Whatever you want to call him I am after info on him for something I am currently writing. I am not trying to be entirely cannon but I do want to try to understand his character a little more. Can anyone help?

What specifically do you want to know, FB? Personally, I hate RI and that leaks over to Cronus for me. I think RI's a terrible father who has to beat up on his son to feel good about himself. Even when Ken was 4, he was drowning him in the lake. Ugh. SJ, OTOH, seems to like Cronus a lot and writes him nicely into her fics. Perhaps she could give you a more positive viewpoint (which, I suspect, is what you were looking for).

To be honest more Cronus than his Gatch incarnation. Just want to ensure I have the right feel for him before writing something in a fic. Cant be more specific otherwise I will give away whats coming

Well honestly, I've seen his character painted in different ways. In BOTP there isn't much disclosed about him, so I think you could go whichever way you want. The only consistency is the way he left his family and pretended to be dead to protect them while he worked undercover.

Ahhh Cronus - How I do love him muchly ... I'm trying to think of who he compares to, but really can't quite find anyone off hand. The comics did a good job of CC. He was less of a prick than RI, probably more like .... um ... Gosh so hard to explain when I'm on the tail-end of the worst hang over of my life ... If it can hang until tomorrow when I'm more lucid and able to type ... I'll give you something a little better to play with ... SJ

No problem SJ. I can probably find some poems to do. I am sure people at the clubhouse will wait for the next instalment.

Originally posted by Firebird people at the clubhouse will wait for the next instalment.

No! No we won't! Oh, wait... I guess we don't have any choice, do we? Darn.

I will wait if you promise us more poems.

Will try put another poem up and write some more on the fic that sound fair?

Originally posted by Firebird Will try put another poem up and write some more on the fic that sound fair?

I suppose.... sigh....

lol TJ you are incorrigable

Originally posted by Firebird lol TJ you are incorrigable

Not necessarily. It's more that I have a one track mind...

I thought you had a two track mind TJ Smut (of any kind) Eagle and Swan

Originally posted by Firebird I thought you had a two track mind TJ Smut (of any kind) Eagle and Swan

Well, that's all the same thing, now, isn't it? (Pssst.... don't forget Condor and Swan... also falls under smut)

Ahhh, the Red Impulse..... first time I saw them, at the end of ER, when Ken was undergoing canker treatment I thougght he was Santa It took me a while to figure out he was Ken's father, thanks for the fanfics

I can tell you heaps about Red Impulse, but I forget the relationship Cronus had with Mark...ahhh I have not seen BOTP in a while...

Ebony at this stage trust me anything will do. Ive gone through BOTP and they dont really portray much by way of a relationship that I can pick up on.

Well he left his family when Ken was four years old, he faked his death in a plane crash. Ken never really believed that he was dead though and has looked for his signs that his father was still alive. Character; He was a very militant man, who treated Ken like a soldier . So his relationship with Ken was not affectionate. He disaplined Ken like a he would a subordinate, not a as a loving father would a son. Though it did affect him at the time that he did it, I think he felt he needed to toughen Ken because his son was a fighter and Gatchaman. You know.."Wake up to yourself boy, go find her and stop mopping around here feeling sorry for yourself, get some balls and get back to work." kinda thing(not politically correct, but then Gatch was not a politically correct show...1971 before someone introduced that way of thinking.) Although Ken at times did lash out in a similar way with the team when it came to disapline, he tended to have more compassion than his father, and a more affectionate side to his personality,It is less likley that Ken would abandon his family like his father did. Although Red Impulse showed signs of loving his only child through his commitment to his mission, and sacrific of his own life. When it came down to it RI in ways had a lot of regret at leaving his wife and son to go on this mission, but to him it was his way of protecting them. Red Impulse was not alone but he was the leader of a squadron Masaki and Oniishi were his two other pilots that ran missions with him. Nothing was know about them personally, or their previous lives, they were a mystery. He ran his secret base from an island (It was planet Riga on BOTP)the team went on a training mission there. It was indicated that he may have lived for a time with his family in another country(I can't remember the name off hand), or they went on vacation there. Ken was familiar with the place on a mission and it was were his father found out about the Van Allen belt project that Galcator was working on. His father did a sucide run with the V-2 rocket. Anyway that is off the cuff and my interpretation, and I can get better info for you later if you want more...I have to go to bed now...

