Oh, my goodness. I logged onto the site today and was immediately awed at what I saw. There, through my monitor, I could see someone sitting. The person looked normal, except for one thing. His pants! They were incredible. My eyes lingered on the fine detailing of the seams. Truly, sitting before me, was Wonderpants! Such an honor. ... Heh. Welcome to the board. Tell us all about yourself (deep, dark secrets are optional ^_~) and enjoy the wonderful little trap that is Gatchamania. Prepare to become insane. May your pants have mercy on us all.

Take your eyes off my seams! Thank you..... OK, lemme see: I'm in the UK, male, and currently rediscovering Battle of the Planets as a 20something, having vague memories of watching the toon as a kid. Seeing the BOTP 7" and 12 Mark/Jason figures brought it all back for me, and I eventually ended up buying Princess (there's something about a short skirt and thigh high boots that does it for me every time). And then I discovered the 12" Princess figure.... In between buying the Princesses and flipping through the BOTP comics in my local Forbidden Planet, I found my way here via the Topcow BOTP forum. //takes a bow There were discussions in a couple of threads there that caught my eye, namely toy feather shurikens being mentioned (These would be great for 12" Princess, whose major flaw is a lack of weapons), and Gatchaman doujinshi, whatever that might be. Anyone got any info on either of those two?

I just want to say welcome Wonderpants to this addicitive little sight. I hope you like it here.

Doujinshi is the Japanese term for published fan-made manga. Some of it's good, some of it...er, anyways... Top Cow forum, eh? I bet you're excited about the mini-series featuring Princess that's coming up. Course, as far as I know, they don't even have an estimate as to when it'll be out. Still, page after page of our favorite heroine. ^_^

Just for you, Wonderpants, some feather shuriken. (what a great username)

Ta muchly, all. Anyone got any Doujinshi links? And this is something that I've been wondering about for a while: Where did Princess get green hair from (as seen in the comics and a lot of fan art), when she had black hair in the toon?

Ola Wonderpants, I remember there was a discussion about Prin's hair being multicoloured somewhere on the forums but can't for life of me remember exactly....lets just say we had some interesting theories!

Jun's hair is mostly dark green, but depending on the lighting (and the quality of the colorist) it seems to range from black to a very solid green color. re/doujinshi - i have it from Sayuri that most of the doujin are very old (as in, twenty years from when Gatchaman first came out) and are impossible to find now. i've done a bit of looking myself but if they're out there, they're buried.

Doujinshi turn up on the yahoo japan auctions. The Mask series and El Condor Pasa most often, since they're so much more recent than the others. Then yaoi and hentai ones more rarely, and most rarely of all ones which don't look as if they're about sex! Actually, that makes it look as if El Condor Pasa is all about sex, but that one's got no sex in it.

true .. i'd forgotten about the yahoo auctions. i guess i automatically write them off because most (if not all) don't ship outside of Japan and i havent gotten off my lazy duff to find a buyer there who will handle the transaction. NinjaSam's had success with that, but i think if i get another package that is postmarked from Japan i'll be disowned.

Celga are reliable. The extra charges really add up though, not that I'm complaining about their commission rates because they're quite reasonable. But it really bumps up the cost of whatever you're buying.

Originally posted by Cep Ola Wonderpants, I remember there was a discussion about Prin's hair being multicoloured somewhere on the forums but can't for life of me remember exactly....lets just say we had some interesting theories!

Well, I remember some of those theories. Snicker. I also recall that it goes back to something I read on the cost of ink. As mentioned before, black ink costs much more than colored ink. So Japanese anime artists popularized non-black (read: non-japanese) colored hair. Purple, blue, orange, red, pink, and yes, green. The first season of Gatch has our Junnie with black hair, but later seasons, due to cost effective measures I am guessing, changed her hair green. Makes sense to me anyway.

Yeah, I found the thread about the hair colour discussion. Heh.

Here I thought it was so us fanfic writers could come up with theories. Welcome to the board, WonderPants.

and im here too (some of my fic in the fic section, plus a review of the box set.) I have those shuriken too

Welcome to the board wonderpants. I am sure Imi will be with you soon to do the obligatory frisking. Hope you aren't hiding anything as Imi loves to do a very thorough search

I am known to bite. From time to time....

You and the rest of the board. ^_^ Watch out for Imi, though. There are some things worse than being bitten.

