It looks like the majority vote was for the Galactor Captains. (Maybe next week we can return to the good side LB.) So who wants to get started and post some screen caps. of their favourite Captain? I am still trying to decide if there is one that stands out over the others.

I'm trying to think which Captain had the most ridiculous outfit...so many too choose from!

Okay, I'll pull some from my ER screenshots. Here we have a fellow who wants to join the Village People: This guy attempts to pull one over on Jun. I don't think so. Here, the Condor approaches what Galactor seems to think is a tank: Egobossler thought this slug mecha was pretty cool: The individual pieces of the Gatchaspartan shoot at a flying panther mecha: In Gatchaman II, this was the Galactor-created gateway to an alternate dimension: Best of all, it's the ultimate mecha: the space ship pencil!

Originally posted by Transmute Jun In Gatchaman II, this was the Galactor-created gateway to an alternate dimension:

Now who was it who was talking about a Stargate/Gatch crossover? I see the Stargate already exists. It would not be much to see one of the Stargate teams popping through this.

These are good nasty guys! Makes me wonder what sort of horrid costume the captain of the slug mecha had to wear. Do you think it was slimy and had no legs? And I love the Stargate. That is comedy. I wish had technical skills so I could find and post this myself . . . isn't there an EP where Ken dresses up as a Mecha Captain? The one with the prisoners.

Originally posted by gogirl212 Makes me wonder what sort of horrid costume the captain of the slug mecha had to wear. Do you think it was slimy and had no legs?

Actually, Egobossler had two henchmen: Mechandor and Kempeler. Those two pretty much operated all of the mecha, so there were no freaky captain of the week costumes in Gatchaman Fighter, AFAIK. Instead, they had many more freaky mecha than in Gatchaman II (where the emphasis was on building bases).

isn't there an EP where Ken dresses up as a Mecha Captain? The one with the prisoners.

Yes. Yes there was.

best hair...

Hi all!

Actually, Egobossler had two henchmen: Mechandor and Kempeler. Those two pretty much operated all of the mecha, so there were no freaky captain of the week costumes in Gatchaman Fighter, AFAIK. Instead, they had many more freaky mecha than in Gatchaman II (where the emphasis was on building bases).

You're right that most of the Captain roles in Gatchaman Fighter were filled by Kempeler and Mekandor, but there were a few that did appear. Specifically, we have as follows: From Gatchaman Fighter #20, the Captain of the Iron Beast Devil Trippler. From Gatchaman Fighter #21, Garios, the Commander of the Secret Base on BC Island. From Gatchaman Fighter #27, the Ski Patrol Captain. And, while he wasn't quite a Captain, Gatchaman Fighter #20 also had this Gallactor Chief. None of these episodes appeared in Eagle Riders, so you wouldn't have seen any of them there. Well, okay, parts of Gatchaman Fighter #27 appeared in Eagle Riders, but none of the scenes with the Gallactor Ski Patrol, just the big mecha fight scene from the end of the episode. James

I've found a few to add.

LB for some reason one of your pictures is posted on top of another. I have never seen that happen. (Have you learned to do something new?) Edit: Forget that, it fixed itself when I reloaded the page. *Cloud slaps head and gives a Homer Simpson "Doh!"*

Originally posted by tatsunokofanNone of these episodes appeared in Eagle Riders, so you wouldn't have seen any of them there. Well, okay, parts of Gatchaman Fighter #27 appeared in Eagle Riders, but none of the scenes with the Gallactor Ski Patrol, just the big mecha fight scene from the end of the episode.

Thank you, James! I had no idea about those captains. But I did have an idea that if I was wrong in any part of my statement, you would be there to fill in the missing pieces. Thank you!

LB, of your mecha captain picks I think I like the Bozo the Clown captain!

Bozo the clown/mecha commander is a true classic! I found some more, but they're thumbnails.

Originally posted by clouddancer (Have you learned to do something new?)

