Okay i need some guidance here as to the way the story worked from the ep where Joe finds Ken's medical through to Dr.Nambu dying after being executed by Egobossler. Even a basic idea to how that part of the story unfolds. point for would be easier to use if thats okay for whoever can help me. I have some ideas but there are gaps and I'm having trouble filling them... Thanks in advance.

This is from the Home of the White Shadow Website: #35 "Hypershoot Crisis" The angst begins. Ken begins to show signs that use of the Hypershoot is hurting him, unfortunately at the same time that a Gallactor mech is attacking the main ISO building in New Jork. Despite his knowledge that the building is overrun with Gallactor goons, Chief Nambu drags Ken into his lab for a checkup. Meanwhile, Joe and the others grab Gallactor disguises and easily infiltrate the mech. ("Scuse me, you got some spare bazookas? Oh don't trouble yourself--we'll go get them...") Egobossler interrupts Ken's physical examination, but not before Nambu discovers the awful truth. The final scene has Joe standing before a glowing screen in the ruins of the lab, staring at Ken's test results. #36 "The Shadow of Death Approaches G-1" Joe and the others try to keep Ken from joining in any future missions, but he puts a stop to that and reminds them that he is the leader of this team, dammit. We find out why Ken was chosen for the dangerously unstable Hypershoot weapon instead of Joe (Ken's quoted excuse was that Joe, by dying and being changed into a cyborg, had already paid his dues). #37 "Revive! Gatchaman" Chief Nambu and Jun seek a way to repair the damage done to Ken by the Hypershoot, and discover that a doctor in a remote laboratory may have a device and process that can help... but they must fly to that laboratory. Egobossler learns of this and tries to intercept them, and we discover that Chief Nambu can fight and shoot quite well when cornered. Again the Team tries to keep Ken out of the action until he is healed, and Jun finally explodes and slaps Ken across the face. ("Weren't you the one who told me that it was wrong to so casually give up my life?") While she was at it, she might also have given Joe a good whack for trying to ram an enemy mech in a suicide dive. #41 "Collapse! Gatchaman Base" When Egobossler discovers and attacks Gatchaman Base, Chief Nambu collars a pilot and rides shotgun in an F-18 to deal with the battle personally. The episode ends with a deliberate sacrifice: in order to save Kamo and what's left of the base, Nambu forces the pilot to eject and flies the plane into the attacking mech's docking bay--in effect, surrendering. Ken busts loose#42 "The Death of Chief Nambu" This episode begins with Nambu captured and undergoing torture and truth drugs, which he resists. When Ego gets bored with him, Nambu signals the Team from his confinement. When Egobossler calls him in later for a gloat session, Nambu turns the tables on him, slipping a truth drug into the leader's wine and forcing out details of the latest Gallactor threat: "The Poison Apple and Seven Dwarfs." The final scenes are unforgettable: The Team captured and trapped in a room walled with Neophryte (Dr. Gordon's super-armor material from #19). Ken overloads the G-Fencer and manages to cut his way free just in time to see Nambu take two fatal bullets at point-blank range.... #46 "G-1 Desperate for High Power" Ken's rejuvenation treatments continue, but they're not working. The final ultimatum is delivered by his physician: if Ken uses the Hypershoot once more, he will die. This doesn't deter our Fearless Leader; instead he jury-rigs the Hypershoot system to full power in the expectation of going out in a blaze of glory. The Team tries to convince him otherwise, and finally must resort to outright mutiny. Joe finds Zed#47 "Earth Extinction! 3...2...1" Only a few hours remain before Earth is destroyed. The Team and the Gatchaspartan, specially outfitted with the ISO's last three super missiles, is launched into space to battle the Poison Apple (what appears to be a mass of antimatter) directly. It finally dawns on Egobossler what Zed's plans are, and he faces the alien to vent his spleen. ("This is my world to rule, and you won't destroy it!") The Kagaku Ninjatai fights a hard battle against the Poison Apple, and Joe is badly hurt when he takes a full-scale energy bolt through the chest. This doesn't prevent him from threatening to beat Ken to a pulp if he tries to attack the Poison Apple with the Hypershoot. Jinpei stops the impending brawl by suggesting that if they go after Zed, perhaps it will stop the Poison Apple's progress. Ryu changes course for Zed's tower, and the final battle begins. #48 "Gatchaman Eternal" The Team searches for Zed in his tower, and are thrown around like playthings. When they finally meet up, they discover what happened to Egobossler: his corpse is pinned against a wall in Zed's main chamber, run through by his own sword. At this point, Joe picks up on Zed's vital signs (as Rafael had designed him to) and tracks the alien to his last refuge, where the Kagaku Ninjatai battle to destroy him... and fall. Chief Nambu's mysterious pendant (an unanalyzed device he'd instructed Kamo to give to the Team before the last battle) comes into play then, activating the Gatchaspartan and swallowing the fallen ninjas with light... The final scene is of an enormous firebird breaking free of Zed's exploding tower and flying around the Earth, leaving us to analyze the wide open ending. (Chances are high, though, that they aren't dead--they're still under contract, after all.)