Oh Im sure Wonderpants will get to find that out about now...wont he? *slowgrins..and backs wonderpants towards the Frisking room..* Hello..Breakfast!..*evil grin* Welcome to the Board..Quite a nice intro there wonderpants and good questions!..you even had ME of all people trying to search for those doushinjis and toy shurikens!! got to admit the pic in this thread of the toy shurikens as well as the screencaps of the G3 in her wonderful array of hair colours are simply droolworthy! Best I can come up with is for you to go through http://www2.angulang.org.uk/ to find the various merchandise/figurine links especially via the Japaneses sites..they are a MUST esp for doushinji searching.. !! Very rare to find any doushinji's for sale..though I found THIS at Hobbylink Japan : http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?GIN77016 And throwing this link for your perusal and enjoyment It the Gatchaman Goodies Page..Love looking at these pages.. http://www.gatchamangoods.com/page3.html Enjoy and knock yourself out if you havent viewed the above sites before.. If you have...then lets check those chompers of yours..and lets see whose bite is worse. *smirk* im not adverse to some pleasurable nips and nibbles ..and im dying to try some wonderpanties on you as well as those wonderpants... *Smile spreads into one heck of a sly grin as Wonderpants is whisked into Frisking Room, door locking behind them..

Ooh, so Gatchaman Material is back in stock? A very nice picture book, but also quite a lot of frustratingly unreadable text. Unless you read japanese, in which case it's packed with useful information.

//opens the doors and walks out of the frisking room, casually twirling a shuriken between his fingers Yep, nice screencaps of Princess. Of course, I've got lots already though.

Fcuking hell! I think I'll be spending the rest of the night looking at www.birdgo.com........

It is a great website isn't it?

Yes it is pretty fondo! Just wonder why Lyon or Sam haven't added their site to the links directory here.

i'm lazy as hell? not sure what Sam's excuse is...

Heh. Probably the same.

I see Imi skimp on the frisking again Just as well you have the Screencaps to keep you amused

Peh. Imi's been slacking off. Perhaps she just doesn't have what it takes anymore? *sigh* Or maybe she's asleep. Like this: Ew...she's drooling...gross. Imi! Wake up!

Well, since there seems to be a shortage of Princess orientated websites on the Net, here's my fledgling site: The Snack Jun shrine All comments are welcomed. And I may have used pics that are hosted on the sites of some people here. I've gotten to the point where I've got too many pics to keep track of where they come from. No disrespect is intended, and I'll be happy to take the images down if you don't want me to use them.

remove the BirdGo screencaps - you didn't ask and i'm not feeling more than tolerably forgiving at the moment.

Hard to comment when there's nothing there.... Since the images have been shrunk I can't tell whether they're all from birdgo or not. However, Wonderpants, you have made them from full size images and since Lyon has marked all of hers you have no excuse of saying that you don't know where they came from. That's just rude. I recall Sayuri being very upset some months ago about the use of fanart on sites without any credit being given to the artist or permission asked (admittedly it's hard to ask permission due to the language difficulties). But that G3 in G1 pose on your front page is definitely fanart not Tatsunoko stock art, and whoever produced it would most likely be upset to see it there too. On the other hand, due to the language problems, they're also less likely to complain.

unless Sayuri sees it, in which case she'll raise holy hell in both languages. grin. gotta love her but man, that Hammer of Copyright Violation +2 falls with a tremendous thunk. i know, because i got hit with it once for uploading some of Robix' stuff for Mei, and then forgetting to immediately remove it once it had been grabbed. i think i still have a scar....

I caught Sayuri's wrath indirectly because I was one of several people linking to pics on japanese sites from the old forums here. She certainly knows how to make her point... I haven't done it since. Fact is, I wouldn't like fanart misappropriation to happen to me either, although it's far less likely because I'm not such a good artist that my stuff is going to get pinched. But a lot of the stuff by Sayuri and Robix and Haha (and all those other ones) is so good it's hard to resist.

pinched for personal archive is expected or it wouldnt be placed online. its the "pinch and display on my own website" that gets annoying. and every so often i find my own personal art in places it does not belong - its a bit startling. although if you get down to brass tacks, i'm pinching from Tatsunoko which isnt right either. however, i defend my original demand for picture retraction from Wondertrousers since it was my time, effort and skill that grabbed those pictures (along with Sam's money at purchasing them for me as a gift) .. and its very rude to pinch when the logo (complete with web address) makes its very clear they were stolen.

Unfortuanetly Wonderpants I'll have to remove the link to this site if the above is still true in two days time. Sorry but dems is de rules

Ok, the pictures will be removed. Again, sorry for any offense (although yes, I should have noticed the BirdGo logo...)