Darn, I almost had someone thinking that I possess secret abilities!

Another Captain

I don't remember that guy, Meg! Where's he from?

Hi all!

I don't remember that guy, Meg! Where's he from?

I'm not Meg (Nor do I play her on TV), but that Captain is from Gatchaman #54, "Gatchaman's Burning Rage" (AKA "Raid of the Red Scorpion" or "The Vengeance," for the BotP and G-Force inclined). James

Originally posted by lborgia88

Originally posted by clouddancer (Have you learned to do something new?)

Darn, I almost had someone thinking that I possess secret abilities!

Trust me I still do. Anyone who can write stories like you do MUST have secret abilities.

Originally posted by tatsunokofan I'm not Meg (Nor do I play her on TV),

Oh, James, you would look soooo hot as Meg....

but that Captain is from Gatchaman #54, "Gatchaman's Burning Rage" (AKA "Raid of the Red Scorpion" or "The Vengeance," for the BotP and G-Force inclined).

Really? Is this the guy Ken harassed with the fire extinguisher? I haven't seen that ep in ages (somehow, Ken being upset about RI's death makes me feel nauseous) but now I'm curious...

Here is the chart of all of the Gatch 1 mechas and vilains...put together so nicely by Cricket...thanks Cricket! I plan on adding it to Jun's Joint soon... Captain/Mecha Chart

Wow, she did a good job on that. Excellent work Cricket - I now have it bookmarked.

but that Captain is from Gatchaman #54, "Gatchaman's Burning Rage" (AKA "Raid of the Red Scorpion" or "The Vengeance," for the BotP and G-Force inclined).

TJ wrote: "Really? Is this the guy Ken harassed with the fire extinguisher? I haven't seen that ep in ages (somehow, Ken being upset about RI's death makes me feel nauseous) but now I'm curious." Yes TJ it's him. It's also that ep when Jun stood up to Ken and called him "cry baby".

Hi all!

Really? Is this the guy Ken harassed with the fire extinguisher?

Yes, he is.

Here is the chart of all of the Gatch 1 mechas and vilains...put together so nicely by Cricket...thanks Cricket! I plan on adding it to Jun's Joint soon...

There are a couple that are missing from there (Like the Commando Squad Captain in #73 and a Gallactor Base Captain from #74), and a few guys who are listed there as Captains who aren't (Like the Black Bird Riders in #85 and the Gallactor Members in #87), but that's overall a fairly good list. James

Originally posted by meg

but that Captain is from Gatchaman #54, "Gatchaman's Burning Rage" (AKA "Raid of the Red Scorpion" or "The Vengeance," for the BotP and G-Force inclined).

TJ wrote: "Really? Is this the guy Ken harassed with the fire extinguisher? I haven't seen that ep in ages (somehow, Ken being upset about RI's death makes me feel nauseous) but now I'm curious." Yes TJ it's him. It's also that ep when Jun stood up to Ken and called him "cry baby".

Oups! I messed up a bit with the quotes on that one.

Originally posted by Transmute Jun (somehow, Ken being upset about RI's death makes me feel nauseous)

And the guy won't stay dead either, will he? He keeps "reappearing" and getting Ken's hopes up...

Originally posted by clouddancer

Originally posted by lborgia88 Darn, I almost had someone thinking that I possess secret abilities!

Trust me I still do. Anyone who can write stories like you do MUST have secret abilities.

This one is from ep 78

Oh, I know this guy! He gets a lot of screen time in an episode I've watched many times for all the good Joe scenes.

Originally posted by meg Oups! I messed up a bit with the quotes on that one.

S'okay. I got the message.

I've been exploring Cricket's excellent page. I forgotten this guy, from ep. 36. I think he's my new favourite, at least where his appearance is concerned!

