Let it begin...

Yay First! Nearly flipped at the last second just for the shower scene, but it has to be the original.

Nothin' like Condor Joe...

Oh I am painfully BotP, aren't I? I love my Jase ... I think ... Um, I used to prefer Joe ... then I saw the eppy where he slapped Jun. I just can't shake that out of my mind when I think of him ...

Jason was my favourite on BOTP, many years ago, but now I'm hooked on Joe... Of course, it wasn't Jason's fault that so many of Joe's best action scenes, and his whole tragic, angsty story arc, got cut out of BOTP.

I like Jason a lot, but there's no one I want to comfor more than Condor Joe... Actually, OAV Joe was just a little 'hard' in the face for me. The body was nice, but the tattoo turned me off. I guess that's jsut the 'bad boy' thing, though...

ITA, TJ. Condor Joe needs me, poor baby. Poor hottie, tough, ass kicking baby that is.

I have voted Jason, though in my opioion of watching Gatchaman and the OAVs, it a tough tie between Jason and the original Joe.

I love the original Joe... doesn't help that the other versions of the series cuts out most of his story!

I love my angsty revenge seeking Condor Joe of the original Gatchaman... When I was a kid I thought Jason could be a jerk at times. Ten years old and i had already decided he complained to much, and he was always wanting to be the commander. That got to me a bit back then too... I still remember watching the eps as a kid and telling him off for trying to take over the Eagles position all the time or indicating he could do it better.... So i guess I wasn't a Condor fan back then...

I must say that while the shower scene in the OAV was wonderful and some of his looks were good. I still think Condor Joe rocks. Jason was a thought but after watching the whole Gatch series, it's hands down now.

I'm voting for Condor Joe. I like the bad boy. I agree with SJ about slapping Jun ( but look at Ken. He didn't do anything when Joe slapped her - does it make him better? ) , but on the other hand, they are all slapping and punching each other through the series...

This one's easy... The original Joe, definitely. There's no Condor like Joe Asakura!!! The drama, the angst, the voice!

He looked surprised by it....but then again Ken could have felt that Jun may have felt discriminated against if he punched Joe back. After all being the only girl on team of four guys she wouldn't want to be made out to be weaker than them or need Ken to fight all her battles... (And she DID jump up after wards looking determined to do her job...So Ken didn't have much time to retaliate,)...just a thought anyway.....

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne He looked surprised by it....but then again Ken could have felt that Jun may have felt discriminated against if he punched Joe back. After all being the only girl on team of four guys she wouldn't want to be made out to be weaker than them or need Ken to fight all her battles... (And she DID jump up after wards looking determined to do her job...So Ken didn't have much time to retaliate,)...just a thought anyway.....

a good one Ebony

I agree that Jason was my first love but I really love Joe. Although I have to agree with LB that it wasn't fair to Jason that all his scenes were cut from BOTP. Gatchaman really rounds out his character and shows the audience why he is who he is. All full of anger, and hate and hotness.....but I digress... The OVA Joe certainly has a nice body in the shower scene but watching that he seemed too far apart from the team as opposed in Gatchaman where he's a bit on the outside but always backs up his team mates.

Originally posted by meg I'm voting for Condor Joe. I like the bad boy. I agree with SJ about slapping Jun ( but look at Ken. He didn't do anything when Joe slapped her - does it make him better? ) , but on the other hand, they are all slapping and punching each other through the series...

I like to think that Jun, being a Science Ninja, is tougher than she looks and can hold her own, but I'll admit that scene makes me a bit uncomfortable, maybe because Jun is clearly emotionally upset, and Joe doesn't even try to understand. Not his finest moment, but pretty much true to his character. If all the characters were perfect the show would have been very dull. But, sometimes I wonder if the writers were already planning then to have Joe later find out that his own parents had been Galactor members, and by showing that Joe had zero tolerance for any behaviour he regarded as being soft on the enemy, it would increase the dramatic effect of him learning about his parents in ep. 78.

IMHO, the dramatic effect about Joe finding out about his own Galactor parents in the mini-Saturn ep is pretty significant, and ITA LB that it is moments like the one in the Koji ep that make it all the more poignant. All the same, I'm never very comfortable to see them beating up on Jun either, but it doesn't bother me nearly so much to see Ken and Joe beating up on each other, or even Ryu and Jinpei. Perhaps I have a double standard...?

I'm the same way, TJ...I cringe every time I see Ken smack her in the flower ep, too...even though it is kind of a light smack...Joe really wallops her, though...I guess she can't accuse him of treating her any differently than the guys!

For me, I still have something of an ingrained cultural notion/double standard that men shouldn't hit women even though, rationally, I know that someone like my sister (who does martial arts and lifts weights -a lot-) could probably beat up lots of men, and that Jun is a fighter, and is tough. I guess, my basic rule could be that no one should ever hit someone who isn't more or less their equal, in terms of fighting ability.

