Not a very Gatchy subject, I know. I'm in my last highschool year and I've applied for an international scolarship. Since the East European former communist countries have an ancient school catalogue I'd like to know how education works in West. Do they lay weight on lab works and tutorial classes more than on theoretical courses? How does a schedule look like? How many classes per day? Here it's 5-6 hours at school depending on the schedule. I'd also like to know what West Students learn during objects like Math, Chemistry, and Physics. Anyway this is how my XII degree Math book looks like: Are the Occidental student's ones any (more) different? How? Thanks !!!

It been so long since I've been in school....from what my nieces and nephews say its a mix and it depends on the school. Which country are you looking at going to? You lost me on the first math problem...

I graduated from high school in Nova Scotia, Canada, in 1988. Your textbook there looks like integral calculus. In my last year of high school, grade 12, we only just touched on the basics of calculus -really simple derivations. I didn't really do calculus until my first semester of university, and didn't do integral calculus until my second semester. You got me curious, so I looked up my former high school. It looks like they teach calculus now in grade 12. High school in Nova Scotia lasts three years, grades 10, 11, and 12. http://www.cpa.ednet.ns.ca/mathematics/index.htm Here's what my high school is teaching in science these days. It's about what I remember learning, except they didn't offer "Geology" or "Oceans" in my day, just biology, chemistry and physics. http://www.cpa.ednet.ns.ca/science/index.htm

YJ's in accounting, she'd know about it...

ACK! All of those letters and numbers...feeling...faint....

Ow that textbook made my brain hur!

Originally posted by Springie ACK! All of those letters and numbers...feeling...faint....

Glad I am not the only one who is feeling that way. Now I know why I did not do grade 13 math.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne It been so long since I've been in school....from what my nieces and nephews say its a mix and it depends on the school. Which country are you looking at going to?

That depends by your options, the results you get at the preliminarily exams and the skills you have in the country of interest's language. The best students got scholarships at Cambridge and Oxford. I am dreaming at scholarship in molecular biology, which University of Berlin has the best reputation! The preliminary exams are at Math, Chem and Bio. I also heard the students from Occident have a whole different learning syllabus from Eastern european countries. I hope I won't be forced to start from zero!

Originally posted by lborgia88 I graduated from high school in Nova Scotia, Canada, in 1988. Your textbook there looks like integral calculus. In my last year of high school, grade 12, we only just touched on the basics of calculus -really simple derivations. I didn't really do calculus until my first semester of university, and didn't do integral calculus until my second semester. You got me curious, so I looked up my former high school. It looks like they teach calculus now in grade 12. High school in Nova Scotia lasts three years, grades 10, 11, and 12. http://www.cpa.ednet.ns.ca/mathematics/index.htm Here's what my high school is teaching in science these days. It's about what I remember learning, except they didn't offer "Geology" or "Oceans" in my day, just biology, chemistry and physics. http://www.cpa.ednet.ns.ca/science/index.htm

Thank you very much, LB! So far the syllabus is very much like my own!

Originally posted by amyltrer Thank you very much, LB! So far the syllabus is very much like my own!

Glad I could help!

I don't know about European schools, but that looks to be about the level of calculus I covered during my last year of high school. Of course, when I went to undergrad, not everyone had had the same level of calculus, so we covered all of that again in first year. The Basic (i.e. not honors/theoretical) first year Calculus course at a Canadian/American university would cover that stuff. (And FTR, Ebony, even as an accountant, I NEVER do calculus. At least, not since I left grad school.)

The problem with the British education system is that they can't decide with courses they want kids to take for example, you got GCEs, GCSE (which I have got), NVQ, and many more. Also, they keep changing the level of difficulty for the kids, because of the damm leagues they have. It really wasn't like this when I was at school.

Originally posted by Transmute Jun I don't know about European schools, but that looks to be about the level of calculus I covered during my last year of high school. Of course, when I went to undergrad, not everyone had had the same level of calculus, so we covered all of that again in first year. The Basic (i.e. not honors/theoretical) first year Calculus course at a Canadian/American university would cover that stuff. (And FTR, Ebony, even as an accountant, I NEVER do calculus. At least, not since I left grad school.)

