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52 Replies 19213 Views 0 Likes 14 Participants Last post by Ebonyswanne 31 Mar 2009 16:48

Ebonyswanne Gatchamaniac posted 24 Mar 2009 18:46

Okay I hope I'm not jumping the gun here but this came up on the BOTP list... its apparently the offical Condor for the up and coming Gatchaman movie... I'm also going to attach the link... http://gatchakan.blog26.fc2.com/ Sooo whats the verdict everyone... I think he's hot..

gatchgirl Babbling Loonie posted 24 Mar 2009 18:49

I'm for it Ebony, but FTR it has been posted on here. Still can't have enough Condor, can we! Huggles

Huggles

Ebonyswanne Gatchamaniac posted 24 Mar 2009 21:57

Awe...it didn't see it so I decided to post it just in case...

clouddancer Gatchamaniac posted 25 Mar 2009 05:52 (edited 25 Mar 2009 05:56)

Yes Ebony we have been discussing that image in this thread Tokyo International Anime Fair 2009 But don't worry the more I see of this picture the more I enjoy it and gain a little more hope for the eventual release of the film. And, now the two are linked for anyone else who had missed this.

SJ_SwanJun Forum Goddess posted 25 Mar 2009 06:03

All I can say is ... mrrrrrooooooowwwwrrrr I missed the other thread, so this was a nice surprise for me. Thankee Ebony!! Yum yum SJ

Condorfan Master Boardie posted 25 Mar 2009 08:19

I agree with CD--the more I see this the more I like it. It seems that they are going for a body armor look for the uniforms.

SJ_SwanJun Forum Goddess posted 25 Mar 2009 08:51

The more I look at the pic the more I'm tempted to become a Condor fan ... Mmmmm ... SJ

veritas Exalted Member posted 25 Mar 2009 08:54

of course! back of the que tho.

SJ_SwanJun Forum Goddess posted 25 Mar 2009 09:02 (edited 25 Mar 2009 09:03)

Oh, I can wait at the back of the line, don't worry about that. I am still Mark's girl .. will always be ... But I find my eyes wandering right about now ...

Transmute Jun Queen of the Bird Missiles posted 25 Mar 2009 09:12

He definitely looks more like Ken. He still has a youthful innocence about him... I think the Condor needs a few more hard lines... Wink

Wink

clouddancer Gatchamaniac posted 25 Mar 2009 09:29

I agree I like the idea of body armor instead of a suit, Condorfan. I am just hoping they go more like this for Ryu, and not toooo bulky, like the image we saw earlier, of the team walking into ISO

lborgia88 Gatchamaniac posted 25 Mar 2009 09:59

Originally posted by clouddancer I am just hoping they go more like this for Ryu, and not toooo bulky, like the image we saw earlier, of the team walking into ISO

If I recall, in that image Ken had really, really wide shoulders too. I hope they've since decided to go with more realistic, less stylized, body proportions, like the original series. I hope we get to see more new images from Imagi soon!

gatchgirl Babbling Loonie posted 25 Mar 2009 10:02

My eyes will be so glued to the screen, that they'll have to literally drag my body from the movie theater. chips

chips

Sneeky

lborgia88 Gatchamaniac posted 25 Mar 2009 10:03

Originally posted by Transmute Jun He definitely looks more like Ken. He still has a youthful innocence about him... I think the Condor needs a few more hard lines...

Maybe there are some Condor-like frown lines around his eyes, but they're masked by his visor's tint? I'd like to see what his chin is like without the helmet -did they soften that up too, or is it Joe's rugged chin?

clouddancer Gatchamaniac posted 25 Mar 2009 11:19

Originally posted by lborgia88
Originally posted by clouddancer I am just hoping they go more like this for Ryu, and not toooo bulky, like the image we saw earlier, of the team walking into ISO
If I recall, in that image Ken had really, really wide shoulders too. I hope they've since decided to go with more realistic, less stylized, body proportions, like the original series. I hope we get to see more new images from Imagi soon!

That is what I remember too, and thinking I really do not like this.

tatsunokofan Gatch Guru posted 25 Mar 2009 11:21 (edited 25 Mar 2009 11:22)

Hi all! Honestly, I look at his face and think, "eh." It's not Joe. It's not even OAV Joe. It's a generic pretty boy face with nothing distinctive about it. If it wasn't for the uniform, I wouldn't look at him and think, "Joe!" I guess it's true, the clothes do make the man. David Labraccio on the Yahoo! Groups BotP list had a good comment regarding the hair sticking out the back of Joe's helmet:

