Well what do you think about time travel? Is it possible? What would happen if it could? So many questions about it, who knows the most though?

Hi damieon and forgive the lateness but welcome to the madhouse....ooops the group and thank god there's another Eagle about. As for your questions, that's a bit difficult, but here's the 2 different thearioes fro you. 1) What is called The Grandfather Paradox. You can't change time because if you for example go back in time and kill your granfather as a child, then he can't grow up and have a son, who will then grow up and have you, then you can't be born and grow up and go back in time to kill your grandfather, 2) I don't know the name, but I call it The Back To The Future Theory If you go back in time, for example and kill Hitler as a baby and go back to the future (Whether by TARDIS or a De Lorean, etc), then you will not only go forward in time but you will arrive in a parellel universe, where Hitler wouldn't have grown up. I personally like this theory. If you want more on the subject, then go to time travel .

Have to admit there are times it might be nice to go back in time and undo a decision made.

You know I just finished writing a ficcie on this very topic and the consequences of what could happen if it were truly possible... I used theories from different sources about time and the way it works...but then what is time anyway... it is recored measure by us really, the universe would tell you a different story...

I also remember a third theory of time travel. I don't know the name but basically if you go back in time, where you change something, time kinda finds a way to keep the orginal timeline and keeps on doing just that, when you keep going back changing time. The second theory I posted in my previous post reminds me of a scene in the Timecop film and TV series and also a short story from a book I read as a kid. In the book, there is a time travel safari, whose HQ was nice and clean, wherre a group of hunters would hunt dinosauers on a path, which they are told, they must stay on because if they step off and even tread on a blade of grass, then time would change in some way. I can't exactly remember what made one hunter step on the grass, but the outcome was, when they got back, time changed completely and the time travel HQ was dirty and run down and the president had changed from one person to another. I think the moral of the story FB, is if you have the chance to change time, then don't or else, the conquences could be a lot worse.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne I used theories from different sources about time and the way it works...but then what is time anyway... it is recored measure by us really, the universe would tell you a different story...

Ah, we are time travelling anyway as we travel from one time zone to another and I don't know about other countries, but in the British Isle, we are on GMT at the moment, but very soon we will move to BST. Can you imagine, if it's your birthday or Xmas, you celebrate it in one time zone and travel towards the west to another time zone and celebrate again and so forth. My god, can you imagine the hangover and celebrating that 40 birthday again and again, etc.

I look at timelines only as a measure for history but not how it actually works... Time has a natural flow to it really, but it much more dimensional...your current reality will always be no matter what time you end up in... We live our lives according to our present which is happening right now...time is passing but its not something we physically see so. The past is what influences the direction it will go in to create the future when see for ourselves...(the power of thought and vision) So IF we could travel through time to change the past we could only ever influence events like a drop in the water we will only know the tidal wave that it caused later on when it sweeps over us, but we can't see ahead in that time when that will happen...(the butterfly effect.) IE, what if Hitler did die just a year earlier than 1945??? The Nazi's were still in power...but what if someone who held a different vision took over...the war could have ended (Germany thrown into an internal power struggle much sooner) or it could have taken a different direction with fresh leadership that caused it to escalate and the allies to lose the entire war (a leader who was willing to push further than even Hitler...) After all you had three other potential powers (Italy and Russian, and Japan) that were just as much a threat as Germany... So our current world could be better than it is now...or much much worse... I may not be making any sense...Time to call in Arthur Dent..

Don't worry Ebony. If you did make sense, you wouldn't be here, hee, hee. As for that last line, I like it and it almost could start off a poem.

I'm nuts I know... What is the answer to life the universe and everything?...42! But what is the question...lets go and ask the mice..ROTFL!

But think about it, its only changed because of your memory of the event...if you went into a time and changed a simple thing without knowing that the person was a vital part in an event happening... Like you killed the person who was suppose to deliver an important letter to Churchill...he didn't get the letter so the battle went ahead...The allies lose a major battle that would have been won if the information reached him on time.... Churchill gets pushed out of government and the war is lost... You could have changed the future...and not even know that you did...

So many theories and so little time. Here's another question for you. If do have a time travel device of any kind (De Lorean being my favourite) and change 1 thing, come back and find it unsatisfactory, then you go back again to change another thing and so forth, would you go a bit loopy and what would the universe/s be like? Star Trek Voyager did just that in a 2 parter episodes Year of Hell part 1 and part 2. Also if you did travel back in time and change something, then would disappear and possibly reappear in that new timeline not knowing that you went back in time and changed it?

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne But think about it, its only changed because of your memory of the event...if you went into a time and changed a simple thing without knowing that the person was a vital part in an event happening... Like you killed the person who was suppose to deliver an important letter to Churchill...he didn't get the letter so the battle went ahead...The allies lose a major battle that would have been won if the information reached him on time.... Churchill gets pushed out of government and the war is lost... You could have changed the future...and not even know that you did...

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Originally posted by Metaliant I also remember a third theory of time travel. I don't know the name but basically if you go back in time, where you change something, time kinda finds a way to keep the orginal timeline and keeps on doing just that, when you keep going back changing time. The second theory I posted in my previous post reminds me of a scene in the Timecop film and TV series and also a short story from a book I read as a kid. In the book, there is a time travel safari, whose HQ was nice and clean, wherre a group of hunters would hunt dinosauers on a path, which they are told, they must stay on because if they step off and even tread on a blade of grass, then time would change in some way. I can't exactly remember what made one hunter step on the grass, but the outcome was, when they got back, time changed completely and the time travel HQ was dirty and run down and the president had changed from one person to another. I think the moral of the story FB, is if you have the chance to change time, then don't or else, the conquences could be a lot worse.

actually met I only want to go back a couple of months and say No to something instead of Yes because then I would not get walked all over by colleagues

You just never know with time travel. Even couple of months, something could happen, whether it's good or bad. I think that's why Sci-Fi writers, TV shows and films use them sometimes.