Why didn't I think of that website.... thanks TJ I'm losing it.... LOL

Hi all! And, just to fill in some of the gaps, here's a brief synopses for the other episodes between #'s 35 and 42. #38 - The Bracelet of Freindship Nambu has guessed that Gallactor's Headquarters is located somewhere in North Iberia, and sends the Ninja Team to investigate. While they search, Jinpei befriends a young girl named Camilla and her pet dog Zack, whose friends and family were killed by Gallactor. With Camilla's help, the Ninja Team avenge the attack on her people, but are unsuccessful in finding the location of Gallatown. #39 - Downfall! Count Egobossler Kempeler betrays Erun Egobossler by freeing his half brother Kaseru, the rightful heir to the Egobossler title. Kaseru is made the new Count, and placed in charge of Erun's Gallactor forces, though Kempeler is the true power behind the throne. But Mekandor sides with Erun, freeing him from captivity. Soon, the two brothers are locked in combat for control, a struggle for which Kaseru pays with his life. Oh, yeah, and during all of this, the Science Ninja Team is attempting to protect a newly constructed Space Observatory that is in the middle of Kaseru and Erun's North pole battleground. #40 - Surprise Attack of the Mecha Waterspout While Egobossler and Kempeler continue to fight each other for control of Gallactor, both sides plan an attack on New Jork City. After Eogobssler destroys Kempeler's attack fleet, Egobossler continues with his plans to attack New Jork with artifically created waterspouts. Meanwhile, the Ninja Team is busy trying to help refugees escape the city, and have to deal with a group of orphaned kids who refuse to leave the place where their parents are buried. Hopefully that, along with the info from the other episodes, will help give you some idea of how things went. James

Thanks for filling in the gaps, James!

James thats fantastic i needed to know the order that Ego's leadership began to unravel for the story. hugs!!!

OKay the ep where Jun slaps Ken and goes off to fight to Mecha on her own...anyone have any ideas on what the necha looked liked or what it could do????? Thanks Ebony

Ebony, that's ER ep 63 (although they cut the slap). The mecha is a flying panther, and you can see it here: http://www.junsjoint.net/eagleriders/eagleriders63.html

Hi all! Officially, that's the Iron Beast Bantegron. But, yeah, it's a flying panther. James

Tj some of the scenes in that ep seemed mixed up compared to the original Gatch story line... The one with the stary night was part of the mission wasn't it? I have to admit i'm trying not to get ER plotlines confused with Gatchaman.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne Tj some of the scenes in that ep seemed mixed up compared to the original Gatch story line... The one with the stary night was part of the mission wasn't it? I have to admit i'm trying not to get ER plotlines confused with Gatchaman.

I'm not sure which eps you're talking about, or what is the 'starry night'?

Its this one... I love this scene it has a romantic feel to it...

It's Gatch F ep 38. If you look at Reoboekah's screenshot site, you'll see that the footage in the ER ep and the Gatch F ep are basically the same. The only difference I can see is that ER cut Jun slapping Ken. That 'starry night' scene is in the Gatch F ep.