Here's my favorite, at least where sheer total dorkiness of costume is concerned. This is the captain of the Devil Snake mecha from the OAVs . . . or, as I like to call him, the pony-guppy-salamander guy. Looking all tough: A close-up of that winning headgear: Captain having a bad day: Realizing that that lipstick is actually a bomb: And, my very favorite aspect of the guy's costume: the tail. Although in this shot his posture looks vaguely pornographic. Sorry about that . . . :

Originally posted by lborgia88 Oh, I know this guy! He gets a lot of screen time in an episode I've watched many times for all the good Joe scenes.

I think he's funny.

Originally posted by Transmute Jun

Originally posted by meg Oups! I messed up a bit with the quotes on that one.

S'okay. I got the message.

Thank you TJ. This makes me feel better

Nice shots Barrdwing! I have seen only 1st ep of OAV. Why on earth did they put the tail on his costume?

Barrdwig, I had forgotten about that guy! You're right, the tail is hysterical! I think he wanted his hair to compete with Rocky's/OAV Ryu.

Originally posted by meg Nice shots Barrdwing! I have seen only 1st ep of OAV. Why on earth did they put the tail on his costume?

Barrdwing posting from spousal computer, since hers is completely AFU this morning . . . Why the tail? That's a really good question! Sometimes I think the costumers just really had it in for the captains, and the captains were all so fashion-challenged that they couldn't tell how bad the outfits were.

Originally posted by Transmute Jun Okay, I'll pull some from my ER screenshots. Best of all, it's the ultimate mecha: the space ship pencil!

Did by any chance the team use a Gatchrubber to erase any graffiti from the pencil ship and did they also use a Gatchsharpener to take out the pencil shop?

Originally posted by tatsunokofan Sometimes I think the costumers just really had it in for the captains, and the captains were all so fashion-challenged that they couldn't tell how bad the outfits were.

Perhaps it was like a hazing stunt. Wear the flashy costume and survive an encounter with the Science Ninja Team, and you get to lead Galactor! Only Berg Katse ever passed the test... but only barely. That's why he still have to keep wearing his costume. You could also go with the idea that Katse wanted the Captains to look sillier than he did.

You could be on something there TJ about how Katse wanted the captains looking more sillier than he did.

Also their silly outfits usually coordinated with their mecha.

[FONT=comic sans][SIZE=3]From all the galactor captains this is my favorite... I like the way he looks.[/SIZE] [IMG][/FONT] [FONT=comic sans ms][SIZE=3][COLOR=red]& this is the most dorkiest...is humiliating! hahahah![/COLOR] [/SIZE] [/FONT]

Oh, the Shakespearean ant dude! Yeah, he definitely got the short end of the stick when it came to costuming. I can't think of anyone who looks good in pantaloons. And considering that Mr. Ant is actually Katse . . . boy, makes you wonder about his fashion sense, dunnit? Because if anybody had some say in what he was going to wear, it would be him--unlike some of those other poor souls, who may have been under orders to wear those ridiculous outfits. Or not. Who can tell?

Originally posted by Barrdwing Oh, the Shakespearean ant dude! Yeah, he definitely got the short end of the stick when it came to costuming. I can't think of anyone who looks good in pantaloons. And considering that Mr. Ant is actually Katse . . . boy, makes you wonder about his fashion sense, dunnit? Because if anybody had some say in what he was going to wear, it would be him--unlike some of those other poor souls, who may have been under orders to wear those ridiculous outfits. Or not. Who can tell?

I think this was all part of Katse's deception. NO ONE would imagine he's Katse, because they would assume he had no control over his outfit...

Okay, okay, the sixteenth century is my field, so I reluctantly feel compelled to point out that women then did actually think that (upper-class ) men looked hot when dressed like this, mostly because the tight hose, from mid-thigh down, did accentuate men's legs (one of Elizabeth I's leading courtiers, Christopher Hatton, supposedly first caught her attention because she liked his legs). Me, I like the Condor's boots (and legs) much, much better!

