I have been thinking and yes it does hurt, but I was thinking that since there are many types of eagles, falcons, hawks, swans, etc, which kind of sparrow would G4 be and then I thought about trying to find out which type of eagle, condor, swan, sparrow and owl that the team could have been based on . So here's the results of my investigation. G1 - Mountain Hawk-eagle or Stellar's Sea Eagle G2 - Californa Condor - This is the only one with similar colours as Joe. G3 - Bewick's swan G4 - Japnese Sparrowhawk G5 - Blakiston's Fish-owl

Very interesting, Met. I think you made good choices. Condors look beautiful when in flight, but I hadn't realized just how ugly their heads really are until I looked at the pictures in the link -what was Joe thinking?

LOL... my DD did a project in school about endangered animals and she chose the California Condor... she was so proud to show it to me on Open House night! Wonder why? It was like our own secret joke!

Jinpei is meant to be a swallow though, not a sparrow.

Originally posted by meridianday Jinpei is meant to be a swallow though, not a sparrow.

Depends. I know I've seen some versions where he is considered a sparrow, and in the OAVs he was a falcon. In Eagle Rider's he's a *choke* Bird of Paradise. But you're right, of course, in the original Gatch series he's a Swallow....

I would be interested in why Met chose those varieties over others. I had thought of something different for the Swan. Eagle - I had not really done much of a search but had always thought of a larger variety. Jinpei, I think of as a Swallow with his forked tail Ryu, I had thought of as something more common for him like a barn owl or Hoot Owl, (considering I am N.A.)

Originally posted by meridianday Jinpei is meant to be a swallow though, not a sparrow.

"Oops, sorry." Bangs head agaisnt brick wall. G4 - Barn swallow - subspiecies - H. r. gutturalis I consider the Secretary bird as a funny named one because it sounds like calling a young woman secretary a "bird" as some British people call young women. And here's 2 more funny named birds Welcome swallow and Fairy martin swallow

Originally posted by meridianday Jinpei is meant to be a swallow though, not a sparrow.

"Oops, sorry." Bangs head agianst brick wall. G4 - Barn swallow - supspecies - H. r. gutturalis I consider the Secretary bird a funny named one as it sounds like you are calling a young woman secretary a "bird" as some British people would say. And here's two other funny named birds. The Welcome swallow and Fairy martin (a swallow).

Sorry double posted.

Originally posted by lborgia88 Very interesting, Met. I think you made good choices. Condors look beautiful when in flight, but I hadn't realized just how ugly their heads really are until I looked at the pictures in the link -what was Joe thinking?

Maybe he was drunk with grief over his parents or something.

Originally posted by clouddancer I would be interested in why Met chose those varieties over others. I had thought of something different for the Swan. Eagle - I had not really done much of a search but had always thought of a larger variety. Jinpei, I think of as a Swallow with his forked tail Ryu, I had thought of as something more common for him like a barn owl or Hoot Owl, (considering I am N.A.)

I only went for the birds that are seen in Japan and for the condor, I only found 2 types. As for Ryu, I guessed he was a Horned Owl. For the eagle, again I went for the eagle seen in Japan rather than another type of eagle. Could anybody tell me what country Getz comes from in Gatchaman II is and what type of bird he reperesents?

Originally posted by Metaliant

Originally posted by meridianday Jinpei is meant to be a swallow though, not a sparrow.

"Oops, sorry." Bangs head agianst brick wall.

The japanese sparrow hawk does sort of look like Jinpei's birdstyle though, with the blue colouring and the big yellow eye.

Ah, but does it have the same interest as collecting bugs as pets.

Originally posted by Metaliant Ah, but does it have the same interest as collecting bugs as pets.

More likely collecting bugs for lunch!!!!

Actually no, it doesn't eats bugs. I just checked and the Japanese sparrow-hawk collects birds while in lfight for it's lunch.

The Condor is beautiful in flight!!! What a wing spread!!!

