I have vague memories of the "Thundercats" cartoon from the 80s, and am dimly aware that Top Cow did some BOTP crossover comics with other series. This guy decided to review a Thundercats/BOTP crossover comic, but apparently not the Top Cow one, but rather one done by the company that published the Thundercats comics, Wildstorm. If you can handle the guy's somewhat... annoying voice and manner, it's sort of an interesting review in a "WTF?" kind of way. He doesn't actually start reviewing until about 3.52 though. That this guy's reviews are titled "Anime Abomination" provides a clue as to his opinion of the comic. I'm rather inclined to agree. http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/36977267 I must say, this image sort of freaked me out -some "cross-overs" should never be! Figures, though, that Jason would get the girl.

LOL... change a few colors on that image, and it could be Jason kissing a random blonde... ETA... I suck at Photoshop... but to me, it looks like he's kissing LB!

That's great!

Originally posted by Transmute Jun ETA... I suck at Photoshop... but to me, it looks like he's kissing LB!

Or kissing you! In either case, an improvement over a cat/woman from a cartoon that I only remember (no doubt, with snarky teenaged bias) as being very silly!

Wow, good find LB, but unfortunately I can not watch much of it. That "accent" and slurring is terrible, it is too irritating and gets on my nerves.

Yes, irritating. I turned the volume down to the minimum necessary to just make out his words. I've actually read and enjoyed fics where Gatch or BOTP is "crossed over" with something else, even when the "something else" is something I know little or nothing about. As well as that classic, the Gatch/BOTP crossover fic. Vague ideas for crossovers have occurred to me now and then but I currently doubt I'll ever write one, for lack of a viable story idea and the necessity of too much re-reading or re-watching to refresh my memory about the other half. Or it would be a ridiculously incompatible premise -ie. Gatchaman/Lord of the Rings.

You could crossover with a story you have read, or been listening to. Or even send them back in time to an era in history you know about - I know you are a history buff.

Time travel has occurred to me too. Actually, I'd probably have more fun with that, and I once did have sort of an idea -I'll have to give that one some more thought... Anything would be better than this!

!!!!! That would certainly be an interesting fic...

Iborgia88...BIG thanks. I forgot that I had those comics in my collection, so I went through the comic as I watched the link, I found the second one he was talking about the One Shot cCossover (art work is much better) and then found one with Princess/Witchblade (that ones interesting) Anyway I'm off to read some comics Thanks for the link "Anderson that's me" snigger... that's stuck in my head now!

I couldn't stand his voice either. I turned the volume off at about 4 and hald minutes. It seemed very disjointed. Please tell me the comic wasn't really like that... I've got the Top Cow one and it wasn't that bad.

Well, I think I'm going to pass on the video review. Though I would probably read the comic even if I'm not to thrilled about the quasi-bestiality potential in it (takes a bit more than that to squick me). LB, I do agree with you on the cross-overs though. Some of the best cross-overs that I've read have been in this fandom. It would be interesting to explore why they work here, but not necessarily in other fandoms. Is it the fans? The talent of the writers in this fandom? The plausibility that the universes in this fandom can easily match with other universes?

Originally posted by amethyst Some of the best cross-overs that I've read have been in this fandom. It would be interesting to explore why they work here, but not necessarily in other fandoms. Is it the fans? The talent of the writers in this fandom? The plausibility that the universes in this fandom can easily match with other universes?