TJ or Tats... Just a question concerning ep 37... Was it out of order a little in ER??? I thought Jun's famous slap happened after Ken used the Hypershoot? Ir did she do it because he was going to use it and that's why he was on the roof? Just trying to sort out cannon in my head a bit more with it

No, it happened before. She was returning with the equipment that was going to save Ken's life, and he endangered his own health by getting out of bed and going on the mission, despite Joe's protests. She smacked him just before they went on the mission. You can see it here in Reboekah's screenshots. The only thing they cut in ER was the actual slap.

Thanks TJ. I know I won't have the dialogue to cannon, my Japanese sucks badly LOL. But how could I do a ficcie in fighter and not have the Slap scene in it...I think you'll love the scene not long after it...*grins*

The following is the narration at the end of ep.46. "Ken felt Joe's strong friendship. And towards Jun, he was feeling something more . However, the thick barrier of duty to save the world stood between the two." Why, oh why, didn't Tatsunoko let Ken act upon his feelings?? Even an initiated embrace would have been nice. I'm guessing that since the ratings of F were going down and they had to end the series a month earlier than planned, the creators weren't able to depict that part of their relationship, though they had initially intended to do so. Wishful thinking, I know.

Ooh, this is interesting, Minazuki. So much meaning can be read into so few words, "something more," and it's so sad that it was always Ken's fate to have to put duty above all else. Thanks for translating! I didn't know that Gatch F was ended earlier than planned, but that does explain why there are only 48 episodes, instead of 52 like Gatch II.

Well, 'something more' than strong friendship.... sounds good to me! Thanks Minazuki!

*Swoony, Swoon, Swoon* I'm with you, Minazuki...couldn't they have thrown us a bone? Uh...bad choice of words...LOL

Originally posted by Minazuki The following is the narration at the end of ep.46. "Ken felt Joe's strong friendship. And towards Jun, he was feeling something more . However, the thick barrier of duty to save the world stood between the two." Why, oh why, didn't Tatsunoko let Ken act upon his feelings?? Even an initiated embrace would have been nice. I'm guessing that since the ratings of F were going down and they had to end the series a month earlier than planned, the creators weren't able to depict that part of their relationship, though they had initially intended to do so. Wishful thinking, I know.

I knew there had to be something intended there!!! Whoo hoo...

Originally posted by Minazuki The following is the narration at the end of ep.46. "Ken felt Joe's strong friendship. And towards Jun, he was feeling something more . However, the thick barrier of duty to save the world stood between the two." Why, oh why, didn't Tatsunoko let Ken act upon his feelings?? Even an initiated embrace would have been nice. I'm guessing that since the ratings of F were going down and they had to end the series a month earlier than planned, the creators weren't able to depict that part of their relationship, though they had initially intended to do so. Wishful thinking, I know.

I agree, they couldn't have given us a little something?

More incentive to write ficcies and correct it for them

I suppose... good thing there are a lot of creative writers around

Here's the dialogue that goes with TJ's screen caps. Episode 37 "Gatchaman, Revive" Written by Akira Nakahara (Jun takes off in the jet with the equipment.) Jun: Please be safe, Director. Nambu: Jun, I'm counting on you. (He starts shooting.) Goon: Sir, Nambu is not on that jet. It was a member of the KNT. Mechandol: Is that so? That's even better. Let's go. Jun: (Inside the jet, she holds the comlink up to her mouth.) Joe, come in. Joe! Joe: This is Joe. Jun: (To herself) I got through to him. (Cut to a room in the ISO building. Ken is lying on a bed, with Joe at his side.) Joe: (Talking to Jun on his comlink) Got it. I'm on my way. (Ken abruptly gets up and runs out of the room.) Joe: Wait, Ken! (Joe grabs Ken's arm.) Joe: You promised not to fight. If you do, it'll further the cell disruption. Ken: (Ken breaks Joe's grip) I can't do that. Director Nambu's being attacked by Galactor. I can't just stay here and do nothing! (Ken runs off.) Joe: Wait, Ken! (Joe goes after him.) (Ryu and Jinpei sees the two running.) Joe: (To Ryu and Jinpei) Stop him! (Cut to the rooftop of the ISO building, where Jun's jet is landing. Ken and the others are standing. ) (Jun gets out, walks towards Ken and slaps him.) Jun: You call yourself a level-headed commander acting like that? Do you know who Director Nambu's fighting for right now? It's you, Ken! He's doing it because he wants you to live! What you're doing to yourself is shortening your life. You're a fool. A damned fool! Who told me, "Giving up the will to live is a foolish thing to do?" "I won't allow you to do that. When we die, we die together." You're the one who said all this! (Tears are streaming down Jun's face. Ryu and Jinpei give them a glance, and runs off. Joe puts a hand on Ken's shoulder and also runs. Jun turns around to follow them.) Ken: Jun...I'm sorry. Jun: (With her back towards Ken) I hate it when you apologize like that. (The four take off in their vehicles, as Ken watches.) Ken: Guys...thank you. (Tears are in his eyes.)