Back in the '70's watching BotP I figured out that Mark was an Eagle, Keyop a Swallow and Tiny was a Horned Owl...though I've never seen any green/orangey owls...maybe those were his favorite colours... I pictured Princess first as a Dove and then a Swan after seeing the sequence where the team is silouetted or rather their shadows are casted as birds against the wall as they fly down. It was then that I noticed her shadow had a long neck...'that don't look like no Dove' my 12 year old brain concluded, so she was either a Swan or a Goose. And that made more sense to me because I knew personally from visiting Grandma's hen-house, how nasty and vicious a goose could be. (Yes, I was beaten up by a bird!) Not that I don't think Springie's Dove couldn't kick ass! I had no clue that G2 was a Condor. I just figured he was another kind of Eagle or Falcon, some kind of bird of prey. But I did think that Mark's white birdstyle vs. Jason's darker colours meant or represented something and was tied to their personalities somehow, like yin/yang, Good Cop/Bad Cop'. Oh how little did I know...

Originally posted by kimiko I had no clue that G2 was a Condor. I just figured he was another kind of Eagle or Falcon, some kind of bird of prey. But I did think that Mark's white birdstyle vs. Jason's darker colours meant or represented something and was tied to their personalities somehow, like yin/yang, Good Cop/Bad Cop'. Oh how little did I know...

I always thought G-2 was a hawk back in the day. It wasn't until I started poking around the Internet that I found out I was wrong. And I agree with one of the other posts on this thread--condors aren't the prettiest birds. From what I understand they're basically a kind of vulture. Yuck. Maybe the animators were focusing on the impressive wingspan when they chose it.

Originally posted by Fairlight

Originally posted by kimiko I had no clue that G2 was a Condor. I just figured he was another kind of Eagle or Falcon, some kind of bird of prey. But I did think that Mark's white birdstyle vs. Jason's darker colours meant or represented something and was tied to their personalities somehow, like yin/yang, Good Cop/Bad Cop'. Oh how little did I know...

I always thought G-2 was a hawk back in the day. It wasn't until I started poking around the Internet that I found out I was wrong. And I agree with one of the other posts on this thread--condors aren't the prettiest birds. From what I understand they're basically a kind of vulture. Yuck. Maybe the animators were focusing on the impressive wingspan when they chose it.

They would have to, he has an impressive body to match it. Not to mention, I believe he is the tallest on the team so would need the large windspan to keep himself in flight.

Watching BOTP as a kid, I was aware that Tiny was meant to be an owl, and that Mark and Jason's visors were shaped like birds of prey, but I never went any further than that, that I can recall. My memories of BOTP are, sadly, very patchy, but the two episodes that I can distinctly recall are Galaxy Girls and Race Against Disaster -both prominently featuring Jason, go figure.

I knew Mark was an eagle, Princess was a swan because of the visor was long and orange like a swans beak, I did think Keyop was a swallow or a sparrow-hawk, Tiny was a robin because the green and red were similar to Batman's sidekick Robin's colours and Jason was a falcon. Sigh, my young mind didn't know otherwise.

Sad to say, but my very first impression of Jinpei was a duck. The beak, you see.

Originally posted by Fairlight Sad to say, but my very first impression of Jinpei was a duck. The beak, you see.

What? Not the waddling and falling on his face?

or the clucks, quacks or squawks he gave?

Acted almost like Dafty Duck.

Originally posted by Fairlight Sad to say, but my very first impression of Jinpei was a duck. The beak, you see.

That image cracked me up laughing so hard!

Nice research there, Met! My BoTP memories are fuzzy at best, so I really don't remember if I made any connections between the characters and the birds they were supposed to represent. Though to this day I still can't figure out the Condor... All the other birds have some connotation of beauty or majesty or mysticism, but the condor, being a vulture, is known as being nature's garbage can... Eh, that's Nambu/Anderson for you... Give the team member with the most issues another negative to deal with...

Originally posted by clouddancer or the clucks, quacks or squawks he gave?

You know, if we had remotes back then, I would have hit the mute button every time I saw his face. With all that noise, poor Keyop never got the same amount of character development as everyone else. At least, I didn't think so.

Originally posted by Hinotori Nice research there, Met! My BoTP memories are fuzzy at best, so I really don't remember if I made any connections between the characters and the birds they were supposed to represent. Though to this day I still can't figure out the Condor... All the other birds have some connotation of beauty or majesty or mysticism, but the condor, being a vulture, is known as being nature's garbage can... Eh, that's Nambu/Anderson for you... Give the team member with the most issues another negative to deal with...