James

SJ_SwanJun Forum Goddess posted 25 Mar 2009 11:36

:ROTFL: Oh James, that's brilliant, and exactly what I was thinking!!! I showed the poster image to a couple of friends here at work; one who is a BotP fan, one who is familiar with Gatchaman, and one who's never heard of them. Their responses were pretty much the same. They all think he is too "smooth and pretty-boy" looking. The Jason fan actually shuddered and shook her head at it. She thinks he needs to look a little more "beaten" ... she loves the rugged look. I like it, but not as a Condor. I've seen the gun fight with the Imagi condor (what an AWESOME clip that was), but I can't see this guy being so cool and ... ya know. But I still think he's hot ... :grin:

Transmute Jun Queen of the Bird Missiles posted 25 Mar 2009 11:41

Love the picture, James! Roll

Roll

clouddancer Gatchamaniac posted 25 Mar 2009 11:51

Grin

Thanks for the picture James.

trideegurl2 Honoured Member posted 25 Mar 2009 13:09

oh i missed the other thread too, its cool, i like the look, but it needs to be more rugged as said earlier, and i hate the whole hair hanging out of the helmet thing....... just looks goofy to me kinda 80s......i dunno why cant they just keep thme looking the way they did before? it wouldnt hurt, there are lots of young fans that have never heard of Gatchaman, so why change the image so much?

Tengu Forum Legend posted 25 Mar 2009 13:25

Hair sticking out the back, thats so, Blackbird, you know? That isnt Joe, Ken, maybe... and where is this other art?

SJ_SwanJun Forum Goddess posted 25 Mar 2009 13:28

Ken in Joe's birdstyle? Oh how the Yaoi fans love that thought .... I think Imagi must be confused... They have an image of Jinpei crawling through a window and tag it as being "gatchaman" Unless Ken's suddenly wearing Jinpei's uniform also ... They need to really look into the team a little more. :giggle: SJ

clouddancer Gatchamaniac posted 25 Mar 2009 13:32 (edited 25 Mar 2009 13:34)

Originally posted by trideegurl2 oh i missed the other thread too, its cool, i like the look, but it needs to be more rugged as said earlier, and i hate the whole hair hanging out of the helmet thing....... just looks goofy to me kinda 80s......i dunno why cant they just keep thme looking the way they did before? it wouldnt hurt, there are lots of young fans that have never heard of Gatchaman, so why change the image so much?

Why? because they do not need to sell this movie to us the fans now. They need to sell it to the new YOUNG fans, as you say, and the new fans will not want the 70's or 80's style. They want the 90's or perhaps even the 2000 style. We will have to be the ones to adjust not them for the movie to be successful. That is JMO though, I just hope IMAGI do not make ME/US have to adjust TOO much.

Ebonyswanne Gatchamaniac posted 25 Mar 2009 14:54 (edited 25 Mar 2009 15:01)

Originally posted by Transmute Jun He definitely looks more like Ken. He still has a youthful innocence about him... I think the Condor needs a few more hard lines...

That was my first impression too... I hope they do some touch ups on his face just to darken him a little in his character. (He's still hot...) They can still sell a rugged Condor image to the younger fans. Not all girls like the boy band look to a guy.

trideegurl2 Honoured Member posted 25 Mar 2009 15:08

i just think this updated look strays too far from the way they looked before.... the original gatchaman costume isnt that bad or that outdated looking... couldnt they maybe, i dont know, update it a tad, like the OAVs or OVAs or whatever, they still looked like the costumes just shinier and a bit "edgier" now their style without the costume on, yeah thats DEFINATLY outdated! lol bell-bottoms and penny loafers, and that hair... (of course it seems to come back every once and a while) i just dont know, i guess im just worried that they are going to change thigns TOO much

clouddancer Gatchamaniac posted 25 Mar 2009 15:36 (edited 25 Mar 2009 15:37)

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne
Originally posted by Transmute Jun He definitely looks more like Ken. He still has a youthful innocence about him... I think the Condor needs a few more hard lines...
That was my first impression too... I hope they do some touch ups on his face just to darken him a little in his character. (He's still hot...) They can still sell a rugged Condor image to the younger fans. Not all girls like the boy band look to a guy.

Well I have been looking at it as Jairen said. Very early on in all this movie talk, I recall mention that this movie was to be pre TV series (the teams childhood?) Not sure if that is still the plan. If it is still true, then this may be Joe at age 14-16, rather than 18- early 20's, then he would not have such a rough, rugged look (yet). Yes he might still be angry at the world, and we might see that anger in his personality, but in their early teens boys still have that "babyish" look. Or am I way off base on this thought?

lborgia88 Gatchamaniac posted 25 Mar 2009 16:24

Actually it makes a lot of sense. If the film's story is meant to be an "origins" or prequel story, then they would have to look at least somewhat younger. I've often thought that Joe's face was a little... less distinctively Joe-like (maybe even "softer") in the early episodes, but it's also seemed to me that, even later in the first series, his appearance varied sometimes from ep to ep, as if different artists were drawing him slightly differently. (clearly I've spent too much time staring at Joe's face in all the episodes...)

veritas Exalted Member posted 26 Mar 2009 02:36

I showed it to my OH gave my theories and asked him what he thought.... He thought I'd thought about it too much and asked if I realised it wasnt real Nerd

Nerd

So I called him a baka and hit him upside the head. If it is set earlier, then I suppose I can live with it...