I dunno when I did Karate I was put up against guys in training and they didn't care about me being a girl when sparring... They were more concerned about your level of belt.... Like if your an orange belt going up against a more senior level. It was more skills than if you were male or felmale. (I'm not into boys beating up on girls etc...)

One Choice? Only one choice? I have many red buttons around me! So it takes may Condors to..ehem, push them all. I vote for good ol' Joey! Love the bad attitude!!

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne I dunno when I did Karate I was put up against guys in training and they didn't care about me being a girl when sparring... They were more concerned about your level of belt.... Like if your an orange belt going up against a more senior level. It was more skills than if you were male or felmale. (I'm not into boys beating up on girls etc...)

ITA, Ebony that I don't like boys beating on girls - or men punching women for that matter. But you put it in an interesting context about the idea of seeing skill levels vs. gender in a fight. And if we think about them training together as a team from a young age then it makes sense that their own internal dynamic may not fall along gender lines. I hadn't considered before that *not* hitting the girl in the group could be perceived as saying she isn't as good as the others on the team and therefore can't handle being slapped while hitting her actually is an expression of equality and respect of her skill. This is something I have to ponder more as it goes against my initial instincts about it.

It just occurred to me that when Joe hits Jun in the Snack J, it certainly looks painful, but when Joe punched Ken in episode 39, it knocked him over, and when Ken punched Joe in episode 73, Joe also gets knocked right down, so it does seem that Joe "went easy" on Jun compared to how the guys hit each other, but then Joe also wasn't as angry as he was in episode 39 either!

That's a good point lb - maybe there is a difference in the slaps Jun receives (although that one Joe gives her is quite a wallop) vs. the times the boys punch each other, often in anger and frustration. Is that a difference of emotion and intent maybe? Now more things to think about.

Hmmmm...... definitely seems like the slap Joe gave to Jun in the Koji ep was more of a 'snap out of it' type smack, then.... Still bugs me, though.

I am def a Condor Joe Gatchaman fan, probably most of all. But sigh, my first love was Dirk. I have a soft spot in my heart for that character!!! i <3 u Dirk!!!

Originally posted by trideegurl2 I am def a Condor Joe Gatchaman fan, probably most of all. But sigh, my first love was Dirk. I have a soft spot in my heart for that character!!! i <3 u Dirk!!!

I feel ya on that one!

Oh, this is interesting, the slight generational difference; if you were born in the early 70s -Jason- and if you were born in the 80s -Dirk. Dirk is currently the G-2 that I am the least familiar with, followed closely by OAV Joe -I've seen some bits of G-Force on youtube, but that's it.

I havent seen the Dirk version at all. I could watch on Utube but a voice tells me not to. Its the same voice that told me not to watch the star wars holiday special, so I'm going to listen this time.

Originally posted by lborgia88 Oh, this is interesting, the slight generational difference; if you were born in the early 70s -Jason- and if you were born in the 80s -Dirk. Dirk is currently the G-2 that I am the least familiar with, followed closely by OAV Joe -I've seen some bits of G-Force on youtube, but that's it.

Jason I'm least familiar with since I've never seen BOTP. The first thing that got my attention when I watched the English version made by ADV was that Joe's voice was so close to Dirk's.

I haven't seen much GOS, but I have to say that the names really put me off. Not that ER is much better...

Originally posted by shamrokchick The first thing that got my attention when I watched the English version made by ADV was that Joe's voice was so close to Dirk's.

I hadn't thought about that -but you're right. When I first got the ADV episodes, I hadn't seen BOTP in about 25 years and I couldn't remember the characters' voices so well, but I quickly came to like Joe's dubbed English voice and his nice, deep original Japanese voice. Then, I found some clips of BOTP on youtube, and got the shock of my life when I heard Jason's voice -it sounded so dweeby! I've since gotten re-accustomed to Jason's voice, but it still sounds somehow "wrong" to me. At least you had less of a jarring transition from Dirk to Joe!

shamrokchick, G-Force was my first Gatchaman series to ever see, so most the time its those characters I base most my stuff off of (fanfics and art) is that the same for you? I liked Dirk's semi-whiney drawl in G-Force, same voice actor to do Leonardo in TMNT and Max Sterling in Robotech, it was the first voice I associated with "Joe" so its stuck in my mind you know? I like the deep Joe voice, but for some reason, I cant picture an English voice that would be the deep for him. It'd be kinda weird to me.

Originally posted by Transmute Jun I haven't seen much GOS, but I have to say that the names really put me off. Not that ER is much better...

I can't blame you on that one. I think if it wasn't the first version I watched it would probably bother me more. Now the ER names do put me off

Originally posted by lborgia88

Originally posted by shamrokchick The first thing that got my attention when I watched the English version made by ADV was that Joe's voice was so close to Dirk's.

