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Last post by Ken-Joe 26 Mar 2010 07:59
Monday I received an Email saying the theme for the fancy dress night at my re-enactment groups AGM is to be.. Villians.
Now, what would a 6ft woman who often gets mistaken for a man go as...... ahhhhh
I tend to wear my re-enactment Authenti-nazi head when making up costumes so everything is being make from scratch so it can be adapted to be just right.
In the past 24hrs I have ordered
5m of matte cotton lycra - Purple
5m of Ruby / Burgundy leatherette
1 pair of boots (to be covered, shaped and lengthened)
1 Pattern for Gloves
1 Pattern for a unitard.
I know Alex Ross shows Katse wearing a shiney body suit , but I'm going for Matte because I'm basing it on the cartoon. Having said that I've been thinking of lining the cape in red satin??
What do you think, if you saw this costume with a satin lining would you think its wrong or do you think its open to interpretation??
Do I think too much about these things
I tend to wear my re-enactment Authenti-nazi head when making up costumes so everything is being make from scratch so it can be adapted to be just right.
In the past 24hrs I have ordered
5m of matte cotton lycra - Purple
5m of Ruby / Burgundy leatherette
1 pair of boots (to be covered, shaped and lengthened)
1 Pattern for Gloves
1 Pattern for a unitard.
I know Alex Ross shows Katse wearing a shiney body suit , but I'm going for Matte because I'm basing it on the cartoon. Having said that I've been thinking of lining the cape in red satin??
What do you think, if you saw this costume with a satin lining would you think its wrong or do you think its open to interpretation??
Do I think too much about these things
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 19 Nov 2008 06:26
IMHO satin is a little shiny. I think of Katse as being matte. Shiny implies heroism, IYKWIM. But it's such a small viewable part of the costume, it could work.
Regardless, it sounds like you've got some great ideas, and great talent! I cobbled my costumes together much more. Are you going to wear the mask or have the 'unmasked' Katse look?
FWIW, I know I've seen thigh high red boots (I found them when looking for my Swan boots) but I think they're all patent 'leather' (i.e. shiny).
Yeah, all the thigh boots are shiney PVC things with heels, not accurate or comfy for all day wear.
I'm making the full mask, getting the hubby to cover me in gunk this weekend to get a full head cast ( will be useful for making Swan helmet as well).
Not for January, but when I go to the big cons where people will recognise it, I'm going to take the mask off and have a blond mutilated wig under it.
shamrokchick
Forum Legend
posted 19 Nov 2008 07:50
I wouldn't think there was anything wrong with the satin since most of it is in matte...
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 19 Nov 2008 08:16
Originally posted by veritas I'm going to take the mask off and have a blond mutilated wig under it.That's pretty much my natural hair!
I didn't do a helmet for my Swan costume. I figured it would be too uncomfortable to wear. But it worked out okay at Comic Con anyhow. 
For a cape lining, I think satin would be a good choice. It's going to be partly hidden all the time anyway, so a little flash of shiny will only serve to draw attention to the contrasting color. And I could be wrong, but satin should make the cape slide nicely over the rest of the costume. Nothing worse than "cape hitch". (Says she who only wishes she'd ever worn a cape. )
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Neat! Veritas, be sure to post pics of it when you are finished! I can't wait to see! 
ITA can't wait to view a pic Veritas. Sounds like a fun party too!
Originally posted by veritas I'm going to take the mask off and have a blond mutilated wig under it.If anyone asks where your mask is, you can say that you are Katse from episode 102.
I'm VERY impressed at your sewing skills, if you can make a Katse costume yourself. When it's done, I hope you post a picture here of yourself wearing it!
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 19 Nov 2008 19:29
I too am looking forward to seeing your costume Veritas.
I hope you will be willing to post photos.
Ahhh- re-enactment costume naziism!! Been there - done that!!
I think Satin would work - it would give the depth and shading that the cartoon shows - as well as sliding nicely over the rest of the costume.
REmember, also, that historically satin has always been used to line cloaks.
Veritas - what sort of re-enactment and with what group? I'm an SCA gal myself - and concentrate on Italian Rennaisance (suits the climate here in Queensland). I'm actually finishing off a new brocade gown for a large event this weekend.