Did you do Ontario's grade 13, TJ? I remember at McGill, all the Ontario students had done grade 13, and they definitely had a leg up where the maths and sciences were concerned. But, they didn't really get any credit for it, unlike Quebec's CEGEP students, who automatically bypassed all the first year science classes and were put right into the second year program. Completely irrelevant piece of trivia: This guy, Cameron Mathison, sat in the row in front of me, in my freshman Physics class at McGill in the fall of 1988. I thought he was gorgeous but was far too shy to say a word to him. Looks like he made about as much use of the Physics class as I did though, in the end. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0558950/

Originally posted by lborgia88 This guy, Cameron Mathison, sat in the row in front of me, in my freshman Physics class at McGill in the fall of 1988. I thought he was gorgeous but was far too shy to say a word to him. Looks like he made about as much use of the Physics class as I did though, in the end. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0558950/

Wow, he might not have used his Physics but he definitely uses his physique! You've been classmate with him and you've lost the opportunity, LB? Pity!

He's so hot...I'll bet you didn't remember a thing from that class...he's quite a distraction!

Back then, he had longer, shaggier hair and, fashion-wise, dressed "early grunge," but every time he turned sideways, I'd be admiring his profile. I really don't remember too much from that class! But, that's mostly because about a year later, I switched majors from Chemistry to History and ceased to make any use of my science classes. I still have the textbook, though. I can never seem to get rid of any books.

OK I popped into this thread...and now I'm lost can someone give me directions???

Originally posted by lborgia88 Did you do Ontario's grade 13, TJ? I remember at McGill, all the Ontario students had done grade 13, and they definitely had a leg up where the maths and sciences were concerned. But, they didn't really get any credit for it, unlike Quebec's CEGEP students, who automatically bypassed all the first year science classes and were put right into the second year program.

Yes. I was actually around the first time they seriously started trying to get rid of grade 13, and I ended up doing an accelerated program where I did grades 9-13 in four years. Actually, what ended up happening was that I did grades 9-12 in three years, and then had a proper grade 13 year. So yes, I'm talking about my grade 13 calculus class. Fortunately, at Queen's, we didn't have any of those elitist Quebequois stereotypes.

Originally posted by lborgia88 Back then, he had longer, shaggier hair and, fashion-wise, dressed "early grunge," but every time he turned sideways, I'd be admiring his profile. I really don't remember too much from that class! But, that's mostly because about a year later, I switched majors from Chemistry to History and ceased to make any use of my science classes. I still have the textbook, though. I can never seem to get rid of any books.

I hear you, LB! I still have my undergrad economics notes. That prof was so good... one of the best teachers I've ever had! And the notes are so clear... I hate to get rid of them! I mean, suppose I run for political office someday and need to explain an economic concept?

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne OK I popped into this thread...and now I'm lost can someone give me directions???

Take the first one on the left and then right and right again and then left and then go past that thread and then right, right and then left, right left and left again and there you will be. If you are still lost then just use the Sat Nav in your car.

Uh, Met?? You know you just gave her directions to the Rubber Room, don't you?? And I'm pretty certain Ebony already knows where that room is!

Well she asked for directions, but she didn't say where to. Also, I just made up those directions and didn't even know that they led to the Rubber Room.

I ended up in a thread where they are talking maths...that was my WORST subject at school. I finally passed it in senior years for the first time. I got put in all the lower grade classes for years... Bad memories of teachers treating you like you didn't have any intelligence. I was always better at other areas.... The I got a teacher in senior years who was excellent at finding where the student was struggling and thats when I finally began to not just pass but I actually finished up with high marks in my final exams.

Originally posted by Metaliant Well she asked for directions, but she didn't say where to. Also, I just made up those directions and didn't even know that they led to the Rubber Room.

Oh, whoops... Those were the secret directions... I forgot that only certain female Eagles knew those... Well, I guess I can let you enter through that passage, since you're the Eagle in Residence. Plus if I don't, since you're also the Temporary Frisker, I may be reprimanded in a way that I'm not sure I want to be!

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne I ended up in a thread where they are talking maths...

Yeah, I noticed that... Who detoured the Rubber Room with a math thread???? Yuck!