Wow, that's quite the speech!!! Thanks for the translation, Minazuki!

What a great scene! Thanks for translating, Minazuki.

Fabulous! Thanks so much for enlightening us, Minazuki!

Thanks !!! That explains a lot of what went on in that scene. I think I wrote it all wrong! I just did it recently trying to go of screen caps. I might look over it again and see if I can pick more of what they said to keep it closer to cannon. If thats okay with you Minazuki to use your translations.

Ebonyswanne, You sure can use my translations! I'm eagerly waiting for your next fic. The following is the "starry night" scene. Actually, it takes place at dusk, hence the orangish color of the sparkling sea in the background. But you know, Jun is so OOC in this scene, this ep doesn't make this Jun fan happy at all... But I admit that scene with Ken and Jun looking at each other is rather nice. ******************************* From episode#37 (This is Jun's flashback) Jun is standing at the edge of a cliff. About 15 or so goons are lined up, with guns aimed at her. She backs up a little, but realizes she can't back up much further, as part of the ground she is standing on breaks off, and falls into the ocean below. She draws out her own gun, but it's quickly shot out of her hand by one of the goons. Jun: This is impossible... I can't win this one... Goon: Hehehe... Die! (The goons get ready to fire.) (Suddenly, Ken attacks the goons from behind, using kicks and punches. When all of them are down, Jun, smiling with tears of joy in her eyes, runs up to Ken.) Jun: Ken! (Ken slaps her. Holding a hand up to her cheek, Jun bows her head.) Ken: Why did you give up without putting up a fight? Nothing is more foolish than giving up the will to live. I wont allow you to die on your own. When we die, we die together. (Starry scene here) ****************************** Jun has always fought those goons with ease. I'm wondering why she didn't do anything here. The goons were just regular green goons! No Taicho of the Week or anything. And worse yet, she just stood there and watched while Ken did all the fighting. Talk about Damsel in Distress.

Ken slaps her again??? UGH...this is sad...I'm hating that she doesn't fight back. I saw part of that scene on ER and wondered why she didn't fight...it didn't look like a situation she couldn't handle...and I also wondered why she stood there and watched Ken do all the work. Was she depressed about Ken or something? Why had she given up the will to live?

Maybe thats his way of saying "You worried me and I thought I was about to lose you..." Not very tactful of him was it! I had them fighting equally in my section of the story and the beat off the goons together... not him slapping her. He just his hand on her cheek affectionalty. It is OOC for her to back down so easily, they only other time I can think of is when she found Joe and was cornered by some goons and the condor took them down with a shuriekn, saving her. Again a damsel in distress.... (I went back over the scene! My guess work wording was closer than I thought, just split up more. I did however justify why Jun gave up so easily, actually it worked out well.) Your translations ROCK!!!!

I agree, that's OOC for Jun, but I suppose yo could come up with some other explanation (she ahd been poisoned/drugged, she had just escaped from imprisonment and was wounded/exhausted). But the Ken slapping her thing... I never liked that, even in Jigokillers. I'm not happy with her slapping him either.

All I can think is that the scene with Jun and all the goons is meant to mirror her later scene on the roof with Ken. In the first one, he slaps her for not fighting and tells her not to give up the will to live, and that when they die they'll die together. I think it's meant to be ironic that later, she slaps him for wanting to fight (which will kill him), tells him not to give up the will to live and that when they die, they'll die together. So, she uses his own words against him, and persuades him to stay behind. Unfortunately, the way the writers went about setting this up doesn't reflect so well on Jun. I've heard that Gatchaman Fighter gets pretty "dark" and depressing. I can only think that Jun is, this late in a hard war, getting depressed and starting, on some level, to feel that it might be better to just die and get it over with, and that that is why she didn't fight back against the goons after she lost her gun, or help Ken take them down.