The country was Hontworl. The same country was used as the 'base' for Galactor in the OAVs. (Solaris impersonated their leader and withdrew from the UN, forming his own military alliance). Oniishi (I believe) was dumb, because Galactor had tortured him when he was younger and cut out his tongue. Oh yeah, you forgot RI's penchant for looking like Ricardo Montalban when off duty! Here's another tidbit... in BOTP there's a scene where Mark is at a grave and he says 'brother'... implying that he had a brother who died. They never follow up on this. Of course, it's actually Ken at RI's grave, but since in BOTP Cronus didn't die in the Van Allen Belt missile (he was able to eject in time), they couldn't use that. In BOTP Cronus died off camera, and Zoltar mocked Mark with it during an encounter late in the series. Mark was shocked to hear about it.

mmm I had thought of that after about Onishii, but then I was tired when I wrote that last night, and didn't have notes to refer to... I did forget the name of the country that he my have "lived" in as a child with his parents...I was going to look that up in an ep when I do my ficcie for the end of fighter...so much information to remember...I have more though about him...just ran out of time to type it up! I had thoughts on doing my own character profiles of all of them, and putting together info as I found it about then, names of places etc, just so I would have it on hand..Sigh! I remember Mark having a brother in BOTP... But it is fun to watch an EP just to find out about it! Ricardo Montalbant....Don't know him, that's why I didn't think of him...hehehehe

well I started moving that story on and next part is up, will see how it develops Thank you for the info.

FB I can't wait to see were you are going with the Information you are gathering... This is for your series right? Who wants to live forever!

You're taking an interesting approach with it, FB, and I think it will be very heartbreaking... not that your story isn't already heart-breaking...

Yes Ebony it is for that series. TJ it will all turn out ok I promise. (had to get rid of some angst hence the other short fic in the library)

I presumed it would turn out okay... after all, we know what happens to the kids... it's still sad though....

Yes FB, I too am waiting to see where you are going with this story. I love seeing someone elses ideas on how the everyone got to know each other. And some ideas on the early personalities of the characters we come to know.

I'm nosing through the archives, doing research for a fic, exploring the relationship between Mark and Cronus. We know Mark misses his father and has a bit of a love/hate (frenemy, anyone?) relationship with Cronus. What's less clear to me is how Cronus feels about Mark. Does he love him? Thanks --

I remember thinking, after re-watching things, that Cronus seems nicer to Mark than Red Impulse is to Ken. Cronus calls him things like "my friend" and doesn't insult the team as much as RI does (if I'm remembering correctly). IMO there's a lot of leeway on how you can play out that relationship. Cronus seems proud of Mark, but at the same time, he left Mark behind and kept his identity secret (far longer than necessary) while then forming a new family and having a new kid (a son?) on Riga. Or does he love Mark the most and that's why he's hiding Mark, as opposed to the new wife and kid, who he's having at risk by being openly family with them? Heh. They did a number of really inconsistent things with Cronus's and Mark's family. We learn of Cronus's death in the torture episode in a weird, after the fact kind of way. At one point Mark's at his "brother's" grave but it's the only time that brother is ever mentioned, and there's no knowing if that's a full or half brother. We don't know if Cronus's wife on Riga is in fact Mark's mother or a new woman. (Mark's mother is never mentioned.) So have fun picking your reality.

I agree with Chris' first view: Cronus doesn't have as much feeling for Mark, seeing as he went off and had another family, while refusing to acknowledge Mark. While Cronus certainly treats Mark far better than RI treats Ken (no 'beat my son bloody' moments) he's still a bit too cocky and arrogant for my tastes. However Cronus did pick up Mark, spin him in a circle and throw him across the room. As for the inconsistencies, they're there because of the order in which Sandy Frank received the Gatchaman episodes (i.e. completely out of order). SF had no idea of the overall storyline, and was just going with the flow of what they received. This led to some inconsistencies when early on they dealt with the 'Cronus but actually Zoltar' episode (where it was stated that the real Cronus had been killed by Spectra) and then long after that had to deal with the reappearance of Cronus, which they did in one case by pretending it wasn't Cronus (the planes belonged to another alien planet's defense force) and later by just 'forgetting' that Cronus was supposed to be dead. Then, when Cronus actually *should* have died, flying a rocket up into the atmosphere, Zark tells us that he ejected. In space. Riiiiight. Oh yeah, and let's not forget that episode where Red Rangers show up and they claim that one of them is Cronus... when visually, it's clearly not. Jason's site has some great information on all of this, but unfortunately I believe it's down at the moment. He hasn't been able to deal with the administration during his illness.

Jason's site has some great information on all of this, but unfortunately I believe it's down at the moment. He hasn't been able to deal with the administration during his illness.

That explains it! I actually went looking for the site to link to and couldn't find it. Hopefully he'll be feeling better soon (not just for the sake of his web site, of course).

Aw, I'm sorry to hear that Jason is still feeling rough. I hope he feels better soon.