It a Galactor plot I tell ya...but then it was Egos greatest love that started it...

Well, they needed the math to design the Rubber Room...

Originally posted by Metaliant Well she asked for directions, but she didn't say where to. Also, I just made up those directions and didn't even know that they led to the Rubber Room.

Met, here all the roads lead to Rubber Room!

Originally posted by Hinotori

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne I ended up in a thread where they are talking maths...

Yeah, I noticed that... Who detoured the Rubber Room with a math thread???? Yuck!

Yess, I did it! How evil of me!!!! But hey, look at the bright side! If you're good at maths, then Nambu will pick you as his assisitant and you'll get close by KNTG! Eagle yuck, but there's the Condor!

Nahhh Ebony has signed up for the revamp civies and Birdstyle section of Nambu's team. There is a motive, I get to measure up the Eagle and the Condor...I'll take my time with the inside leg measurement... Actually, i use maths in pattern making come to think of it....

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne Nahhh Ebony has signed up for the revamp civies and Birdstyle section of Nambu's team. There is a motive, I get to measure up the Eagle and the Condor...I'll take my time with the inside leg measurement... Actually, i use maths in pattern making come to think of it....

That is just what i was going to say Ebony, and measuring is a math skill as well. You have to know where to start and stop and leave no spaces between the item you are measuring with. (Of course in grade 1 math we are using non standard items (hands, fingers, cards, paperclips) not rulers.) Cloud turns to Ebony can I be your assistant? I might need to use my hands and fingers to check your measurements for accuracy

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne I ended up in a thread where they are talking maths...that was my WORST subject at school. I finally passed it in senior years for the first time. I got put in all the lower grade classes for years... Bad memories of teachers treating you like you didn't have any intelligence. I was always better at other areas.... The I got a teacher in senior years who was excellent at finding where the student was struggling and thats when I finally began to not just pass but I actually finished up with high marks in my final exams.

Maths wasn't never my best or my favourite subject. In the First year of my Comphrensive school (the British High school version and I was only 12 at the time), my maths teacher was also my PE teacher whom I didn't like and was teaching us (so I was told years later) stuff slightly beyond what we were suppose to be teaching. In the Second year, our maths teacher was different and was more helpful and I even had to go and see another teacher after school to help me with my maths. Even so, I barely managed to pass my GCSE maths and I use to sometimes frustrate my dad when he asks maths questions and expected me to answer with seconds. By the way is 1 + 1 = 11?

Originally posted by Hinotori

Originally posted by Metaliant Well she asked for directions, but she didn't say where to. Also, I just made up those directions and didn't even know that they led to the Rubber Room.

Oh, whoops... Those were the secret directions... I forgot that only certain female Eagles knew those... Well, I guess I can let you enter through that passage, since you're the Eagle in Residence. Plus if I don't, since you're also the Temporary Frisker, I may be reprimanded in a way that I'm not sure I want to be!

Well, I might have to ask Ken to frisk you if you don't let me through the secret passage. I am sure you will enjoy THAT type of frisking.

Originally posted by amyltrer

Originally posted by Metaliant Well she asked for directions, but she didn't say where to. Also, I just made up those directions and didn't even know that they led to the Rubber Room.

Met, here all the roads lead to Rubber Room!

How true.

Calculus...totally foreign language for me...and usually I'm pretty good at languages...just not that one...

Originally posted by kimiko Calculus...totally foreign language for me...and usually I'm pretty good at languages...just not that one...

Which language you are good at, Kimi?

I need my fingers for basic math!! Crazy for a person who spent 20 years in a bank - but I have a symbiotic relationship with my calculator. That said - my school years are 25 years behind me (!!!!!) so I have no idea what is taught in Australia now - but when I was at high school, Calculus was taught in Maths I in years 11 & 12.

Originally posted by Madilayn I need my fingers for basic math!! Crazy for a person who spent 20 years in a bank - but I have a symbiotic relationship with my calculator. That said - my school years are 25 years behind me (!!!!!) so I have no idea what is taught in Australia now - but when I was at high school, Calculus was taught in Maths I in years 11 & 12.

Math I? I'm doing the same thing in Math II syllabus! I hope that means my knowledge covers what is requested in abroad universities.