Interesting food for thought... I honestly do think that the Gatch/BOTP fandom has a higher caliber of writers and fans than many other fandoms out there (though, yes, I'm very biased here!) in part because we're *cough* a tad more... mature with all the real life experience that entails but also because, for many of us, we can still tap into the imagination and excitement that BOTP instilled in us when we were quite young. I also do think that Gatch and BOTP might be more "easily matched" with a greater variety of other fandoms. Because of the dual civilian/super hero lives the characters lead in both versions, I think it's possible to focus on the more "realistic" aspects of day-to-day life for the Gatch/BOTP characters -after all, Utoland and its BOTP equivalent look pretty much like any city you might see in our own lives and outside of missions, the characters are doing ordinary things- and blend them quite well with a fandom that's based very much in our time and reality. But on the other hand, I think you can also focus on the more "sci fi" aspects too -bizarre mechas/weapons/secret bases, wacky science (and in the case of BOTP) space travel, other planets, alien races etc. and blend Gatch and BOTP quite successfully with almost any fandom that has some sort of sci fi premise. What I think might be the hardest fit would be trying to crossover Gatch or BOTP with a fandom based in fantasy/magic. I've already joked about the implausibility of BOTP/LOTR, but I would have an equally hard time trying to imagine a "The Science Ninja Team goes to Hogwarts!" crossover! Unless, I'm just being too unimaginative here.

Interesting find, LB, and thanks for sharing! I might be biased, but since I've never been such an enthusiast of "Thundercats" I just cannot see a viable crossover of these with Gatch/BotP, especially after seeing the pic you've attached! At least, TJ managed to make it look more decent!! And I totally agree with what you're saying regarding Gatchaman/BotP being rather incompatible with other fantasy/magical universes! Honestly, I wouldn't like to see the crossing of such a border, IYKWIM! It wouldn't remain Gatch/BotP for me, even if we're actually talking about cross-overs! Extra-terrestrial issues, of course, and maybe even some slight involvement of myth, as is that around the figure of the Phoenix, but not fantasy magic!

Originally posted by lborgia88 Interesting food for thought... I honestly do think that the Gatch/BOTP fandom has a higher caliber of writers and fans than many other fandoms out there (though, yes, I'm very biased here!) in part because we're *cough* a tad more... mature with all the real life experience that entails but also because, for many of us, we can still tap into the imagination and excitement that BOTP instilled in us when we were quite young.

That is what I was thinking. We are all a little more mature and so have a more realistic handle on life. We have dealt with many of the situations we write about so can put our own feelings and experiences into them, rather than imagining what the characters and real people feel. That, I think, is what makes a story seem much more likely to happen, and makes me connect or feel an interest in the story.

I haven't read that much in other fandoms, so it's really difficult for me to compare. But certainly we're going to be older and more 'experienced' than the average Harry Potter fan! As for whether or not we doo the best crossovers... I've only tried my hand at one, and it was rather silly. But then, I was in a pretty giggly mood when I came up with it.

Originally posted by lborgia88What I think might be the hardest fit would be trying to crossover Gatch or BOTP with a fandom based in fantasy/magic. I've already joked about the implausibility of BOTP/LOTR, but I would have an equally hard time trying to imagine a "The Science Ninja Team goes to Hogwarts!" crossover! Unless, I'm just being too unimaginative here.

No, I don't think you are being unimaginative at all. I've written in the HP fandom and the crossovers there are some of the worst. Usually what happens is the immature writers just drop their favorite characters from other universes into Hogwarts or the more mature writers try to hard with it, but the result is still the same. It has nothing to do with imagination. With fantasy our "willing suspension of disbelief" is usually stretched to begin with. We use to see how this could be possible in another reality. However, when we take something foreign to the reality and try to blend it often pushes the reader beyond any plausible belief. The other obstacle faced in the HP world is that it deals with two different worlds Muggle and Magical. The writer has to decide which world to deal with or how to make the visiting characters fit with one or the other. It is a difficult task for even the most talented of writers. ** You know, sometimes I think I spend too much time thinking about this stuff**

Sounds like a challenge to me I though about doing one with an anima / cartoon meet up, I had Joe seducing Jessica Rabbit (I think Roger got eaten) Joe in the Great Race along side muttley, Jason getting drunk with Trixie and Bitching about Speed, another one when there was a cartooners strike or there was something in the water and they got their characters mixed up in their shows or they were delived to the wrong stations, keyop and marine boy, and one were Gatchaman and justice league met up to fight spectra. another one were there was a cartoon/ anima union meeting and all had to attend in regards to the new rating on programs eg PG13, R rating, Adults only etc there was a lot of violence in that one and not from Joe and Jason, the meeting ended badly, their was ink and water colour stains everywere I was having a stange day, so the storys did not get to far and just got filed but...Harry Potter...keyop and Jinipi would love the animals

