Hi Everyone, Can anyone fill me in a bit on the villians in fighter, some of thier character traits etc. I'd love to watch it but well the fact I don't speek japanese could be a problem, just want to get a feel for a fic that's all. And any general info especially early days stuff Cheers

This may not be what you're after, but perhaps it will help. For the 2003 GatchaCon fanzine, I wrote an article on the Gallactor leaders for each series and the OAV. The article gave descriptions for the characters, what they could do, and in which episodes these references came from. Unfortunately, I lost my electronic version of the article in a hard drive crash not long after it was completed and sent off for the fanzine, so to retreive this, I have to retype it from a hard copy. I've only had time to do the first part of the Gatchaman Fighter section, covering Governor Z. If this is along the lines of what you're after, let me know, and I'll get the material on Egobossler, Marstora, Kempeler, and Mekandor retyped as well. It wouldn't be until next week, though, since I'm leaving town for the weekend in the morning, and won't have time to do more until I get back. Anyway, here's the start of things: Gatchaman Fighter Governor Z (Character Voice: Seizo Kato) When Governor X was destroyed through the efforts of the Science Ninja Team and Gel Sadra, a small fragment of him survived ("Gatchaman II" #52). Due to the unique nature of the "Mecha Brain," this surviving piece was able to function on its own as a separate individual. This fragment could fly and generate bursts of energy to fend off potential attackers. Taking machinery and raw materials from a shipyard, the fragment built itself a body shaped like a gigantic pyramid and named itself "Governor Z" (#1). With this new form, Governor Z became like a gigantic fortress, able to fly or teleport himself at will. He could also teleport people or objects into and out of his body. As the original fragment upon which Z was built came from a section of Governor X used to create mecha, Governor Z built within himself the ability to manufacture new Iron Beasts. The Iron Beasts he created required men to operate them, hence the reason why Governor Z allied himself with Count Egobossler: Governor Z supplied the Iron Beasts while Egobossler supplied the manpower to run them (#'s 1, 2). His body had many ways to defend itself against intruders, be it by manufacturing new Iron Beasts (#12) using wall-mounted or flying beam weapons (#'s 47, 4, even distorting reality (#4. His abilities extended to being able to bring the Gatcha Spartan to a dead stop while it was using the Hyper Shoot (#43). For all these powers, the fragment of Governor X that made up the core of Governor Z was physically quite fragile, and if it could be cut off from his immediate defenses, it became easy prey (#4. With his internal manufacturing abilities, Governor Z could repair damage done to his body almost instantly. This power was not limitless, however; Z could only manufacture new Iron Beasts and repair himself for as long as he had raw materials to work with. When he attempted to create an army of Iron Beasts, he needed a steady stream of resources transported into him in order to continue the manufacturing process (#12). These same manufacturing abilities were not limited to creating Iron Beasts or self-repair. Governor Z used his abilities to create Gallatown, a duplicate of Egobossler's castle and its surrounding city of Satanforhen in exact detail, hidden under the frozen wastes of Iberia (#15). When Gallatown was destroyed by the Science Ninja Team (#43), Z rebuilt it once again, this time hidden underground in a desert valley in Ameris (#44). While Governor Z was working to help Egobossler to conquer the world, Z was also using Egobossler to help further his own agenda; the destruction of the Earth. The first part of his plan began as a signal Z was sending into space. This "Cosmo Pulse" was detected by the I.S.O. and titled "AQ3" (#20). As the I.S.O. tried to research the Cosmo Pulse, Governor Z used Egobossler and his men to hinder their efforts (#'s 20, 26, 35). Z was finally forced to tell Egobossler what the Cosmo Pulse was being sent to: an asteroid of anti-matter that he was drawing toward Earth. Z explained that, while the asteroid would cause a great deal of damage to the Earth, Egobossler and his forces would be protected underground in Gallatown, and the Earth would be easy to take over afterwards. This was a lie, for the anti-matter asteroid would destroy the world (#35). Once the I.S.O. uncovered the truth about the Cosmo Pulse, they made efforts to stop the anti-matter asteroid from striking Earth, but were decoyed by a second, smaller anti-matter asteroid (#44). While dealing with the damage caused by fragments of the asteroid striking the Earth, the larger anti-matter asteroid was able to come within 30 hours of striking the Earth before it was detected. At this time, Egobossler finally realized what Governor Z was going to do (#46). While the Science Ninja Team made a valiant but futile effort to stop the approaching asteroid, Egobossler and his men were able to enter Governor 's body and attack him from within (#47). The damage he caused weakened Governor Z enough to allow the Science Ninja Team to board Governor Z and, at great cost, defeat the rest of his defenses so Ken could deliver a final fatal blow to the fragment that was Governor Z. With his death, the body Governor Z had created for himself exploded, and the anti-matter asteroid returned to deep space (#4.