Vulture, really. Wow didn't really read that part. Does this mean that Joe is moonlighting as a bin man? If you aren't too sure what a bin man is, then please go to wikipedia link. You learn new things everyday. Right everybody let's sing the Condor's signature tune, My Old Man's a Dustman by Lonnie Donegan.

I have to admit the Condor does take out the trash real good, whether it be goons or mechas...LOL Maybe that's what the writers were going for.

Originally posted by kimiko I have to admit the Condor does take out the trash real good, whether it be goons or mechas...LOL Maybe that's what the writers were going for.

Well put, kimiko!

That is it Kimi. You found the connection.

Originally posted by Metaliant

Originally posted by Hinotori Nice research there, Met! My BoTP memories are fuzzy at best, so I really don't remember if I made any connections between the characters and the birds they were supposed to represent. Though to this day I still can't figure out the Condor... All the other birds have some connotation of beauty or majesty or mysticism, but the condor, being a vulture, is known as being nature's garbage can... Eh, that's Nambu/Anderson for you... Give the team member with the most issues another negative to deal with...

Vulture, really. Wow didn't really read that part. Does this mean that Joe is moonlighting as a bin man? If you aren't too sure what a bin man is, then please go to wikipedia link. You learn new things everyday. Right everybody let's sing the Condor's signature tune, My Old Man's a Dustman by Lonnie Donegan.

Met. when I see this, for some reason I think of Oscar the Grouch ... and relate him to the Condor. Cloud is now trying to remember Oscars song ...

Originally posted by clouddancer Cloud is now trying to remember Oscars song ...

"Oh, I love trash! Anything dirty or dingy or dusty, anything ragged or rotten or rusty, Yes I love trash! I have here a sneaker that's tattered and torn, it's all full of holes and the laces are worn -a gift from my mother the day I was born, Oh I love trash!"

Thank you lborgia. Does not quite fit Joe but with a few adaptations it could be a Mecha that is tattered and torn and Gallactors with holes and worn laces. (Or maybe the Gallactors wear lace uniforms... )

I learned that song in kindergarten for a "concert" the class put on for our parents. It's amazing what sticks in your memory. I could see Joe being sentimental about gifts from his mother, but she would never have given him trash!

Originally posted by clouddancer

Originally posted by Metaliant

Originally posted by Hinotori Nice research there, Met! My BoTP memories are fuzzy at best, so I really don't remember if I made any connections between the characters and the birds they were supposed to represent. Though to this day I still can't figure out the Condor... All the other birds have some connotation of beauty or majesty or mysticism, but the condor, being a vulture, is known as being nature's garbage can... Eh, that's Nambu/Anderson for you... Give the team member with the most issues another negative to deal with...

Vulture, really. Wow didn't really read that part. Does this mean that Joe is moonlighting as a bin man? If you aren't too sure what a bin man is, then please go to wikipedia link. You learn new things everyday. Right everybody let's sing the Condor's signature tune, My Old Man's a Dustman by Lonnie Donegan.

Met. when I see this, for some reason I think of Oscar the Grouch ... and relate him to the Condor. Cloud is now trying to remember Oscars song ...

Hhhhhmmmm, maybe but here's the song and singer that I was thinking of.

Thank you Met. Here is the Oscar the Grouch song I was talking about... I love Trash

Originally posted by clouddancer Thank you Met. Here is the Oscar the Grouch song I was talking about...

That brings back memories, though I see I didn't remember the lyrics exactly. I found your song too, Met. I swear everything is on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7GeZ3YmONw

I found it myself. My mum has a a box set of 4 CDs of songs from the 60s, which I copied and the song was on it. OOooooo, found this Oscar and Johnny Cash on YouTube.

I saw that one too Met.

And here's the Benny Hill video that was based on the Lonnie Donegan song.