Dammit...I go into intensive training for a couple of days and I miss the action! Did Lyon actually bare teeth and growl ...without using plasma rifle..and THEY LIVED?! Wonderpants...you surivivor of the year!. Id start buying lottery tickets if I were you..youre THAT damn lucky to have come out of that scathing with nothing but mere scratches! LOL! Ah sometimes we have to take the hard path to learn copyright lessons and respect original fan artisists and their work..*grin* Im sorry you had to find out the hard way how to ASK PERMISSION first to display art. Is true that the art is on the net.. for personal enjoyment and admiration..so I can understand the exuberance in opening up a site and showcasing a variety of artists interpretation for our beloved heroine the G3.. Theres no prob in starting up a site..or even showing pics..IF permission has been granted by the artist first. Its only a matter of emailing them. Sometimes youll find theyll aprove as long as you link their site..Problem I can relate to ..you end up with so many gorgeous pics and you cant remember where you got them from! Worst kind of snide and disrespect is putting up a pic with no permission, no link or even worse passing it off as your own. Actually expereinces like these are a major learning curve for any website esp a new one..you can only learn through experience.. And Gods yes...*huge wistful sighsmile*..I too recall Sayuris and G002's displeasure at our naively exuberant attempts to dispaly, share and translate a wonderful Japanese fanfic also showing Robix's work.. :drool: Dammit ..what was my point again? Ah!...Well we all sure learnt after that and to date no one has dispalyed work that has not had permission..or the artists/author themselves contributed theri work here!. .Actually My avatar is Sayuri's work!.Alll it took was a respectful email asking permission My experience with every artist/author so far has been extremely aweinspriring and jawdropping of their efforts < and that DEFINITELY includes you as well Merry!!> Get to know them, and you might be surprised to find them in a congenial enough mood to ask them to commission some work just for you! .. ( on the flip side of the same argument...Imagine then how it must feel if you did the hard work of asking for a pic..theyve drawn just for you..pinched and shown on someone elses site!..) Anyways , congrats on showing some humility and apologising and surviving your encounter while building up your site! Excuse me... *grabs Lyon, Merry, Sayuri as well as every other artist/.author in the Frisking Room * Next time I want to see plasma rifles, greenades and birdmissiles- and blucketloads of blood and gore!!!! YEAH BABY YEAH!!!

But that G3 in G1 pose on your front page is definitely fanart not Tatsunoko stock art, and whoever produced it would most likely be upset to see it there too. On the other hand, due to the language problems, they're also less likely to complain.

I can tell you exactly where that picture came from because I was just checking out the site the other day. It is from utolandcity.com and the artist is Anoji. Wonderpants, you need to be careful when putting up any art of any kind. Before you go any further with this site I suggest you read up on your copyright laws so you may further avoid this sort of situation. I think Lyon was being pretty calm considering. I know as an artist I get pretty worked up over stuff like this.

Originally posted by stardust Wonderpants, you need to be careful when putting up any art of any kind. Before you go any further with this site I suggest you read up on your copyright laws so you may further avoid this sort of situation. I think Lyon was being pretty calm considering. I know as an artist I get pretty worked up over stuff like this.

No, I won't be hosting any more pics without owner's permission, but since I've stupidly made myself look like a dickhead, I guess I'll bow out and leave you all as I found you. No hard feelings though, hopefully.

Oh Wonderpants, you don't need to leave.

Aww no need to leave WP, just because you made a simple mistake is no need to feel outcast. Besides you were willing to rectify it so I'm sure everyones happy with that.

Everyone makes mistakes! The lucky ones get told about it. Seriously, the fact that you said, "Oops, didn't realize, will fix" rather than "F$%^" counts big, very big. And both Meridian and Imaqtz admitted to making the same mistake -- so you're in very, very good company. While we're on the topic, is it generally okay to say "hey, check out my friend's work at www.ssss.com", or should you get permission. They have to go to the friend's site to see it. Hubby and I say that, if it's on the web without a password, you can advertise the URL. Artist friend says, no, it sucks up my bandwidth. Get permission first. All three of us agree that the above does not apply to large sites like CNN. And you should link to the site's intended entry page or at least a page that has the usual entry page info. What's the concensus here? Cricket