SJ_SwanJun Forum Goddess posted 26 Mar 2009 04:42

Well it it is set earlier, it would certainly explain why Jinpei is shorter than my four-year old and why Jun looks like a 12 year old... (for those who saw the teaser with her in it -- you know what I mean) I dunno why they gave her the face of a 12 year old and the body of a woman.

clouddancer Gatchamaniac posted 26 Mar 2009 05:31 (edited 26 Mar 2009 05:32)

Well in some cultures girls start maturing at 10. Not that I am saying that Jun is of that culture (Japanese, if they stick with what we know, tend to mature later) but just that there are some. I have taught 6/7 year olds for about 6 years and occasionally (twice i think it was) I will have a girl who is already starting to get the BO you associate with a teen. Then you have to sit down with the child and parent and delicately mention cleanliness practices.

gatchgirl Babbling Loonie posted 26 Mar 2009 19:18

Originally posted by lborgia88 Actually it makes a lot of sense. If the film's story is meant to be an "origins" or prequel story, then they would have to look at least somewhat younger. I've often thought that Joe's face was a little... less distinctively Joe-like (maybe even "softer") in the early episodes, but it's also seemed to me that, even later in the first series, his appearance varied sometimes from ep to ep, as if different artists were drawing him slightly differently. (clearly I've spent too much time staring at Joe's face in all the episodes...)

I've noticed that as well LB, but like you, Joe's parts tend to hold my **cough** attention more.

lborgia88 Gatchamaniac posted 27 Mar 2009 09:49

Do you ever, like me, find yourself hitting the pause button at select moments when he's on screen so you can admire him a little longer? Laugh1

Laugh1

SJ_SwanJun Forum Goddess posted 27 Mar 2009 10:36

:chuckle: Oh I only do that with Mark...

Springie Her Royal Fluffiness...Swan of Swans... posted 27 Mar 2009 12:23

Originally posted by lborgia88 Do you ever, like me, find yourself hitting the pause button at select moments when he's on screen so you can admire him a little longer?

Spit

I do that with both of them!!! But I have a handy excuse...I am studying their expressions so I can try to draw them! Sweating

Sweating

SJ_SwanJun Forum Goddess posted 27 Mar 2009 12:31

Ooooh Springie! I'll have to remember that one!

Condorfan Master Boardie posted 27 Mar 2009 14:53

Originally posted by lborgia88 Do you ever, like me, find yourself hitting the pause button at select moments when he's on screen so you can admire him a little longer?

So I'm not the only person who does that! Smirk

Smirk

gatchgirl Babbling Loonie posted 27 Mar 2009 19:07

Originally posted by lborgia88 Do you ever, like me, find yourself hitting the pause button at select moments when he's on screen so you can admire him a little longer?

Very much so, one scene I could pause on forever is in episode 104 (I think) where he looks at the goon and threatens him. Makes my heart go flippity flop.... and I get all giddy... my B/H thinks I'm nuts when I do that!

gatchgirl Babbling Loonie posted 27 Mar 2009 19:08

Originally posted by Springie
Originally posted by lborgia88 Do you ever, like me, find yourself hitting the pause button at select moments when he's on screen so you can admire him a little longer?
I do that with both of them!!! But I have a handy excuse...I am studying their expressions so I can try to draw them!

Good one springie, and it a great thing, cause you have some awesome pics!

Jairen Former Lurker posted 27 Mar 2009 20:18

Thought this might be of interest. This is the cover for the 2006/2007 Imagi Annual Report. Now, obviously I would expect these to be early, early renders of the characters, sort of "concept", but you can see Ken on the top left, Ryu in the bottom right (I'm loving the harder look for him btw), and Jun on the bottom left (not sure about her at all, hope they improve that!) Of course, the concept art in the centre looks spectacular!

lborgia88 Gatchamaniac posted 27 Mar 2009 20:46

Originally posted by gatchgirl
Originally posted by lborgia88 Do you ever, like me, find yourself hitting the pause button at select moments when he's on screen so you can admire him a little longer?
Very much so, one scene I could pause on forever is in episode 104 (I think) where he looks at the goon and threatens him. Makes my heart go flippity flop.... and I get all giddy... my B/H thinks I'm nuts when I do that!