Originally posted by amethyst I've written in the HP fandom and the crossovers there are some of the worst. Usually what happens is the immature writers just drop their favorite characters from other universes into Hogwarts

Or drop their favourite characters into the Coral Crescent Base? I agree, no amount of good writing (assuming it's good) can ever completely overcome a fundamentally unbelievable premise. The only exception, I think, is when the author is being tongue-in-cheek and playing it for laughs.

Originally posted by amethyst ** You know, sometimes I think I spend too much time thinking about this stuff**

No, that's the fun part!

Originally posted by lborgia88The only exception, I think, is when the author is being tongue-in-cheek and playing it for laughs.

I agree. Satire or even well-thought out crack fics can be great. LW, your ideas work great for this type of writing. Next time you are in the mood dust one off and share it with us.

Originally posted by lborgia88

Originally posted by amethyst ** You know, sometimes I think I spend too much time thinking about this stuff**

No, that's the fun part!

Sorry I did not get to post to this earlier, but the kiddies needed me and I got distracted. I was going to say, that is what makes you, or any person, a good writer, thinking about writing and what you like or dislike about an author's writing.

I agree that we have a strong group of writers here. We put a lot of thought into what we write and we tend to use beta readers. I've read a little other fandoms - Enterprise, Cal Leandros, League of Super Heroes, Space 1999. I'm 50-50 on what I've read in those. I think it depends upon the crossover as well. They either have to have something in common or you can weave it together well. I've got my four going and I had to think about them before I decided to write them. The BotP/OAV was a natural.The Enterprise one just came from an idea of the crew being a team, then Trip being Jason's descendent, etc. The House one came out of a discussion a few years ago in the old Yahoo group and Blood Line was just an extended version of my book Daywalker. I don't know why I like crossovers. I just find them fn to write.

Originally posted by clouddancer

Originally posted by lborgia88

Originally posted by amethyst ** You know, sometimes I think I spend too much time thinking about this stuff**

No, that's the fun part!

I was going to say, that is what makes you, or any person, a good writer, thinking about writing and what you like or dislike about an author's writing.

That could be the main difference between regular people and those who are active in a fandom -they would say we're "spending too much time thinking" about Gatch/BOTP, but we see the value in it -the scope for creativity and improvement in writing, drawing etc., as well as the fun and the enjoyment of knowing others who are also "thinking about it too much."

I like that thought LB. Certainly joining this site has opened MY creativity and made me enjoy writing again, instead of fearing the process. I am not sure how much "thinking about the writing process I do" I was never very good at that in school - and I am meant to be an English Major. I guess, unconsciously, (or is that subconsciously?) I have absorbed more than I thought I did.

With all the talking about crossovers I just had to add a comment or 2. I love SJ's crossover with CSI I believe it is. Was totally believeable and I loved the interaction between the 2 worlds. However, some of my all time fav Crossovers are between Gatch/BoftheP's. Can't remember the name of the one where Joe time traveled to BotP world and woke up as Jason in the Lucy episode I think it was. I remember him wanting to tear Zark apart and everyone horrified every time he cursed. Hilarious. My fav part was the twist at the end where he woke up as Dirk. Giggle...

I like SJ's, too. Other favorites are UW's L&O:SVU crossover, and Becky's Enterprise crossover. Maybe what we need is a thread for crossovers. We can post links to our favorites, writers can pimp, etc.

Originally posted by Pufles65 Can't remember the name of the one where Joe time traveled to BotP world and woke up as Jason in the Lucy episode I think it was.

Might be Evangelina's "No Swearing Allowed"?

Yes, I think that's right, LB!