The consensus would be to STOP this patronising and condescending tone on a new member! . WE ALL have a lesson to learn from this thread. We sometimes take for granted that EVERYONE knows the rules and regulations regarding copyright , bandwidth stealing , art pinching and so forth.Most site's now carry such a warning or state it in their rules. Sometimes there IS no other way but a curt and swift "upside on the head" to anyone who may wittingly or unwittingly contravene those rules. However to continue in this condescending way AFTER member had apologised is JUST BEING RUDE! Its one thing to be a dickead and quite another to look and feel like one.. Im sorry Wonderpants had to look and feel like one AFTER he apologised. At least Sayuri had the good grace to acknowledge and even accepted our apology back then. NOONE was made to feel stupid or dickhead enough to leave the site with their tail between their legs! We might be "like minded " and share an appreciation of Gatchaman/BOTP etc..but we each come with varying senisitivities..and even MY Friggin tough as nails hide had my sensibilities offended to see such condensation AFTER WP apologised! Why am I so incensed? Because the guy was a NEW member..you could SEE his damn enthusiasm in discovering birdgo...and even his excitement in opening up a new site as a shrine to the Swan..in his obvious naivety he even states "And I may have used pics that are hosted on the sites of some people here. I've gotten to the point where I've got too many pics to keep track of where they come from. No disrespect is intended, and I'll be happy to take the images down if you don't want me to use them" Lyon rightly clued him in in no uncertain terms as did Meridian and Cep that the pics he had already put up were there illegally. Fine and good...Until he apologised , removed them ...and the REST OF US THEN POUNCED ON HIM with our condescending patronising little speeches! How could any new member who has just begun to rediscover the joy of Gatchaman..be nothing less than mortified enough to slink back into the shadows by it? When we got our dousing by Sayuri..we WERENT new members, and had developed enough confidence to weather that storm with many humble apologies for the infraction as well as start a very informative conversation with her about Japanese artists and their battle with people that infringe their copyright rules. Despite the language barrier, Sayuri and G002 took that time and effort to explain it. Most importantly, they acknowledged and accepted our apology for unwittingly displaying pics without prior permission. That alone deserves our continued admiration and respect for them. < a damn shame that particular thread got lost in the old forum reshuffle> Katse's Immediate reaction and rectification of this matter is still there however.. http://www.gatchamania.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=430 Effective immediately, I ask that all members refrain from posting any artwork, text excerpts or translation attempts on this messageboard. Posts may be made if it is your own personal work. If you want to post someone else's work, you must send me a copy of an email from the website owner/artist/writer stating that you have permission to post their work here. When you do post the work, please remember to include the name and url for the website from which you obtained it, and the name of the artist. ok...ive spent most of my anger and mortification now..Gods I was sooo ready to start ripping new holes into so many people here today...I still just might... See, I know most of you well enough to risk a war of words and admonishments even in my misplaced tirade Im good to go for a pouncetackle and good tussle ..shame WP is too new a member to do the same! WP Im sorry mate if you feel like you have to leave. Thats your choice. It takes someone of good standing to own up to a mistake and even apologise. Im sure youll never again underestimate the importance of asking permission for pics or how deeply that can irritate any artist .. Im sorry for my part and for the lack of common courtesy after your apology. Im sorrier it had to take you stating how you feel and opting out to bring forth our reactions. to the rest of you...Lets not get sooooooo ahead of ourselves , that we end up running over others.! Cricket you have a good topic for discussion in your post re urls and whats suitable to link...Place it on another thread for discussion ..would love to comment on it, just not in here.

jeez Imi. while it's good to know that you're still as volatile as ever, couldn't you have warned me first so i could have fortified with alcohol and a pair of dark shades before reading? and i didnt see any condescending, just some healthy back and forth ... but if WP feels that badly about it that he (she/it) feels the need to lick wounds after what amounted to a slap on the wrist, i'm not going to be all twitchy and haul him (her/it) back into the limelight. i would have been willing to make a special case for grabbing Jun screencaps for him (her/it), if he'd (she'd, they'd) asked politely as i'm going to be there anyways as i slog through all the episodes. but if WP is mortified by his (her, its) unwitting faux pas, then a decent moment of silence and regrouping is probably required before his pants will shine wonderously again.

tilts head viewing posts from a different angle I should have perhaps given a ten second countdown and set off sirens wanring of impending self implosion ..eh? Im still trying to figure out what exactly set me off in the first place.. Could be WP had that scolded puppy dog look.much like the puppy Joe saved..and I could have had shrapnel lodge itself in my brain, like he did when trying to save pup from supposed harm's way.....who knows? In any case, morning tirade was uncalled for and I was waay out of line..sticking my nose in places it had no place to be... Im sorry if I offended anyone..In my brain shredded state I percieved a snootiness of tone , even coming from me..and it riled and mortified * me* beyond belief.. No excuse really ..but there it is.. I just hate seeing anyone given a stern dressing down, and it appalled me to see WP refer to himself as a dickead..hell I dont know him from a bar of soap, but it was enough to stir a reaction.. Still no excuse... Each to their own, one cant counter for everyone's sensibilites nor sensitivities..tho Im still standing on my principles. I could say more..but Ill only end up rambling and making things ten times more convoluted... Best I can offer to you all , as a peace offering, is a case each of Kat's best bottle of fine red wine and Cep's finest most mature scotch < both stolen from their cellars without permission.*grin*> as well as kewlest Matrix style darkglasses.. for everyone!.. Oh..ok...ok..and a certificate to say "Im sorry. Please accept this certficate as a personal IOU for a free massage to soothe any stress .. "

hehe ....ey thats my whisky! *chases Imers*