I hadn't thought about that -but you're right. When I first got the ADV episodes, I hadn't seen BOTP in about 25 years and I couldn't remember the characters' voices so well, but I quickly came to like Joe's dubbed English voice and his nice, deep original Japanese voice. Then, I found some clips of BOTP on youtube, and got the shock of my life when I heard Jason's voice -it sounded so dweeby! I've since gotten re-accustomed to Jason's voice, but it still sounds somehow "wrong" to me. At least you had less of a jarring transition from Dirk to Joe!

Oh I was so excited when I heard Joe's voice! I was so happy they got one voice I recognized...

Originally posted by trideegurl2 shamrokchick, G-Force was my first Gatchaman series to ever see, so most the time its those characters I base most my stuff off of (fanfics and art) is that the same for you? I liked Dirk's semi-whiney drawl in G-Force, same voice actor to do Leonardo in TMNT and Max Sterling in Robotech, it was the first voice I associated with "Joe" so its stuck in my mind you know? I like the deep Joe voice, but for some reason, I cant picture an English voice that would be the deep for him. It'd be kinda weird to me.

Yep, I remember watching it on Cartoon Network after we moved to GA in 95. I used to watch G-Force and Johnny Quest right after it every day. I was so mad when they took it off the air... I used to watch some of TMNT too, but never made the connection between Dirk and Leonardo... that's interesting... now I'm gonna have to go find some TMNT episodes. I can't see Joe with a deep English voice just because it makes me think of an older man and he's suppose to be late teens, early twenties.

I love ADV Joe's voice! IMHO that's the best one! And Shamrochick, I love your new avatar!!! Very of you!

Originally posted by Transmute Jun I love ADV Joe's voice! IMHO that's the best one! And Shamrochick, I love your new avatar!!! Very of you!

Yes, I wish that Imagi would get that actor (Brian Jepson?) for the upcoming movie -though I imagine it's unlikely. Great action avatar, Shamrokchick! I wonder what the guy in the top left corner is saying.

Thanks ya'll! Oh yes I love my especially when he's taking out three goons at a time! I think the translation says "Wah!" but any word works for me!

Originally posted by Transmute Jun I love ADV Joe's voice! IMHO that's the best one! And Shamrochick, I love your new avatar!!! Very of you!

ITA! ADV Joe rocks!!!

Originally posted by lborgia88 Then, I found some clips of BOTP on youtube, and got the shock of my life when I heard Jason's voice -it sounded so dweeby! I've since gotten re-accustomed to Jason's voice, but it still sounds somehow "wrong" to me.

ITA, LB! To be completely honest, all the BoTP voices sound wrong to me... I think it's because the voice actors are so well known for their other characters... To me, Casey Kasem will alway be Shaggy, so for the longest time after I started rewatching the BoTP eps, I kept waiting for a "zoiks!" to come out of Mark's mouth. Though I like Ronnie Schell as a voice actor, he just never seemed "right" as Jason's voice... And Janet Waldo, well, to this day whenever I hear her, all I can think of is Judy Jetson. All that kinda detracts from the show itself for me, but I've gotten much better at disassociating the characters and their voices from the voice actors and their former character roles (except Janet Waldo... I still can't help but think of Judy Jetson when I hear Princess speak!)

Originally posted by shamrokchick I think the translation says "Wah!" but any word works for me!

How about d'oh ?

Sounds good...

yes shamrokchick your new avatar looks great!

Originally posted by Hinotori

Originally posted by lborgia88 Then, I found some clips of BOTP on youtube, and got the shock of my life when I heard Jason's voice -it sounded so dweeby! I've since gotten re-accustomed to Jason's voice, but it still sounds somehow "wrong" to me.

ITA, LB! To be completely honest, all the BoTP voices sound wrong to me... I think it's because the voice actors are so well known for their other characters... To me, Casey Kasem will alway be Shaggy, so for the longest time after I started rewatching the BoTP eps, I kept waiting for a "zoiks!" to come out of Mark's mouth. Though I like Ronnie Schell as a voice actor, he just never seemed "right" as Jason's voice... And Janet Waldo, well, to this day whenever I hear her, all I can think of is Judy Jetson. All that kinda detracts from the show itself for me, but I've gotten much better at disassociating the characters and their voices from the voice actors and their former character roles (except Janet Waldo... I still can't help but think of Judy Jetson when I hear Princess speak!)

Hino, while I might hear their other character voices. Casey , I must say will always be the commander, maybe cause I spent hours of withdraw times listening to AT40 to hear "Marks" voice.

ITA, Gatchgirl! Mark & Casey are linked in my mind forever.

Most definitely gogirl212. While I loved Ronnie Shells voice for Jason in BOTP, I must say the Brain is Joe the Condor.