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Last post by gatchamarie 25 Nov 2011 09:04
Yes, it's Condor Joe! Or is it Ryu the Owl? I can't tell...
Ugh...
(Yes this is a real toy, manufactured in 1973.)
Ugh...
(Yes this is a real toy, manufactured in 1973.)
OMG- that is just ...scary!
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 7 Apr 2011 19:04
You are right that is just wrong.
Hmmm, maybe it is an early edition of the Mallard that Thunderbird drew. (I am trying to remember some of the other bird avatars that TB drew that might have had brown or green uniforms.)
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 7 Apr 2011 19:57
With an antenna on the head...
1973...
Here's my theory: in the second season of Gatchaman, there was some talk about adding a new character to the Team either for variety or for some plot twist that never made in past the planning discussions.
Thus. the original plan was to keep the "G-6" character -that nameless guy in episode 60 "Science Ninja Team G-6" alive at the end of the episode...
And would have have joined the Science Ninja Team as...
G-6, Toshiro the Wood Duck! 
Fortunately, this plan was scrapped and a vow was taken amongst the Tatsunoko staff never to speak of it and all planning sheets were burned. Unfortunately, it was too late to retrieve some designs that had been sent to the toy company that was sponsoring the show...
And would have have joined the Science Ninja Team as...
G-6, Toshiro the Wood Duck!
Fortunately, this plan was scrapped and a vow was taken amongst the Tatsunoko staff never to speak of it and all planning sheets were burned. Unfortunately, it was too late to retrieve some designs that had been sent to the toy company that was sponsoring the show...
gatchamarie
Gatchamaniac
posted 8 Apr 2011 02:22
You crack me up, LB!!
TJ ... you're right ... that's so wrong! I don't know why but I'm also having the impression that he seems ready to do some gardening with those seemingly green wellingtons and plastic green gloves!!
TJ ... you're right ... that's so wrong! I don't know why but I'm also having the impression that he seems ready to do some gardening with those seemingly green wellingtons and plastic green gloves!!
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 8 Apr 2011 05:10
LB, you have quite the imagination .... and gave me a good laugh this morning.
I like that wellington comment, Marie. Once you mention it, they do remind me of them.
I love your train of thought, LB! You even had me going there, for a second... 
The thing is... they had a Ken doll that looked pretty similar. I've seen it. The difference is, Ken had the correct colors.
I never thought of those boots being Wellingtons, but... yipes! That's pretty accurate!
ETA This is the accompanying Ken doll.
The thing is... they had a Ken doll that looked pretty similar. I've seen it. The difference is, Ken had the correct colors.
I never thought of those boots being Wellingtons, but... yipes! That's pretty accurate!
ETA This is the accompanying Ken doll.
Other flaws (head too big, legs too short, no capes) aside, I think they really should have toned down the lip colour -on Ken and the mystery character. Everyone knows that Katse's the only guy on the show who wears lipstick!
It occurs to me now that CD's reference to mallards got me thinking about ducks, but possibly also because his uniform's colours made me think "aquatic..."
littlewolf
Forum God
posted 8 Apr 2011 11:36
I has having issues with the neck or lack off, now I keep think of the shade of their lips and the fact they was a little heavy on the upper eye lid pencil and mascara
plot bunnys (ninja animals trained for air, water, and land attacks)
now how about for G6.... "Flipper" he can be cllassed loosly as a Flying fish (yes I know he/she is a dolphin) but if "skippy" can fly a helicopter
(what's that skipper sonnys in trouble...")...aussie joke, we have damb smart animals over here
okay its 4am over here and aquaman made me start to think strangely, mmm I wonder if Marine boy is aquaman ilegitemate son...a story for keyop perhaps..with scooby doo like sillyness
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 8 Apr 2011 12:21
You know LB, those are the right colours. Except Aquaman did not have a helmet like that doll did.
LW, you could add Keyop to the Teen Titans, except for the stuttering I am sure he would fit in very nicely.
Originally posted by clouddancer LW, you could add Keyop to the Teen Titans, except for the stuttering I am sure he would fit in very nicely.I agree. You can either tone down the speech issue, or make a running gag out of it depending upon how serious you want the story to be.