Well, as things turned out, I had more time tonight than I thought I would, so here is the write-up for Egobossler: Egobossler (Character Voice: Koji Nakada) Count Egobossler was the 28-year-old leader of the Egobossler Family, a military dictatorship with dreams of conquering the world. Following the downfall of Gallactor, Egobossler decided it was time to launch his plans. Egobossler was an admirer of the earlier incarnations of Gallactor, to the point where he even displayed pictures of Berg Katse and Gel Sadra on his walls ("Gatchaman Fighter" Planning, #1). From Egobossler's castle located in Satanforhen (#6), Egobossler had amassed a large army. Egobossler's forces quickly advanced across the globe, making their largest inroads throughout the continent of Irope. The United Nations Forces were unable to halt the advance of the well-armed Egobossler Family, and as the Science Ninja Team prepared to engage these troops, their battle was interrupted by the appearance of Governor Z and one of his Iron Beasts. The Science Ninja Team was quickly overpowered by the Iron Beast, and Governor Z spoke directly with Egobossler. Z offered to make his Iron Beasts available for Egobossler to use in his plans to conquer the world if Egobossler supplied the manpower to run them. Egobossler accepted the bargain, and the Egobossler Family soon transformed into the third incarnation of Gallactor (#'s 1, 2). At first, Egobossler's army continued their advance across Irope in a drive toward North Agrica (#'s 3~13). It was in North Agrica that the tide finally turned against Egobossler's troops, that�fs to the introduction of Phaser Tanks to the U.N. arsenal (#13). These tanks had the firepower to destroy an Iron Beast single-handedly, and the U.N. Forces soon pushed the Gallactor troops back to Satanforhen, where the threat of Egobossler would have ended if not for Governor Z transporting him and his troops to the newly constructed Gallatown via underground trains (#'s 14, 15). From then on, Egobossler was forced to scale down his plans. While he did not abandon his hope to one day rule the world, Egobossler had to use his troops in more secretive attacks, much as Gallactor had done in its previous incarnations (#16 onward). Count Egobossler enjoyed many hobbies. His best known habit was his taste for wine (#'s 1, 4, 10, 22, 34, 42, among others), but he also enjoyed smoking cigars (#4), playing poker (#12), skeet shooting (#25), fencing (#37), listening to classical music on his victrola (#14), and the occasional party (#'s 4, 25). Egobossler was well versed in the use of firearms, both pistols and rifles (#'s 14, 25, 34, 42). Despite this, his weapon of choice was a sword, which he even used to defend himself against Ken, the Eagle (#'s 13, 34, 42). He was often seen wearing a special combat helmet that gave him the appearance of a smiling face (#'s 1, 14, 30, 39, among others). Egobossler carried with him a locket bearing the scorpion symbol of the Egobossler Family. Inside the locket was a picture of Egobossler's mother (#4. While not the expert in the art of disguise that Berg Katse was, Egobossler could carry off an impersonation if necessary, and managed to convince Director Nambu that he was scientist Daniel Syuear when Nambu visited the doctor (#34). Despite his prominent public image (#'s 4, 18, 25, among others), little was known about Egobossler's past. Even investigations by the Science Ninja team to uncover details about him proved fruitless (#'s 25, 27). Egobossler did his best to keep his past buried, for he knew that if the truth was revealed, it could lead to his downfall (#39). In fact, Egobossler was not the man he appeared to be; Kaseru Egobossler, the only son of Great Count Egobossler. His true name was Erun, and while his father was indeed Count Egobossler, his mother was not the Count's wife. His mother was Margot, one of the Count�fs maids. Margot was beaten to death by Count Egobossler when she protected Erun from the Count's punishment for injuring his legitimate son, Kaseru. As she was dying in Erun's arms, she revealed the truth about the identity of his father to him (#27). Not long after this, Erun appeared before his father and half-brother with his face covered in bandages. Erun shot and killed Count Egobossler, and was then attacked by Kaseru. Throwing a knife, Kaseru managed to slice the bandages off Erun's face. This revealed that Erun had had his face changed to look like Kaseru's, only with blue skin and white hair, along with a fresh cut on his left cheek from Kaseru's knife. Erun had Kaseru locked away in a remote castle upstream of the Ain River, to spend his days a prisoner while Erun took Kaseru's place as the ruler of the Egobossler Family. He didn't kill Kaseru only because his mother didn't want Erun to hurt his brother (#27). Egobossler showed that he would take any steps to maintain the secret of his birth, from killing an old friend (#25), to having family servants hunted down and killed (#27). All of Egobossler's efforts were eventually for naught. After berating Kempeler, one of his high-ranking officers, once too often for his failures against the Science Ninja Team, Kempeler used his position to uncover the truth. Freeing Kaseru Egobossler, Kempeler staged a coup, deposing Erun and replacing him with Kaseru, the rightful leader of the Egobossler Family. Erun would have been locked away as Kaseru had been if not for the intervention of Mekandor, another of Erun's officers. Kaseru's command of the Egobossler Family was short-lived, however, for he soon died in combat against Erun and Mekandor's forces (#39). With Kaseru gone, it wasn't long before Erun overcame Kempeler�fs forces and regained control of the Egobossler Family (#'s 40, 41, 43). Egobossler's greatest triumph came from his struggles against Director Nambu. Egobossler knew the threat that Nambu presented to his schemes, and decided that he needed to be eliminated. After several attempts to kill Nambu (#'s 34, 35, 36), Egobossler realized that Nambu had information that could be of value to him, and decided to capture and question him instead of killing him outright (#41). When Egobossler finally captured Nambu (#41), he tried various means to breaking the will power of his prisoner to get him to reveal his secrets, none of which worked. Just when Nambu appeared on the verge of being rescued by the Science Ninja Team, Egobossler shot Nambu, fatally wounding him (#42). Not content with this victory, Egobossler even disrupted Director Nambu's funeral service and desecrated his grave with an explosive planted on it (#43). Initially the relationship between Governor Z and Egobossler was quite amicable, and Egobossler would not have escaped the invasion of Satanforhen if it weren't for Z's timely intervention (#15). But when Z began using Gallactor forces to destroy I.S.O. research facilities and observatories (#'s 20, 26, 32), and to kidnap scientists involved with research into the Cosmo Pulse (#31), all without solid explanations as to why (#31), Egobossler grew suspicious about what Z was trying to hide (#'s 26, 32). So, Egobossler began his own research into what the secret was (#34). When Governor Z discovered this, he told Egobossler enough of the truth behind the anti-matter asteroid to fool him into believing that Z was working toward the goal of world domination (#35). Egobossler finally realized the truth when the second anti-matter asteroid was discovered. By this point, Z felt nothing could stop him, and admitted the truth to Egobossler (#46). As Egobossler wanted to rule the world, not destroy it, he decided to stand against his former ally. Egobossler convinced Z that he wished to survive long enough to watch the end of the world so that Z would allow Egobossler and a few of his men inside of Z himself. Once inside, Egobossler and his forces attacked Z. While they were able to destroy Governor Z's power generator, weakening him, they were soon overcome by Z's defenses (#47). As his forces were whittled down around him, Egobossler made his way to the fragment that was the core of Governor Z. Within sight of that goal, Egobossler made a final attempt to strike down Z, but his foe took control of Egobossler's own sword and ran him through with it. As Egobossler died, his thought were of his troops during happier times, cheering him on (#4.