If I recall, in another thread, we had the idea of a crossover between different language dubs of Gatch/BOTP. That's something that, as far as I know, hasn't been tried yet! One of these days, I could take a stab at having "Thierry" (French-dubbed Jason) end up in the English BOTP...

Thierry? What were the other names? Sorry - I haven't read the French BotP thread. Going over to do so.

Mark and Princess were still "Marc" and "Princesse" but Tiny is "Alumette" and Keyop is "Kipo." I want to think that "Allumette" means something like "matchstick" in French -I can't figure out why Tiny would have a name like that though, unless it's some reference to him being the pilot of a ship that can go "fiery phoenix."

I think it's a play on words, similar to 'Tiny'... after all, Tiny is anything *but* tiny, and a matchstick is an object people often reference for being thin.

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TJ ... I read your message just after I sent mine! ... your line of thought does really make sense, also!

Originally posted by Transmute Jun Tiny is anything *but* tiny, and a matchstick is an object people often reference for being thin.

Originally posted by gatchamarie ... apart from matchsticks, everything indicates food!!

Ah, I think you've definitely figured it out!

So he was named after a 'French Fry'. That's hilarious!

Originally posted by lborgia88 Might be Evangelina's "No Swearing Allowed"?

That's it LB, thank you. I don't think I laughed so hard in a fic in aquite a while after reading that one. I appreciate you finding it out for me. Hmm might have to go read it again. Thank you.

Hey, you're welcome! I believe it's at gatchfanfic.com

Originally posted by Becky Rock So he was named after a 'French Fry'. That's hilarious!

Yeah, poor Owl, he gets names like "Tiny," "Hootie," "Matchstick/French Fry"... There's even a Hong Kong subbed bootleg of Gatchman where he's named "Dragon" (though in that version, apparently the Swallow is "Sting" which is even stranger!)

Maybe that Hong Kong version wanted 'cooler' names? In comparison to all of this, Ollie Keeawani, the laid-back Hawaiian in Eagle Riders seems fairly cool too!

Actually I think of Dragon as suiting the Owl very well. Like a dragon he is big, strong and if you think about it is not really designed aerodynamically, and yet he can still fly, when he needs to. I also like to think of dragons as being gentle but once they are irritated, or attacked, then they CAN become a deadly opponent. But then that is MY interpretation of dragons. I have heard many other interpretations that would not come close to the Owl's personality or characteristics.

Originally posted by lborgia88 There's even a Hong Kong subbed bootleg of Gatchman where he's named "Dragon"

If I'm recalling well, "Ryu" is a Japanese word for "Dragon", so there might have been a direct translation in that case!

That does sound like something that Tatsunokofan explained here once... Dragons are admirable creatures, but to me, "Dragon" sounds more like a call sign or code name than a given name, and "Hooty" and "Tiny" (and "Alumette") sound like nicknames to me -not names that would likely be on anyone's birth certificate, whereas "Ryu" or "Ollie" (I assume really "Oliver") probably would be. Wondering now if "Princess" is the name on her birth certificate or if it's a nick name...

In RL, 'Princess' is more likely to be a lower-class name in the US. The Sandy Frank people were straining for Star Wars connections (hence Zark's appearance), and if they couldn't work in a real noblewoman, they'd just give the one female character the name. (Oh, dear: what might have happened had they gotten Gatch II, with Dr. Pandora?) Couldn't get the video to cooperate. Might have been a YouTube problem. Might try later.

You are correct LB, Dragon does sound more like a nickname to me as well. I always think of Tiny and Princess as nicknames where as the other three as their (can I say) Christening Name? The name on their birth certificate. Although, as I am writing this I am now wondering, if in my AU, I could have Keyop's name a shortened name (a nickname) of his Rigan one. An unfavorable slur that bullier Don gives him. Hmmm, have to think on that.

I always thought Keyop was just a 'spacey' name... something a little exotic. Perhaps an homage to Keye Luke?