You raise a good part BW, I hadnt thought of Cape Hitch, I think for that reason I'll have to go Satin.
Do you think the cape outer is black or a really deep Purple / aubergine?
Madilayn - I do the Wars of the Roses, so about 1450-1500, my group is the Duke of Buckinghams Retinue.
Well guys the AGM is the last weekend in January so it will be a couple of months before there are any pics, unless I remember to take them as I make it.
That's so cool, Veritas! I have absolutely no seamstress or tailoring abilities, so anyone who can fashion their own clothing (everyday wear or reenactment) gets huge kudos from me.
We'd love to see any pics you're willing to share! 
Originally posted by veritas I do the Wars of the Roses, so about 1450-1500, my group is the Duke of Buckinghams Retinue.The Duke of Buckingham executed under Richard III? Now, would that make you a Yorkist or a Lancastrian? Can't remember... and people did switch sides a lot in the War of the Roses. At any rate, it sounds like a lot of fun!
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 20 Nov 2008 06:33
It sounds like you know what you're doing here, Veritas, and I'm looking forward to seeing your results!
Ladygalactor777
Boardie
posted 20 Nov 2008 06:37
Originally posted by veritas Monday I received an Email saying the theme for the fancy dress night at my re-enactment groups AGM is to be.. Villians. Now, what would a 6ft woman who often gets mistaken for a man go as...... ahhhhh[FONT=comic sans ms]Can you be in Megacon Orlando? I will like to see you or have a picture!!! ahh a real Katse.... AWSOME![/FONT]
shamrokchick
Forum Legend
posted 20 Nov 2008 14:08
Originally posted by veritas Do you think the cape outer is black or a really deep Purple / aubergine?I've always thought of the cape being a deep purple.
The cape is definitely purple on its outer side. Not necessarily an ultra-dark purple, either; in fact, the reference photos I've got show it as being a nice rich purple tinted towards the red instead of the blue.
Yep, its not just 'black' , spent most of yesterday online looking for
a - suitable fabric
b- in the right colour.
looks like it may be a custom dye job......
Ladygalactor777
Boardie
posted 21 Nov 2008 08:16
Originally posted by veritas Yep, its not just 'black' , spent most of yesterday online looking for a - suitable fabric b- in the right colour. looks like it may be a custom dye job ......[FONT=comic sans ms]Katse is very special...
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clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 21 Nov 2008 15:34
Veritas it sounds like you are putting a lot of time into this costume. Which is great if you have the time but .... When did you say the costume was to be worn?
end of Jan..
Its getting the mask right thats the hardest job. Ive already done the body suit, that took a day. I'm working on the cape now, I managed to find a deep purple fabric thats a pretty good match, not as heavy as I wanted but I'll just interline it to make it hang right. Should have the cape pretty much done by the weekend.
I took some pics, but god knows when I'll get round to posting them..
Ladygalactor777
Boardie
posted 25 Nov 2008 06:09
Originally posted by veritas end of Jan.. Its getting the mask right thats the hardest job. Ive already done the body suit, that took a day. I'm working on the cape now, I managed to find a deep purple fabric thats a pretty good match, not as heavy as I wanted but I'll just interline it to make it hang right. Should have the cape pretty much done by the weekend. I took some pics, but god knows when I'll get round to posting them..
Originally posted by veritas end of Jan.. Its getting the mask right thats the hardest job. Ive already done the body suit, that took a day. I'm working on the cape now, I managed to find a deep purple fabric thats a pretty good match, not as heavy as I wanted but I'll just interline it to make it hang right. Should have the cape pretty much done by the weekend. I took some pics, but god knows when I'll get round to posting them..I am so impressed -it sounds great! You almost make me want to go steal my sister's sewing machine and start making a costume myself... Almost. (I had to take sewing in school many years ago, and I was really bad at it then!) I can't wait to see the pics of your costume!
Wow.. makes me wish I had sewing talent...
What do you charge for custom costuming, Veritas?
I'm guessing that with this group Veritas might be able to make a small amount of money. I know that the progress thats being made has me impressed.