And those boots are tight and accentuate the well defined muscles and length of leg that seems to go on forever. (Well .... at least, that is a recap of how I have defined the Eagles legs in a story I started writing, but left, but I could use it to describe the Condor's legs just as well.)

Ooooops, Double Post.

Hi all!

From all the galactor captains this is my favorite... I like the way he looks.

We actually came close to seeing that particular uniform a lot in the series. It was originally designed to be the outfit worn by Berg Katse, only to be replaced at the last minute by the more familiar purple suit he wears. Apparently Tatsunoko didn't want the design work to go to waste, so they simply recycled it and used it for the Commander from the first two episodes of the series. This change came so late in pre-production that Tatsunoko had already provided images of that costume to their advertising agency. As a result, some very early Gatchaman merchandise and comics show that costume as being the one worn by Katse. By the way, as a point of trivia, it should be noted that not all of the guys generally thought of as "Captains" weren't actually a Captain. Some of them were actually Commanders (Specifically the guys from episode #'s 1 & 2, 17, 26, 39 & 40, 74, and Gatchaman Fighter #21), and a couple were Commanding Captains (In Episode #'s 18 and 57). Anyway, more than you ever really cared to know... James

But still very interesting James. From my limited knowledge, I would have said they were all Captains. Thank you.

And here I thought Mark was the only Commander.... Thank you for your insight, James. Now for the real question: does a Commander outrank a Captain? And presumably the Commanding Captain outranks them both?

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Now for the real question: does a Commander outrank a Captain? And presumably the Commanding Captain outranks them both?

It's difficult to say, exactly. The specific titles used for Gallactor ranks do not correlate to any actual ranking system I have found, Japanese or otherwise. In the ranking system used by the U.S. Navy, a Commander is lower ranked than a Captain. Unfortunately, the kanji used by the Japanese for those same U.S. Navy ranks are not the same as used by Gallactor Commanders and Captains. So, while part of me leans toward using our ranking system, since it uses both Commander and Captain, this may not have been the intent of Tatsunoko (Assuming they had any intent at all regarding these ranks). The Commanding Captain might provide us with the best clue as to which one is higher ranked. It is traditional within our ranking system to add a lower ranking suffix to a rank to indicate divisions within a rank level (Lieutenant Colonel being lower ranked than a Colonel, for example). The Japanese military handles this slightly differently, adding kanji for "small," "medium," and "large" or "3," "2", and "1" as a suffix to ranks to designate where on the ladder of a particular rank someone is positioned, but the intent seems to be similar. By that logic, a Gallactor Commanding Captain would likely be a step between a Commander and a Captain, where one is higher ranked than a Commander, but not as highly ranked as a Captain. I'll admit that this is speculate on my part, but assuming Tatsunoko intended to follow the traditions of military ranking, I would guess that the Captain would outrank the Commander. Assuming that is correct, the levels of known Gallactor ranks would go as follows: Governor (X) Leader (Katse) Captain Commanding Captain Commander Chief Member The rank of Vice Governor briefly existed between Governor and Leader, but pretty much in name only. This was the rank given to Dr. Henjinman in Gatchaman #21 , and was used mostly to trick the Doctor into creating cyborg horses for Gallactor. Once Henjinman's usefulness to Gallactor was finished, both he and his rank were eliminated. James

Okay, I'm going to write this one down.... I'm actually working on a fic right now (slowly, because ER Episode Guide is taking priority) where this could come in very handy. So thank you! Okay, I'm veeeeerrrrrry fuzzy on this, but I know there was that big bald guy with the white beard in the TNG Admiral's uniform who temporarily took over from Berg Katse (and was promptly dispatched by the KNT). I'm at work so I can't look up his name. Presuming that you know what the heck I'm talking about (sometimes I confuse myself) what was his rank?

I don't know his proper Gatch rank, but in BotP he was Colonel Tu, and evidently ranked highly enough for the Luminous One to choose him as a replacement for Zoltar. When James gets home this afternoon I'll let him know there's another good question here!

