jun as a lot stronger (and I resent Sandy Frank and them for watering Princess down so much)

Jun certainly dishes out a lot more hurt on goons and faces a lot more seriously life-threatening danger than Princess, and runs the "J" by herself instead of just helping the never-seen Jill. But thinking about this, Princess also doesn't scream at the sight of a dead ant and hurl herself at Jason like Jun does in ep. 10, and she retorts "Maybe we should send you back!" when he suggests in the "Ace from Outer Space" episode that she and Keyop should go back to the Phoenix because it's too dangerous. Keyop doesn't rag on Princess that she'll never get a man because she can't cook. So even as I agree that, overall, Jun comes off as stronger, Princess has the advantage in some ways.

Originally posted by ChrisW I don't tend to see myself as characters, maybe it's that same feeling of not cool enough.

Originally posted by clouddancer Mark was everything I was not, which is why I think I connected to him the most, all his strengths seemed to be where I was weakest.

Interesting points -whether our favourite characters are the ones we admire for having what we lack or are intrigued by for being what we are not, or the ones who remind us of ourselves. Maybe a bit of both? I think that Jason's situation in BOTP did remind me of myself, but in the case of Joe, I think I'm more admiring what I lack or being interested in one who is not like me -for one thing, I'm way more a ponderer than an impulsive doer, am more a 'thinker' than a 'feeler,' and I don't have a temper.

Originally posted by Springie (my son and daughter were both just diagnosed with food allergies...and most of my time these days is being spent in the kitchen!

You're being a great parent! I hope it does get less time-consuming, and easier, as time goes on and what they can/want to/should eat (that's simplest to prepare) gets all figured out.

Originally posted by jublke I'm so excited! This thread inspired me to write a story! I've never written any fanfic this quickly before.

Oh wow -that caught me off guard, and more than once! I think you're right though, about what those two have in common. Food for thought...

Originally posted by lborgia88 Jun certainly dishes out a lot more hurt on goons and faces a lot more seriously life-threatening danger than Princess, and runs the "J" by herself instead of just helping the never-seen Jill. But thinking about this, Princess also doesn't scream at the sight of a dead ant and hurl herself at Jason like Jun does in ep. 10, and she retorts "Maybe we should send you back!" when he suggests in the "Ace from Outer Space" episode that she and Keyop should go back to the Phoenix because it's too dangerous. Keyop doesn't rag on Princess that she'll never get a man because she can't cook. So even as I agree that, overall, Jun comes off as stronger, Princess has the advantage in some ways.

You have some good points.

Maybe a bit of both? I think that Jason's situation in BOTP did remind me of myself, but in the case of Joe, I think I'm more admiring what I lack or being interested in one who is not like me -for one thing, I'm way more a ponderer than an impulsive doer, am more a 'thinker' than a 'feeler,' and I don't have a temper.

I know it's a bit of both for me. Ken/Mark is so damned disciplined, and I'm at times the least disciplined person ever. I'm easily distracted by small shiny objects and he's focused, focused, focused. You know, I'm not sure what I thought of Joe/Jason before. Fanfic has made me much more of a fan of his, both just by himself and with Ken. I never even used to think of pairing G-1 and G-2 until I found it in fanfic (when I wanted Ken to be gay I threw some OC at him). Then I ran across that scenario and went, you know ...