Originally posted by UnpublishedWriter (Oh, dear: what might have happened had they gotten Gatch II, with Dr. Pandora?)

The closest thing is a box!! Sorry for perhaps going somewhere else ... we're talking about many plausible explanations for different names attributed to our favourite characters but, I think, no one could ever be able to explain to me why the Italians have changed Jun's name to "Pretty Jane"!!!!! "Jane" could well be the nearest name to "Jun", even though I really can't understand why they didn't actually use an Italian name after going through the hassle of changing her name, but ... "Pretty" ... and, this being put before "Jane" ... nah!!!!

"Princess," for me, has rather the connotation of a spoiled brat "Daddy's girl," sort of like Archie's Veronica (and I always rooted for Betty...) Fortunately, the BOTP "Princess" never acted like that!

Originally posted by gatchamarie but, I think, no one could ever be able to explain to me why the Italians have changed Jun's name to "Pretty Jane"!!!!!

Worried that viewers would be put off by her green hair?

That could be the most plausible explanation, LB!!

Originally posted by UnpublishedWriter In RL, 'Princess' is more likely to be a lower-class name in the US.

That is somewhat true now, but would it have been that way back in the late 70's.

The Sandy Frank people were straining for Star Wars connections (hence Zark's appearance), and if they couldn't work in a real noblewoman, they'd just give the one female character the name.

Definite possibility there! Though, it does beg the question: Are Mark and Princess brother and sister?

NO!!!! DEFINITELY NOT! No relationship between Mark and Princess of the brother/sister type. None. 'Nuff said.

I just had to ask.

That is quite icky to think about, especially in the BOTP context, where Mark and Princess flirt rather openly (or at least compared to Gatch)! Though I could maybe buy it in a fic, though, if it went somewhat AU and established that Mark and Princess had either always known they were siblings or had always had only sibling-like feelings for one another. Certainly would be an indisputable way to pave the road for Princess/Jason, though really, it would be making it too easy. Though now that I think about it, I'm wondering how Star Wars got away with it... I guess because by "Empire Strikes Back" it was readily apparent that Leia/Han was the way it was going, and most people liked Han better than Luke anyway, at least for Leia.

I always thought that Lucas either didn't already know/plan that Leia was Luke's sister when he made Empire OR he was trying to throw everyone off that scent. Because really, if you think about it, that kiss is pretty icky, knowing they're twins.

And I don't think it was the only one, either. I do believe there was one earlier in the movie, or was it later, when Luke was in the infirmary.

I can think of one Mark/Luke parallel -finding out that their father isn't really dead and is, in fact, someone they already know... Except really, that should have made Zoltar into Mark's father.

And Jason fits the Loner-character in place of Han Solo. Can't you just see a young Harrison Ford playing Jason in a BotP movie?

That would have been interesting.

Originally posted by amethyst Can't you just see a young Harrison Ford playing Jason in a BotP movie?

I don't know why, but Harrison Ford's shape of the eyes, expressions and his general attitude do take me that way!!

I don't know... I never liked Harrison Ford that much. He just doesn't have any sex appeal. At least, to me. I know other people might disagree.

I liked him when he was younger, but I don't think he's aged well. Unlike Sean Connery....

He might not have aged as well as Sean Connery, but I don't he's aged too bad. But then I am admittedly biased.

Apparently a Gatch/Tolkien cross isn't quite as far-fetched as I'd thought: Elves and Rangers are ninjas. http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2011/05/08/44163-guest-article-elves-rangers-and-the-ninja/ Joe and Legolas can have a shuriken vs. arrows contest...

Originally posted by lborgia88 Time travel has occurred to me too. Actually, I'd probably have more fun with that, and I once did have sort of an idea -I'll have to give that one some more thought... Anything would be better than this!

I can just see Berg Katse teamed up with Feanor.

Interesting thought! And as soon as they got the silmarils back from Morgoth, they'd be fighting over them themselves. Or Katse would switch sides and supplant Sauron.