Originally posted by Barrdwing I don't know his proper Gatch rank, but in BotP he was Colonel Tu, and evidently ranked highly enough for the Luminous One to choose him as a replacement for Zoltar. When James gets home this afternoon I'll let him know there's another good question here!

If James keeps putting himself out to answer all of our questions, he's going to find himself very busy! But yes, Colonel Tu. That's the BOTP name. I just can't remember the Gatch name.

Originally posted by tatsunokofan Assuming that is correct, the levels of known Gallactor ranks would go as follows: Governor (X) Leader (Katse) Captain Commanding Captain Commander Chief Member

So if we were to use this ranking in the BoTP universe, this would mean that Mark outranks Anderson?

In a lot of fics, people have written that: Mark, while in the field or definitely during a battle out ranks Anderson. In fact I have seen someone say, as Commander, he out ranks everyone during a battle.

Originally posted by Hinotori So if we were to use this ranking in the BoTP universe, this would mean that Mark outranks Anderson?

Good one, Hino!

Hi all!

Okay, I'm veeeeerrrrrry fuzzy on this, but I know there was that big bald guy with the white beard in the TNG Admiral's uniform who temporarily took over from Berg Katse (and was promptly dispatched by the KNT). I'm at work so I can't look up his name. Presuming that you know what the heck I'm talking about (sometimes I confuse myself) what was his rank?

The guy you're thinking of is Doctor Finger, who appeared in Gatchaman #90, "The Armored Iron Beast Matangar" (AKA "the Awesome Armadillo" in BotP). Beyond being a top Gallactor scientist, he has no official rank. His intent was to show X that he could defeat the Science Ninja Team. If he succeeded in doing so, his reward was that he would replace Katse as Leader. As things stand, the scientific side of Gallactor does not seem to fall into the hierarchy of ranks normally associated with Gallactor. Instead, it acts like a separate, non-military portion of the organization. We don't generally see too much of this side, but we do see some of them at work when they are examining Jun's captured shoe, and we know that their ranks included people like Dr. Misuno (Gatchaman #74), Dr. Ogawara and Nakamora (Both from Gatchaman #59), and, of course, Dr. Finger. James

Originally posted by tatsunokofan As things stand, the scientific side of Gallactor does not seem to fall into the hierarchy of ranks normally associated with Gallactor. Instead, it acts like a separate, non-military portion of the organization. We don't generally see too much of this side, but we do see some of them at work when they are examining Jun's captured shoe, and we know that their ranks included people like Dr. Misuno (Gatchaman #74), Dr. Ogawara and Nakamora (Both from Gatchaman #59), and, of course, Dr. Finger.

You're right, James, we don't see much of this side of Galactor, which leads me to wonder how much autonomy it has from Katse... interesting... Thanks for the information and inspiration!

Originally posted by clouddancer And those boots are tight and accentuate the well defined muscles and length of leg that seems to go on forever. (Well .... at least, that is a recap of how I have defined the Eagles legs in a story I started writing, but left, but I could use it to describe the Condor's legs just as well.)

Good description clouddancer! And thanks James for all the great info!

Hi all!

You're right, James, we don't see much of this side of Galactor, which leads me to wonder how much autonomy it has from Katse... interesting...

I would doubt that they would have any great amount of autonomy from Katse. Instead, they would likely work on what they are told to by Katse. Think of them like a research branch of the military, where the personel there would work on the projects they are assigned to. New ideas could be proposed, but approval would have to come from higher up before any amount of research and development could occur. Besides, if you were in charge of an organization like Gallactor, would you allow a bunch of people to work on projects that you knew nothing about, or would you keep them under close scrutiny to make sure they don't do anything that could challenge you? We know Katse keeps tabs on his Captains and their crews, as shown in Gatchaman #78. It seems likely that he would do the same for his scientists. James