Originall posted by Littlewolfwith scooby doo like sillynessCheck this story out by Becky, she writes some great cross-overs: Jason Meets Scooby Doo
Originally posted by amethyst Check this story out by Becky, she writes some great cross-overs: Jason Meets Scooby DooHee, poor Jason! Visually, Scooby Doo and Battle of the Planets certainly blend very well, with the 70s styles of clothes and everyone wearing the same outfits, all the time, no matter where they are. I wonder what Scooby would think of Zark. Zark would probably conclude Scooby's a robot dog with much more sophisticated programming than 1-Rover-1, and try to feed him wrenches or nails.
UnpublishedWriter
Gatchamaniac
posted 8 Apr 2011 17:13
Still say the Scooby team could take Zoltar.
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 8 Apr 2011 21:18
But how did Shaggy get Mark's voice?
Originally posted by Transmute Jun But how did Shaggy get Mark's voice?He borrowed it from Robin.
Originally posted by Transmute Jun ETA This is the accompanying Ken doll.And look, there's even a God Phoenix for him! Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFtKn9ok4tQ
Hahaha...too funny- hope they had a disclaimer about the firebird part!
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 9 Apr 2011 08:04
Too funny! My guess is that this particular Ken doll wouldn't be very particular about the fact that it's the Gatcharooster God Phoenix!
Originally posted by Transmute Jun Too funny! My guess is that this particular Ken doll wouldn't be very particular about the fact that it's the Gatcharooster God Phoenix!Yes, he's in no position to complain about its aesthetics! Though the Ken in the ad looks quite good...
Somewhere, Ryu was probably thinking "I'm the pilot -why am I not in the ad?"
(Sorry, Ryu. There's a reason why the show is called "Gatchaman.")
Originally posted by Springie Hahaha...too funny- hope they had a disclaimer about the firebird part!Good point! I wonder if any little kids were protesting "Rip off!" when they discovered their new toy didn't actually engulf in flames?
Originally posted by Transmute Jun Yes, it's Condor Joe! Or is it Ryu the Owl? I can't tell...Just had this thought. Ignore the manufacture date. It's from BotP: Zark, who controls the team's transmutation (he said so himself in episode 1), has royally messed up. Jason is beyond pissed and Tiny is really confused.
Yes, let's blame Zark for this! 
And when he tries to fix it...
And when he tries to fix it...
And could explain why, after episode 1, no mention was ever made again of Zark controlling the transmutations...
(Now imagining Mark ending up in red & white striped pants... )
)
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 9 Apr 2011 15:42
Originally posted by lborgia88Good point! I wonder if any little kids were protesting "Rip off!" when they discovered their new toy didn't actually engulf in flames?Oh, I'm sure you could easily have engulfed the toy in flames... and the ship would have looked even better afterward, I'm certain!
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 9 Apr 2011 15:43
OMG, LB, I love the cartoon! And of course, 3.5 is half of 7... but is that 7 because Zark is implying they're only worth half of what he is? Or because 7 is the sum of 2 and 5? Hmmm....
Oh that's great! A generation of Japanese children become budding pyromaniacs...
They would have been really excited when the Gatchaspartan came out!
Originally posted by Transmute Jun Or because 7 is the sum of 2 and 5? Hmmm....Yeah, I took the average of 2 + 5.
If it were 5-2; then there would be 3 #3's. I think (or at least hope) that even Zark is smarter than that.
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 9 Apr 2011 17:46
Love the toon LB.
Tiny looks really upset at getting this promotion.
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 9 Apr 2011 20:22
Originally posted by clouddancer Tiny looks really upset at getting this promotion.Maybe he's just upset to be wearing Keyop's colors!
gatchamarie
Gatchamaniac
posted 10 Apr 2011 09:45
I'm 
reading from where I've left this thread! You guys are great, and I love your toon, LB! Maybe Tiny is looking that upset because he's more terrified of what might be Jason's reaction behind him than being happy with his promotion!
reading from where I've left this thread! You guys are great, and I love your toon, LB! Maybe Tiny is looking that upset because he's more terrified of what might be Jason's reaction behind him than being happy with his promotion!
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 10 Apr 2011 10:30
Well we do know that Tiny and Jason never had a "friendly" relationship, so you could be right Marie.