Ebonyswanne
Gatchamaniac
posted 26 Nov 2008 02:18
I almost missed this thread... it sounds like you have had lots of good advice though. Can't wait to see the results
Well Ive been busy sewing, but I hope to start on a costume Diary over the next couple of days and upload my pics to it. Ive just got to put the ears on the mask, thats the hardest part, getting those right. At the moment it looks more blue chicken than anything.......
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 3 Dec 2008 07:31
Blue chicken... so you made a Sosai costume, then?
As long as it's not the New God Phoenix!
I look forward to seeing your pictures, Veritas -I'm sure it'll look great when it's all completed!
Ladygalactor777
Boardie
posted 3 Dec 2008 11:37
Originally posted by veritas Well Ive been busy sewing, but I hope to start on a costume Diary over the next couple of days and upload my pics to it. Ive just got to put the ears on the mask, thats the hardest part, getting those right. At the moment it looks more blue chicken than anything.......[FONT=comic sans ms]
Ohh!! I can't wait to see this... 
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Ive started a new jnl showing my making of. Ive never tried to share the process before so I may not be clear in my explanations. There is more to up load but the actual making of has slowed down because the bathroom is being remodelled and in order to get it done by Xmas, we are concentrating on that. I promise tho (like it matters) I will finish this.
making of
oh, live jnl puts the most recent posts at the top so you have to read it bottom up... if you see what I mean.
OMG! Veritas, I am in awe!!! 
It looks great so far, and I can't wait to see the finished product!
It looks great so far, and I can't wait to see the finished product!
shamrokchick
Forum Legend
posted 10 Dec 2008 15:35
Wow this looks great! You're costume is coming along nicely and I can't wait to see the final product. 
I bow down to you, Veritas, She-who-can-design-and-sew-costumes! 
I suck at nearly anything that requires actual, hands-on skill.
The mask is looking great -I am dying to see more of the costume!
I suck at nearly anything that requires actual, hands-on skill.
The mask is looking great -I am dying to see more of the costume!
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 10 Dec 2008 15:55
Wow, this is awesome!!!! I am really impressed with all of your hard work and fantastic results! I wish I could be at Dragon Con to see it!
Cain Highwind
Exalted Member
posted 10 Dec 2008 16:56
Yeah it looks really promising so far. Cosplay is great to look at when you can see all the work they put into it.
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 10 Dec 2008 17:07
This looks great veritas please keep posting your progress.
Thanks so much for sharing, Veritas! It looks great so far! I can't wait to see more of your progress!
Thanks every one. Its quite theraputic to show the processes that go into making these things. Every now and then some one will ask how it was made rather than take a photo and run..
Anyway Ive posted a couple of up dates, but I'm hoping to get back to the costume this weekend. If i cut out the gloves i can sew them in my lunch break at work, thats an extra 4 hours not being lazy.
Just an FYI (I'm flattering myself that any one actually cares). I do have updates for the making of...... but as usual for me its down to the wire again. The party is tomorrow night and I have still got to sew the ears on the mask. I havent updated because thats time I could be spending sewing. After the weekend, I will update the making of and have pictures of the completed outfit.
PS - Purple lycra is not flattering at the best of times, especially so after Christmas' excess'.
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 22 Jan 2009 06:19
Veritas, I am so excited to see the costume! I'm sure it will be fabulous!!!!
Psssst.... Spanx. Lots of Spanx. Worked for my Swannie costume.
Originally posted by veritas After the weekend, I will update the making of and have pictures of the completed outfit.I can't wait to see your whole
costume!
Veritas I too will be looking forward to viewing the photos. Hope you have a wonderful time showing it off.
Hope you had a great time at the party! Can't wait to see pics of the final product!
Wouldnt you know it, the flash didnt work on the pics my camera took, so I'm waiting for friends to send me some.
I dont like this one, but its the only full length shot I have.
This weekend was a good trial for wearing it at dragon con, the tweeks that need making, like the cloak sliding off the shoulders and the boots falling down. With a few changes it should stay wearable all day.
I think the ears point too high as well, they need lowering so they make more of a Y profile.
shamrokchick
Forum Legend
posted 29 Jan 2009 09:30
Wow veritas... I'm impressed! Your costume looks just like Katse... Nice work!