There's a scene with Joe in a different ep, with a close up of his face that I always pause and stare at... Eventually I made a drawing based on it, which was a bit tedious because I had to keep pulling out the disc and going back to that particular scene everytime I wanted to work on the sketch!

lborgia88 Gatchamaniac posted 27 Mar 2009 20:56

Originally posted by Jairen Thought this might be of interest. This is the cover for the 2006/2007 Imagi Annual Report. Now, obviously I would expect these to be early, early renders of the characters, sort of "concept", but you can see Ken on the top left, Ryu in the bottom right (I'm loving the harder look for him btw), and Jun on the bottom left (not sure about her at all, hope they improve that!) Of course, the concept art in the centre looks spectacular!

Definitely interesting! Thanks for posting it. I'd like to see Ken's face better here, as it seems distorted by his visor, and Jun looks a little odd to me too-it might be her helmet's big chin piece that's doing it. Ryu looks ferocious, which isn't an expression I'd normally associate with him, but I can believe that he could be pushed to it, especially if his teammates were threatened. The mecha reminds of some older concept art that I think came out when Kevin Munroe was still director, so I'll bet you're right that these are "early renders."

Transmute Jun Queen of the Bird Missiles posted 27 Mar 2009 21:33

That's terrific, Jairen! Thanks for posting the annual report cover!

clouddancer Gatchamaniac posted 28 Mar 2009 04:58

Thank you for posting that cover Jairen.

SJ_SwanJun Forum Goddess posted 28 Mar 2009 05:09

Thanks for posting the cover!! Jun looks a little different to the images I've seen of her. She looks here like a cross between races (African/American and Asian), whereas in the pther pictures I've seen she looks like ... well .. kind of almost like the girl from the Final Fantasy movie ... Springie, what do you think? This image is very different, yes? Ken looks awful in that picture. I hope that it is distortion.... I'd say so. The original images for Joe look very, very, different to how they finally rendered him.... Oh God, I am getting so excited now!!!! SJ

Cain Highwind Exalted Member posted 30 Mar 2009 01:50

Ehh it's okay, but who am I to say? Am I the only one who gets a Schumacher vibe? It's got that rubbery look, plus you can see nipples.

Springie Her Royal Fluffiness...Swan of Swans... posted 30 Mar 2009 02:39 (edited 30 Mar 2009 02:42)

Originally posted by SJ_SwanJun Thanks for posting the cover!! Jun looks a little different to the images I've seen of her. She looks here like a cross between races (African/American and Asian), whereas in the pther pictures I've seen she looks like ... well .. kind of almost like the girl from the Final Fantasy movie ... Springie, what do you think? This image is very different, yes? Ken looks awful in that picture. I hope that it is distortion.... I'd say so. The original images for Joe look very, very, different to how they finally rendered him.... Oh God, I am getting so excited now!!!! SJ

Very interesting! From what I can see, I think Jun and Ryu look weird because of the lighting...I can still see that she looks similar to the original images we saw. One thing I noticed...her birdstyle looks very close to the original...I see a skirt, so I wonder if they're keeping the panty shots? LOL I can't tell much about Ryu...but I am thinking they chose those images on purpose...still trying to hold back on showing us what they actually look like. That image of Ken is an early one, so it makes me wonder if they haven't changed him much...

Ebonyswanne Gatchamaniac posted 31 Mar 2009 01:07

Did I miss a link showing the rest of the team....just from the posts it looks like I have...

SJ_SwanJun Forum Goddess posted 31 Mar 2009 02:06

There was a "team" shot of sorts with the boys all walking down the street about a year ago. I remember some people got upset because Joe had a cigarette in his fingers. That has since been removed from the site, although... hang on I might just have it on my trusty Kingston stick... I am sure, though, it was posted here somewhere.. Let me look around... SJ

SJ_SwanJun Forum Goddess posted 31 Mar 2009 02:24

Here's the pic ...

I hope that worked... SJ

Ebonyswanne Gatchamaniac posted 31 Mar 2009 02:28

Ahhh those are the ones everyone is referring to...okay I'm the same page now.

lborgia88 Gatchamaniac posted 31 Mar 2009 05:39 (edited 31 Mar 2009 05:40)

When I mention an image of Ken with really, really wide shoulders, I was referring to the images that came out last summer. (Ryu looks awfully large here too!) http://felixip.blogspot.com/2008/08/gatchaman-screenshot-02.html

clouddancer Gatchamaniac posted 31 Mar 2009 06:40 (edited 31 Mar 2009 06:41)

LB, that is the one I was thinking of when I said I did not like the looks of Ryu. Looks like they are both on steroids - not a good thing for anyone let alone teens. If they insist they can make Ryu bulkier than the others but not like that (looking like the HULK) - please.

Ebonyswanne Gatchamaniac posted 31 Mar 2009 16:48

He looked like a rugby player thats for sure with those shoulders. And little butt... Ryu is a bigger guy, but I hope they don't make him look chunky, just more muscluar than the others.

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