And the rest of the villains: Marstora (Character Voice: Osamu Ichikawa) Marstora returned to Earth to participate in the Gamma Plan. Under this plan, Egobossler would draw the Science Ninja Team to Polymia Island while Marstora would take control of the space station Lemuria 7 and destroy the undefended New Jork City with missiles from space. Egobossler did not like being used as a decoy, but was commanded to do so by Governor Z (#22). Despite the failure of the Gamma Plan, Marstora remained on Earth. He felt that Egobossler was "an eyesore," "arrogant," and that his loyalty to Governor Z was doubtful. Marstora hoped to convince Z to allow him to take command of Gallactor. Governor Z decided to allow the two men to compete to see who was the better man for the position (#23). Marstora made several attempts to impress Governor Z, including a mission to destroy a Mantle Energy Factory (#29) and using a lifeform brought from Mars to attack the population through New Jork City's water system (#30). The failure of these plans was a source of frustration for Marstora and great dissatisfaction for Governor Z (#30). Following the battle with the alien lifeform, the Science Ninja Team managed to catch up with and attack Marstora's ship. Though Marstora called Gallatown for reinforcements, Egobossler refused to send any assistance to his rival. Marstora died shortly afterwards when his badly damaged craft exploded (#30). When Marstora initially returned to Earth, he came in a larger spaceship than had been seen before (#22), be he continued to favor his previous smaller, saucer-shaped ship during his stay (#'s 22, 30). It was in this craft that he perished (#30). Kempeler (Character Voice: Kenichi Ogata) The 35-year-old Captain of Egobossler's bodyguards and his Intelligence Officer. He was said to be a heartlessly cruel man with no compunction about killing ("Gatchaman Fighter" planning). Being in charge of intelligence gathering, Gallactor's spies worked through him, including the espionage work of the Rider Commandos (#39). His duties often took him into the field, at times escorting Count Egobossler (#'s 4, 9, 24, 34, among others), and other times in charge of an operation (#'s 3, 10, 26, 38, among others). Kempeler carried a sword as part of his uniform, but he preferred to use his pistol instead (#'s 10, 34). Kempeler also had a radio hidden in the upper left breast button of his uniform (#19). Kempeler proved himself adept at disguises when he managed to sneak past U.N. security forces protecting Cowbella City while disguised as an ordinary villager coming into town for a festival (#26). Not that he always needed a disguise; his skill in infiltration was so good that he was able to sneak into a building directly across the street from I.S.O. Headquarters in his full military regalia without being noticed (#10). A series of failed attempts to see Director Nambu assassinated, as well as nearly revealing the location of Gallatown to the Science Ninja team, led to a rapid decline in Egobossler's favor for Kempeler (#'s 34, 35, 36, 3. Angered by the actions of his superior, Kempeler had the Rider Commandos investigate what Egobossler was hiding in the castle on the Ain River. They returned with Kaseru Egobossler, the rightful ruler of the Egobossler Family. With Kaseru on his side, Kempeler had Erun Egobossler removed from power. When Kaseru was killed in combat, Kempeler seized power for himself. This soon led to a struggle for power between Kempeler and his former commander, but Kempeler was quickly outmatched by the tactical skills of Egobossler (#'s 40, 41). It wasn�ft long before Egobossler deposed Kempeler and had him put before a firing squad and executed (#43). Mekandor (Character Voice: Yoshito Miyamura) The 38-year-old Commander of Egobossler�fs Armored Division, he had command over the various branches of Egobossler's military. He was said to be a man who "enjoys destruction" ("Gatchaman Fighter" planning). More often than not, if Mekandor was involved in an operation, he could be found out in front, leading his forces (#'s 13, 19, 24, 37, among others). Mekandor carried both a pistol and a sword, be he was more likely to eschew the former for the latter, and was even willing to test his swordsmanship against that of ken, the Eagle (#'s 9, 34, 45). One thing was certain about Mekandor; his loyalty toward Egobossler. When Kempeler forced Egobossler from power, it was Mekandor who freed him and stood by Egobossler through the struggle to regain control of Gallactor (#'s 39, 40, 41, 43). Mekandor was by Egobossler's side when he led his assault on Governor Z to save the Earth. When Governor Z attempted to kill Egobossler with an energy weapon, Mekandor willingly sacrificed his own life to save that of his leader (#'s 47, 4.