Amazing work!! The mask must have been so hard to do, but it looks exactly right, and I love your cape -totally villainous!
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 29 Jan 2009 12:11
Veritas, that's awesome! Everyone is going to be wowed at Dragon Con! I only wish I could join you in my Swannie costume...
You look incredible!
Cain Highwind
Exalted Member
posted 29 Jan 2009 13:54
Very nice work indeed Veritas! ^_^
clouddancer
Gatchamaniac
posted 29 Jan 2009 14:13
This looks fantastic Veritas. I wouldn't worry about the ears though, you really are the only one who would notice. As they say with any artistic work --- only the artist notices the flaws.
i hope you wow everyone at the Con. Please let us know what the response is after you attend, and how many people recognize you.
Velcro, maybe, for the holding up of things?
What's Spanx?
Yes, patches of industrial velcro, the costumers's friend.
Veritas! You make an awesome Katse!! I am so impressed by your sewing skillz! You are so talented!!
Ladygalactor777
Boardie
posted 30 Jan 2009 20:51
Originally posted by veritas[FONT=comic sans ms]Nice work but the cape looks so small Katse's cape covers his entire body...buy nice! I want one [/FONT]
Ahh yes, this is where costumes that are open to interpretation mean there are choices; and every one has their own way on interpreting.The problem with making costumes like this, is that in drawings, the clothes dont always obey the laws of normal clothes /fabric.
In this case , you could have a cape that hugged the shoulders and body and gave a good shape, or a cape that was full and flared when you raised your arms, you cant have both.The cape does come round the body, in the full length shot, its flipped over my shoulders.
I went for the sleeker shape,because walking around the Con, my arms will be by my side and not in the air. By fitting around the shoulders, your upper arms are restricted in movement and are basically pinned to the upper body. To pose or move the arms the cape has to be flipped back. The extra fabric needed to make the cape billow and flare out means you cant have the fitted look, in this particular case.
The only costumes where interpretion doesnt cause debate is the star wars ones featured in the clothing a galaxy book. If you make a costume from there and dont use the fabrics etc used in the films, as told in the book.... well. The hard core fans round you up, hold a kangeroo court where you are found guilty and hung!*
* some parts of this post may not be true, mainly the hanging part , but the trial bit stands.
* some parts of this post may not be true, mainly the hanging part , but the trial bit stands.
Originally posted by veritas The problem with making costumes like this, is that in drawings, the clothes dont always obey the laws of normal clothes /fabric.Do you mean that I can never have jeans like Condor Joe's, where I can keep handfuls of feather shuriken and/or my gun completely concealed in the outer seam of one thigh?
Veritas, your costume is fab-u-lous!!! I am in awe of your sewing skills and knowledge! Thank you so much for sharing!!
Fantastic costume, Veritas! And the photos are just wonderful: you've got the classic Katse poses down pat!
Originally posted by lborgia88The gun may be out but as i was watching the last 5 episodes last night, I jotted some ideas down for the shuriken concealment...Originally posted by veritas The problem with making costumes like this, is that in drawings, the clothes dont always obey the laws of normal clothes /fabric.Do you mean that I can never have jeans like Condor Joe's, where I can keep handfuls of feather shuriken and/or my gun completely concealed in the outer seam of one thigh?
Originally posted by veritasYou must have seen this sequence from ep. 103 then... (screencaps from Reboekah's site)Originally posted by lborgia88The gun may be out but as i was watching the last 5 episodes last night, I jotted some ideas down for the shuriken concealment...Originally posted by veritas The problem with making costumes like this, is that in drawings, the clothes dont always obey the laws of normal clothes /fabric.Do you mean that I can never have jeans like Condor Joe's, where I can keep handfuls of feather shuriken and/or my gun completely concealed in the outer seam of one thigh?
So you have ideas for how to conceal the shuriken?
Obviously you have the above mentioned problem of cartoons not obeying the laws of fabric, but the shuriken idea is basically a case of un picking a seam, inserting an internal pocket and adding a concealed zip in the seam when its stitched back up. Of course theory goes out the window when it comes to actually making the thing.