TJ, I had noticed the colouring was wrong on his shirt but had not connected it to Keyop's colours.
Well, what I did what take each of Jason's and Tiny's own "sleeve" colours and make them their own "body" colours, and then give them each other's "body" colours as their new "sleeve" colours. And then I swapped their "number" colours too.
It is funny how that, in the Owl's case, resulted in him looking like the Swallow!
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 10 Apr 2011 10:47
I thought it was intentional on Jason as well, to give him Mark's colors! 
Originally posted by lborgia88And here's a WHOLE bunch of friends for the Ken doll!Originally posted by Transmute Jun ETA This is the accompanying Ken doll.And look, there's even a God Phoenix for him! Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFtKn9ok4tQ
This is part of someone's collection, that they're showing on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzB6La7L5fc
Someone's been a busy collector!
Those candles are so cute!! I want one for my birthday cake later in the year ROTFL!!!
Its one way for the team to go into "Firebird" mode.... light em up!!!
(okay I know they're not candles, but they do look like wax figurines at first glance and the antenna a candle wick.... imagination and humour getting away on me again.)
A new Gatchaman for the 21st century. In this OAV, Berg Katse is a poor male human led astray by the wiles of Dr. Nambu, while Ken Washio is a set of male and female twins merged in the womb by Sosai X...
I think I can tell who the "female" twin is!
(Seriously, though -what are those things?)
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 13 Apr 2011 14:03
I think those are buttons to press to make the rockets (that are on his arms) shoot. But that is just a guess, and I am just assuming those rockets are part of that Eagle doll.
That would make sense. I can't imagine why they had to put the buttons there and not, say, on his back. Unless they were somehow inspired by the mini-robots' self-destruct buttons in episode 6.
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 13 Apr 2011 17:04
If those are buttons to press the rockets, they're in a horrible place!!!!!
Originally posted by Transmute JunYou know, I'm more disturbed by this than I am the original images posted in this thread.
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 13 Apr 2011 17:59
Originally posted by Transmute Jun If those are buttons to press the rockets, they're in a horrible place!!!!!I have to agree with you there TJ. No one has given another suggestion of what they might be though. Amethyst, all these close-up images in this thread make me shudder.
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 13 Apr 2011 21:21
Originally posted by amethystThat picture is all kinds of wrong!!!!!Originally posted by Transmute JunYou know, I'm more disturbed by this than I am the original images posted in this thread.
I'm wondering now if he's actually a transistor radio, and if one button is "on/off" and "volume" and the other one is "tuning."
Maybe they couldn't put the buttons on his back because that's where the batteries go?
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 14 Apr 2011 05:58
I would hate to think where the speakers are then, but that is a good suggestion.
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 14 Apr 2011 06:12
I think CD is right about the rockets. Perhaps (and this is a stretch) the doll originally came with a cape/wings, and the cape covered up the buttons?
A Gatchaman with built-in rockets... Makes me wonder if someone was influenced there by Astroboy.
Though since we've got a Gatchaman with some rather "female" attributes, we've also got a Swan with some rather "manly" shoulders and hips -and one who doesn't want to wear a skirt either, it seems.
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 15 Apr 2011 06:53
OMG!!!! 
That Swam looks like a women's drill sergeant! A stereotyped Eastern European women's gym teacher!
She's certainly ready to go out with androgynous Ken!!!!!
That Swam looks like a women's drill sergeant! A stereotyped Eastern European women's gym teacher!
She's certainly ready to go out with androgynous Ken!!!!!
We think alike -I had "East German female Olympic athlete circa the 1970s" in my head.
She probably would prefer "androgynous Ken" for sure, over the little mini-Ken who's standing in front of her.
Hee, you have to wonder if it's solely design budget issues, or if the companies that manufacture some of these figures barely even look at the characters they're supposedly depicting.
She probably would prefer "androgynous Ken" for sure, over the little mini-Ken who's standing in front of her.
Hee, you have to wonder if it's solely design budget issues, or if the companies that manufacture some of these figures barely even look at the characters they're supposedly depicting.
Did you notice that her boots and gloves are pink?
The Condor next to her looks a little feminine, too, especially in the face. Plus his(?) birdstyle is too red.