Originally posted by Transmute Jun But the Ken slapping her thing... I never liked that, even in Jigokillers. I'm not happy with her slapping him either.

The slap that I find the most disturbing is in Gatch II, ep. 27. It got cut out of Eagle Riders (no surprise there) but I saw it mentioned in Daniela's script, and then looked it up in Reboekah's screencaps and thought "damn." http://reboekah.peregrine-intl.com/GatchEp/tnIndex.html?serId=KNTG%20II&epNbr=27&pgNbr=4 The look on Ken's face... But I used it in my latest fic, though, as it served a purpose that I needed in the story.

What did she do to 'deserve' that? (I meant in Gatch II ep not in the ficcie.)

Originally posted by lborgia88 All I can think is that the scene with Jun and all the goons is meant to mirror her later scene on the roof with Ken. In the first one, he slaps her for not fighting and tells her not to give up the will to live, and that when they die they'll die together. I think it's meant to be ironic that later, she slaps him for wanting to fight (which will kill him), tells him not to give up the will to live and that when they die, they'll die together. So, she uses his own words against him, and persuades him to stay behind. Unfortunately, the way the writers went about setting this up doesn't reflect so well on Jun. I've heard that Gatchaman Fighter gets pretty "dark" and depressing. I can only think that Jun is, this late in a hard war, getting depressed and starting, on some level, to feel that it might be better to just die and get it over with, and that that is why she didn't fight back against the goons after she lost her gun, or help Ken take them down.

I thought of that too, that it was like a tie in. Gosh the slap each other around in Gatch don't they!

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne What did she do to 'deserve' that? (I meant in Gatch II ep not in the ficcie.)

Well, here's the accompanying translation from Daniela's site. Keep in mind she's translating a translation (Japanese to Italian to English) and I don't know how accurate the Italian translation was. ______________________ [Gatchaman leave on board the Phoenix. Ken inserts Pandra's memorizer into the computer] Ken  Route X50. If Dr. Pandra is right, the base must be in that direction. Jimpei  I don't know if we can trust her. All this history of monstrous brain waves look a lot like a sci-fi plot. Jane  I believe her, Dr. Nambu would have never chosen an irresponsible assistant. Ryu  It's useless to keep discussing, we soon will find out the truth. Ken  If everything goes as planned we might locate Galactors' head quarters. [An acoustic sound announces a communication] Ryu  What? Incoming message. [Ken grabs the onboard telephone, being the only one to hear the message] Ken  G-Force here, speak. What? [Ken hangs the telephone, while the others start to worry] Jane  Ken! What happened? Ken  It was a message from the hospital. Dr. Nambu... is dead! [G-Force shows all the shock the message brought] Jane  What??? Jimpei  Eh? Ryu  Oh God Joe  Damned! [As Jane falls over her console crying, Joe runs toward the elevator without anyone noticing] Ken  I can't believe he's dead. Doctor Nambu Jane  Ken! [Jane turns on the screen and all of them see G-2 leaving the Phoenix] Jane  Joe is gone! Look! Ken  Joe! [Inside the G-2] Joe  I'll find out that woman's true face with any mean. [G-2 goes away. Meanwhile, on board the Phoenix...] Jane  Ken, let's go back! Jimpei  Jane is right, let's go back! Ryu  Maybe Joe is right, Dr. Pandra might be a Galactor. Jane  Maybe if we go back we can find out the truth about that woman. Maybe she killed Nambu! Ken  I disagree. Jane  But Ken! What are you saying? Ken  Ehi. Did you forget we have an important mission to fulfil? Jane  But this is a special situation. Dr. Nambu is... Jimpei  I agree with Jane. Dr. Nambu was like a father to all of us and now he's dead. We can't stay here, we have to go back! Jane  Ken, let's go back and see Dr. Nambu for the last time, please, Ken! [Ken slaps Jane, sending her to crash on her console] Jane  But Ken  Try not to lose your minds! Dr. Nambu left precise orders to Dr. Pandra and we have to obey them. Jane  Ken [Jimpei and Ryu lose control and start crying desperately] Ken  Feel free to fall into despair if it helps to soothe you, but we have to finish our mission. Am I clear? Jane  Yes Jimpei  Doctor Nambu! Give me doctor Nambu back! [Ken himself has tears in his eyes and sees Nambu's images. The Phoenix keeps its course towards the Galactor base, sans Joe. __________________________