Veritas your Katse costume rocks! The closest I've ever gotten to a "working" cape for the Condor is a black Halloween one. (at least it was better then the towel ones I used as kids) 
Also your idea could be used for shurikens.... 
, maybe I can convince my mom to help create a whole Condor civie outfit for me. I all ready have ideas for the shurikens, using real bird feathers. Problem with it though, they are really tall. Plus, I need to wait till the summer, cause the two I had were destroyed by trial and error. 
Also your idea could be used for shurikens.... , maybe I can convince my mom to help create a whole Condor civie outfit for me. I all ready have ideas for the shurikens, using real bird feathers. Problem with it though, they are really tall. Plus, I need to wait till the summer, cause the two I had were destroyed by trial and error.
It sure would be easier to replicate this if only Joe had worn old-style jodphurs! 
shamrokchick
Forum Legend
posted 2 Feb 2009 07:52
Its terrific.
I know what you mean by interpretation, Joes car is `not` road legal, nor is it a true race car.
...And the livery is wrong...
Im going to go for a free interpretation.
(nor am I sure whether the car is metallic or plain...Im going with metallic as thats true to the real thing.)
oh I wanna see that, a G2, thats extreme costuming! I wanted my Car tricked out like an X-wing for ages after i saw the star wars cars.
Originally posted by lborgia88 The problem with making costumes like this, is that in drawings, the clothes dont always obey the laws of normal clothes /fabric.Do you mean that I can never have jeans like Condor Joe's, where I can keep handfuls of feather shuriken and/or my gun completely concealed in the outer seam of one thigh?
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The gun may be out but as i was watching the last 5 episodes last night, I jotted some ideas down for the shuriken concealment...[/quote]
You must have seen this sequence from ep. 103 then... (screencaps from Reboekah's site)
So you have ideas for how to conceal the shuriken?[/quote]
I wanna know where he keeps his other gun?
Those white jeans are sooo tight....yummy. Did you notice the bell bottom on them.
Originally posted by veritasYou looked amazing great job on the fit and sewing of the costume. How did it all go?
Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
posted 19 Feb 2009 05:49
Originally posted by EbonyswanneThose white jeans are sooo tight....yummy. Did you notice the bell bottom on them.Clearly the bell bottom is where he concelas his gun when he's not using it! There must be some kind of 'gun elevator' in his pants to raise the gun up to his pocket when he needs it... Oh no... this is too silly, and I'm starting to think smutty thoughts...
Clearly the bell bottom is where he concelas his gun when he's not using it! There must be some kind of 'gun elevator' in his pants to raise the gun up to his pocket when he needs it... Oh no... this is too silly, and I'm starting to think smutty thoughts...I'd have liked to be the seamstress who measured up for that. You'd have to do it a few times, cant leave anything to chance....
Your right, Veritas about clothes not obeying the laws of physics.
Too many characters cloaks can both cling and billow...
(I go for clingy, as its more realistic and comfy.)
The cars a project on hold...hard to get one like his these days.
(and where did Joe get his? Gatch is set in the future, after all. But Nissan have made many `retro` cars (The Figaro is a famous one that springs to mind; but there were many others) so why not the C10??)
Originally posted by veritas I'd have liked to be the seamstress who measured up for that. You'd have to do it a few times, cant leave anything to chance....If only my sewing teacher, in Home Economics class 25 years ago, could have mentioned that particular aspect of making clothes -I would have tried much harder to master sewing!!
Originally posted by Transmute JunDo have any idea of the thoughts(mostly smut) that ran through my mind when you said that....I wonder what happens when it malfunctions...ROTFL Verits- I volunteer to do the inside leg measurement... and the ahhh waist (Because I get to put my arms around him...getting hot in here...)Originally posted by EbonyswanneThose white jeans are sooo tight....yummy. Did you notice the bell bottom on them.Clearly the bell bottom is where he concelas his gun when he's not using it! There must be some kind of 'gun elevator' in his pants to raise the gun up to his pocket when he needs it... Oh no... this is too silly, and I'm starting to think smutty thoughts...
Ebony, I think Joe's "other" gun would appear then..... 
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