Some dimwit severly mucked up the upgrade process and I am trying to sort the problems out, my greatest fear is that the old forum archive may be lost because of their incompetance. Will keep you all posted but as of today Gatch is shut until I can spend some solid time on sorting things out. New Gatch is ok but only activity up to the 3rd May 2004 is avialable. More news later, I'll no doubt see some of you on KKK.