Hello Ebony! I used it too, but it feels ages since I read that translation and totally forgot about the scene in "consequences"...I'm a bit of a scatterbrain at times if you haven't noticed. LOL

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne Hello Ebony! I used it too, but it feels ages since I read that translation and totally forgot about the scene in "consequences"...I'm a bit of a scatterbrain at times if you haven't noticed. LOL

No more than me! We all forget things. You have to admit that it's a scene with lots of angsty potential -no wonder we both used it!

I just had a laugh because I read it over and over at the time to get it right and then forgot about it until now. Yes ANGSTY potential and really it works against Ken so its even better for a Condor/Swan ficcie. Ken looked cranky in it didn't he.

I don't like the slapping around, either. The two things I hated most when I first saw them on TV was the flashing of Jun's white panties and the slapping of Jun by Ken and Joe. To me, the panties were not just impractical, but also embarrassing rather than sexy. (The least they could have done is paint them pink, instead of white! ) During the Meiji Era (1886-1912) it was socially acceptable for men to slap their wives around if they didn't like the taste of miso soup, or whatever petty thing bothered them. Women didn't have the right to vote, either. My theory is that since the creators at Tatsunoko during the 70's were children or grandchildren of fathers or grandfathers of the Meiji Era, they grew up with that idea. So in their minds, it was okay to have female characters slapped. (Of course, it was no longer acceptable in real life, but in fiction it was okay for them.) During the 70's, the slapping around was the "in" thing especially in manga or anime that dealt with either sports ("supokon") or fictitious war like in Gatch.

Thanks for the insight, Minazuki! I guess every TV show reflects the cultural thinking of its creators to some extent. In thirty years, we'll probably look back at TV shows being made right now and wonder "what were they thinking?" I don't like the slapping and the panty flashes don't impress me, but at least there are plenty of times when the characters show affection for each other or defend each other, and I have to admit that I'd get bored if every character was a model of perfect behaviour all the time.

So thats why i when trying to keep to cannon I try and justify or make Ken or Joe feel very sorry for it afterwards... IRL I don't really like the slapping all that much either between them. Its not like they're in training and its needed to learn how to defend themselves better against it coming from an enemy. ITA-Iborgia, I get bored with characters that are to perfect in everything they do. Some superheros drive me nuts for that reason. It like they can do absolutely nothing wrong and never step out of line. To black and white...characters need some grey in there since not all situations they encounter are straight black and white. Messing it up or not getting everything perfect all the time doesn't make a character bad. Its the intentions and why they did it and the drive behind it that can really determine if they are truly flawed in a way that's evil. Just my thoughts anyway. I've had to think about it a lot of late when writing. Minsaki- Some Aussie men could be like that. (Being a man meant you don't cry and show your emotions in public. Especially the romantic kind.) I guess that's why a lot of Aussie women melt when a guy does something like by flowers for his wife or does something romantic. (Its taken a long time for women to drop teh 'second class citizen' outlook.)

As far as the slapping, I'm used to it being the other way around. Women can slap men but men cannot slap women.

Its a hard call isn't at times since women can be just as good at as men can be. I think they look at more as a women are often smaller and not as strong as most men are. Yep there's a lot of slapping all round in Gatchaman. At least in that they all get a go at it!!!

As far as the slapping, I'm used to it being the other way around. Women can slap men but men cannot slap women. Unless you're Ken,that way,you can slap them and punch them in the stomache without so much as acase of assault and battery.

Originally posted by Xephon0930 Unless you're Ken,that way,you can slap them and punch them in the stomache without so much as acase of assault and battery.

And they'll STILL worship you! (I present Rumi as evidence...)

LOL... The only Superhero that got away with it was Eagle Ken from Gatchaman.