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 15 Apr 2011 18:49
It might not be a COndor. It might be a reverse color Jinpei.
Did you notice that her boots and gloves are pink?Yes, but that didn't seem important beside her overly masculine appearance!
gatchamarie
Gatchamaniac
posted 16 Apr 2011 00:20
Joining late to this conversation, I can't say anything more than that the dolls in these last pictures are totally wrong ... body shapes, faces, colours, button positioning, and all! I just agree with LB in saying that whoever made them surely didn't know anything about the real characters ... something which I honestly cannot take, since I'm one who really enters into details, especially when trying to copy originals! But then, we can say that we're used even in these days to find imitation products which differ from originals in some, or many ways! The ones we're seeing have so many of these differences and abnormalities that they just look awkward!
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 16 Apr 2011 13:32
Originally posted by gatchamarie But then, we can say that we're used even in these days to find imitation products which differ from originals in some, or many ways! The ones we're seeing have so many of these differences and abnormalities that they just look awkward!And it is those differences that make them collectors items. Maybe even making them worth more than if they were accurate copies. As much as I would prefer to have a perfect copy.
The Other Jason
Boardie
posted 16 Apr 2011 16:03
Hi all,
Originally posted by clouddancer I think those are buttons to press to make the rockets (that are on his arms) shoot. But that is just a guess, and I am just assuming those rockets are part of that Eagle doll.Not quite CD, but very close! Here's a page talking about that toy, with yet another creepy image of the full figure in a link at the end. http://www.gatchamangoods.com/Missfire.html "Missfire" indeed.
UnpublishedWriter
Gatchamaniac
posted 16 Apr 2011 16:16
Well, for those fans who want a 'butch' Swan or a 'metrosexual' Eagle, there are toys out there for them.
Snicker.
I wonder if that missile-firing Ken is the same as one I thought I recalled in one of James's posts on Ken toys? Wasn't there one with missile boobs there?
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 16 Apr 2011 16:51
Thanks for posting that link, Jason!
From the link:
This was a very early Gatchaman toy. It came with a vinyl Gatchaman doll and four missiles. The missiles when not in use, attached to his arms and legs. There were two big holes on his chest, where you could insert the missiles. Using a button on his back then fired them. I sure don't remember Ken firing missiles out of his chest on the show!WTH is Ken doing FIRING MISSILES FROM HIS CHEST??????? What were these toy manufacturers on???? Is this where Austin Powers got their inspiration for the Fembots?
Thanks for the link to the missile shooting Ken doll. Glad I was close to the idea.
Very creepy toy.
TJ, I haven't seen Austin Powers, but Fembots were feature on the Bionic Woman and Six Million Dollar Man. They were the creepy female robots that looked normal until their faces were knocked off to reveal a bunch of circuitry. Does that sound anything like the Fembots from Austic Powers?
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 17 Apr 2011 18:08
The ones from Austin Powers shot poison gas from guns in their breasts. That's why this Ken doll reminded me of them.
If you want some vintage Gatchaman toys that are in 'pre-loved' shape, but far less creepy, check out this ninja team!
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-POPY-GATCHAMAN-G-FORCE-NINJA-TEAM-/290534540166?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a5354386#ht_662wt_907
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 17 Apr 2011 18:36
It looks like only the Swan has her wings with that set and the Swallow and Swan are missing their helmets. I am surprised it is selling for the price it is.
Anyone know anything about Popy toys? I seem to recall James mentioning something about them but can not remember what it was.
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 17 Apr 2011 18:37
I believe Popy was the Japanese company who was the official sponsor of the show in Japan, when it first aired.
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 17 Apr 2011 18:43
Ahhh, that is right. Weren't they the ones who wanted the next series to be created around their toys. Which is why we had the change in the Phoenix to the Chicken Ship and then the Gatchaspartan?
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 17 Apr 2011 19:25
Yes, that's my recollection as well, CD.
Originally posted by The Other Jason Not quite CD, but very close! Here's a page talking about that toy, with yet another creepy image of the full figure in a link at the end. http://www.gatchamangoods.com/Missfire.html "Missfire" indeed.Creepy image indeed! Yikes. Does fully explain what going on with Ken's chest though. A missile-firing Ken is kind of a fun idea for an action figure. If only they'd put the launch sites somewhere other than there... Like maybe his shoulders, or his belt.