Originally posted by clouddancer Does not quite fit Joe but with a few adaptations it could be a Mecha that is tattered and torn and Gallactors with holes and worn laces. (Or maybe the Gallactors wear lace uniforms... )

Oh, wait! I got it! I love mechas They're big and they're scary, and they crush They bury and they make people run and scream Yes, I love mechas! We have here a laser that's ready to fire It's locked and it's loaded, it's aimed at the city below A gift from Sosai the day I chose a new commander I love it because it's a mecha! Hmmm, on second thought, nevermind. Maybe I should just stick to fic writing....

Originally posted by lborgia88

Originally posted by clouddancer Cloud is now trying to remember Oscars song ...

"Oh, I love trash! Anything dirty or dingy or dusty, anything ragged or rotten or rusty, Yes I love trash! I have here a sneaker that's tattered and torn, it's all full of holes and the laces are worn -a gift from my mother the day I was born, Oh I love trash!"

But the Steve Tyler version is the best one!

Originally posted by Hinotori Oh, wait! I got it! I love mechas They're big and they're scary, and they crush They bury and they make people run and scream Yes, I love mechas! We have here a laser that's ready to fire It's locked and it's loaded, it's aimed at the city below A gift from Sosai the day I chose a new commander I love it because it's a mecha! Hmmm, on second thought, nevermind. Maybe I should just stick to fic writing....

That's great, Hino!

Way to go Hino. you and TJ do the best made up lyrics. I will have to keep prompting you for more. hee hee hee

Awesome Hino!! I wish I could come up with lines like that... mine usually make no sense...LOL

So, you think there is a connection between Joe and Oscar? Check out those bushy eyebrows...he needs a good wax...LOL

Originally posted by Springie So, you think there is a connection between Joe and Oscar? Check out those bushy eyebrows...he needs a good wax...LOL

Hmmm... Maybe just the eyebrows? Great lyrics, Hino!

Originally posted by Springie

Ohh do you think the grouch like cars as much a Joe?

Originally posted by Springie

I know this is an insult to Joe, but this one cracked me up!! I'm glad all of you liked the lyrics! Maybe I have a 2nd career going?? At least I actually finish these!!

Originally posted by Springie Check out those bushy eyebrows...he needs a good wax...LOL

Nooo! I like bushy eyebrows, on men at least.

Originally posted by lborgia88

Originally posted by Springie Check out those bushy eyebrows...he needs a good wax...LOL

Nooo! I like bushy eyebrows, on men at least.

So... are you saying that THIS is hot, then?

Originally posted by Transmute Jun

Originally posted by lborgia88

Originally posted by Springie Check out those bushy eyebrows...he needs a good wax...LOL

Nooo! I like bushy eyebrows, on men at least.

So... are you saying that THIS is hot, then?

Is that a picture of the Condor when he is old? With the unruley hair and all.

Originally posted by Transmute Jun So... are you saying that THIS is hot, then?

No fair! Waxing that guy's eyebrows wouldn't do much to help him. I don't know, I've probably been brainwashed from childhood on. As evidence, I submit my father:

Originally posted by Transmute Jun

Originally posted by lborgia88

Originally posted by Springie Check out those bushy eyebrows...he needs a good wax...LOL

Nooo! I like bushy eyebrows, on men at least.

So... are you saying that THIS is hot, then?

OMG!!!! I had to pick myself up off the floor from this one! You made my night, TJ. Shit, you made my whole week!!!!

Originally posted by Fairlight OMG!!!! I had to pick myself up off the floor from this one! You made my night, TJ. Shit, you made my whole week!!!!

So, you're saying that YOU find that guy attractive, then?

That's the funniest picture I've seen in a looooong time.

ITA... I think "Eyebrow man" will go down in history...

Hey, maybe we could get Carl Sagan in there too... His eyebrows aren't as bad, though.

My hero!! I love CS! I stood in line for an hour to get his book Cosmos. *The* master of astronomy!

Originally posted by clouddancer ] Is that a picture of the Condor when he is old? With the unruley hair and all.

I'd like to think that the Condor would look more like Jeremy Irons when he gets older (eyebrows and all)!

Hey, the COndor will never get old! I think he is the epitome of 'Live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse.'

Well, he will never get old in my AU either. Especially if he can live to be at least 250 years.