Wow...You guys just fried my brains...All I can say guys is.... I like thzsoup! Thzsoup is good...Do you like thzsoup?

Oh oh, someone's gone back in time and did something to change kimiko. Now where's that De Lorean.

Yes Met was that you???? My time machine is in for repairs at the moment...

Nope not me, though it could have been either of us from the future.

My future self told me to get on with it or I'll never get there...my past self is still dealing with issues...my present self is just confused by the two of them arguing all the time...

How familliar that sounds... ::Toneman looks in the mirror...::

So Tone...who's winning????

I've been having to think about this a lot as I work on my Faith of the Heart crossover between BotP and Enterprise. Enterprise has had several episodes dealing with time travel, which is what got me started. But here's the problem the Enterprise faces - will the very fact G-Force has come forward in time change everything?

Only if they act on what they experienced. I think they'd be smart enough to avoid that. But knowing that there would be a Federation of Planets (and peace with Spectra?) could encourage them in their fight. They know the result, and it gives them heart in the darker times that come. In one of the original series episodes, Spock says that Captain Christopher could use what he saw to manipulate key stocks and industries. That would only work if Christopher knew which ones to manipulate. He'd have to know that ABC Widgets would be important in the future (even if it was little more than a garage operation in his time), or that it would become Alpha Beta Gamma Doohickeys by the year 2130. Otherwise, he could change things by buying the wrong stocks or getting involved in the wrong industries. (Right now, time travel probably takes more energy than we can generate, even if we knew how to do it.)

I think it depends what G-Force does. ALthough frankly, with the Enterprise series (I presume you mean the Enterprise series, based on your title) they were always running off half-cocked and doing all kinds of things with the least provocation... comes of being the first ones to do anything and not having any regulations set up, I guess. So I think it would be extremely difficult for G-Force NOT to impact the future... unless somehow the future was reset and the Enterprise crew didn't know that they had ever met G-Force. OR, you could do a mirror universe. I really enjoyed the Enterprise Mirror Universe double-ep.

Becky, from what I've read of your story, what I remember of Enterprise (my weakest area of the Star Trek universe), and from other stories and movies that I've seen with time travel, it's far more likely for someone going to the past from the future to muck things up, than someone from the past going to the future and back; unless they were to do it intentionally. I'm just wondering if you are going to send them back through the wormhole or if the Enterprise is going to have to escort them back to Earth's solar system. I really wonder if Tiny is as good a pilot as Sulu: can he sling shot the phoenix around the sun for time warp?

Originally posted by amethyst from other stories and movies that I've seen with time travel, it's far more likely for someone going to the past from the future to muck things up, than someone from the past going to the future and back; unless they were to do it intentionally.

Generally, someone goes to the past to prepare others for an upcoming event for which they were not prepared or to change an event which could have gone better or even to answer some unanswered questions! That's from what I can recall seeing! One has to be most careful how to mess with the past though as a full chain of connected events could be altered affecting the whole present situation, even some things which have to remain unaltered! I can also recall seeing movies including persons going to the future, either intentionally or unintentionally, and when they return back to their present they amend things and events which would then give a more pleasant outcome for their lives and that of others! (an e.g. Meet the Robinsons - sorry but I'm more in children's movies lately!)

I would believe the Enterprise crew would have to be careful what they told G-Force about the ending of the war with Spectra, just incase they were able to return, for fear of changing the future, hence Enterprise's time.

Originally posted by Transmute Jun I think it depends what G-Force does. ALthough frankly, with the Enterprise series (I presume you mean the Enterprise series, based on your title) they were always running off half-cocked and doing all kinds of things with the least provocation... comes of being the first ones to do anything and not having any regulations set up, I guess. So I think it would be extremely difficult for G-Force NOT to impact the future... unless somehow the future was reset and the Enterprise crew didn't know that they had ever met G-Force. OR, you could do a mirror universe. I really enjoyed the Enterprise Mirror Universe double-ep.

Yes, Enterprise did have a lot of seat of the pants diplomacy. I always liked the way the characters interacted and that contributed to my idea for the crossover. I like the mirror episodes, too. The ending of the Enterprise one was interesting.

Originally posted by Becky Rock I like the mirror episodes, too. The ending of the Enterprise one was interesting.

The funny thing is, my favorite part was the introduction/theme song... and the way it was different.

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

Watching `Noein` taught me one thing; Babysitting a 12 year old version of yourself is not nice for both parties. Also Deloreans (Would you belive I was offered one once??) make lousy time machines since they only ever take you back to an uncool time. And water running off the gullwing doors will get you mucky. Why do you think so few cars have doors that open that way even though it looks cool on a dry day? Two time travel stories. `Nightwatch` by Mr Pratchett, (his best ever IMHO) in which he gets over the paradox problem in an ingenious way. `Legion of Time` by Jack wiliamson, One of the finest pulps ever written, in which he introduces the concept of the Jonbar Hinge. (look it up in wiki)

Originally posted by MrVampire Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

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