Originally posted by amethyst but Fembots were feature on the Bionic Woman and Six Million Dollar Man. They were the creepy female robots that looked normal until their faces were knocked off to reveal a bunch of circuitry.I remember the Bionic Woman "fembots"! I loved that show as a kid! But other than them being unusually strong, like Jaimie, I don't recall them having any built-in weapons.
gatchamarie
Gatchamaniac
posted 18 Apr 2011 03:35
Thanks for the links, Jason and TJ! IMHO, the missile-firing Ken does really not make sense! Other than the Fembots, the only other match I thought about when I first saw that action figure of Ken's, which could shoot missiles from his chest, was Venus, the robot companion of the Great Mazinger!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_A
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 23 Nov 2011 10:48
I recently came across this one. Did you know that underneath his helmet, Gatchaman was really Burt Ward?
And it looks like Burt stole Bruce's black cape too!
And it looks like Burt stole Bruce's black cape too!
It will help keep his secret identity a secret! 
That hair, those eyebrows! He must have decided that eagles are cooler than robins (and stolen Batman's cape while he was at it)!
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 23 Nov 2011 13:06
I know! those eyebrows are scary! It looks like two very hairy caterpillars crawled up onto his face and died!
ACK!!!! *hides*
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 23 Nov 2011 14:46
Originally posted by Transmute Jun I know! those eyebrows are scary! It looks like two very hairy caterpillars crawled up onto his face and died!LOL. I remember saying that about my father's mustache when he grew one once. Was that something an individual created/put together, using different set pieces, TJ? Or was that a toy produced by a company?
Becky Rock
Gatchamaniac
posted 23 Nov 2011 15:09
If it was from a company, they sucked.
How many kids had nightmares after getting one for Christmas?
Is he supposed to look so pudgy? Or is it maybe the Owl trying on the Eagle's birdstyle?
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 23 Nov 2011 18:56
Originally posted by clouddancer Was that something an individual created/put together, using different set pieces, TJ? Or was that a toy produced by a company?My understanding is that this is bootlegged (i.e. did not have Tatsunoko permission) but was an actual toy manufactured ands sold in Asia in the 70s.
The result of a newest Galactor weapon. Behold, the dorkifier. (the test of the prototype resulted in 94 OVA Ken)
Originally posted by Transmute JunBootlegged is right! I'm surprised they got the bird symbol and buckle right, yet the cape, perhaps the most obvious feature of each character, so badly wrong!Originally posted by clouddancer Was that something an individual created/put together, using different set pieces, TJ? Or was that a toy produced by a company?My understanding is that this is bootlegged (i.e. did not have Tatsunoko permission) but was an actual toy manufactured ands sold in Asia in the 70s.
Originally posted by Victoria The result of a newest Galactor weapon. Behold, the dorkifier. (the test of the prototype resulted in 94 OVA Ken)The dorkifier! OMG- laughing so hard- you are giving me picture/fic ideas, you naughty girl!
UnpublishedWriter
Gatchamaniac
posted 24 Nov 2011 07:48
The Dorkifier, paired with the Fanon Cannon, would decimate the team.
(I cannot remember the name of the fic in which the Fanon Cannon appears, but it does cause Joe considerable distress just in concept. The fic was rather funny, since it made fun of poor spelling and some of the peculiarities of fanfiction.)
the fic that's just dying to be written!!!
Originally posted by clouddancerMy Dad, actually, has some seriously "Gandalf" eyebrows (along with a mustache and beard -but those, at least, he keeps trimmed). I wonder what he'd think if I compared them to caterpillars?Originally posted by Transmute Jun I know! those eyebrows are scary! It looks like two very hairy caterpillars crawled up onto his face and died!LOL. I remember saying that about my father's mustache when he grew one once.
Originally posted by Victoria The result of a newest Galactor weapon. Behold, the dorkifier. (the test of the prototype resulted in 94 OVA Ken)I agree with KT -a great fic idea, that!
gatchamarie
Gatchamaniac
posted 25 Nov 2011 09:04
Cannot help but at seeing that pic! That toy is just ridiculous!
at seeing that pic! That toy is just ridiculous!
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