Fascinating stuff Thank you very much for retyping it. I've got Gatch F on video, but without the ability to speak japanese, this will help it make a bit more sense.

WOW!!! you know your stuff, that's great info, I'll have to take my time reading through it, I would love to get G2 & GF on DVD, let's hope with them making the new movie they will decide to release it the same as they have done with the first series (Which I have watch all of them). Thanks for going to the effort!!!

I hearby declare tatsunokofan our "Gatch Guru" in recognition for the continued contributions of Gatch knowledge from around the globe he has been posting here for all our users to share. Well done tatsunokofan

Here here!

Wow... thanks for posting this! If/when you have time, I would be interested in your analysis of Gatch II villains as well!

Originally posted by Cep I hearby declare tatsunokofan our "Gatch Guru" in recognition for the continued contributions of Gatch knowledge from around the globe he has been posting here for all our users to share. Well done tatsunokofan

You bet!!!! Keep it coming mate!!! went do the Japanese leasons start so can all watch G2 and fighter LOL! I think I'll need to hire a translator to sit in the lounge room and do the dialoge....wouldn't that be funny

Originally posted by Cep I hearby declare tatsunokofan our "Gatch Guru" in recognition for the continued contributions of Gatch knowledge from around the globe he has been posting here for all our users to share. Well done tatsunokofan

Having secretly admired Tatsunoko's contributions for a while now, Im glad Cep has shown the appreciation I think we have all felt with such a worthy, well deserved and long overdue Title! Kudos and Thankyou for such a comprehensive description of the Gatch F villiains. !!

Originally posted by tatsunokofan [FONT=arial]This may not be what you're after, but perhaps it will help. For the 2003 GatchaCon fanzine, I wrote an article on the Gallactor leaders for each series and the OAV. The article gave descriptions for the characters, what they could do, and in which episodes these references came from. Unfortunately, I lost my electronic version of the article in a hard drive crash not long after it was completed and sent off for the fanzine, so to retreive this, I have to retype it from a hard copy. I've only had time to do the first part of the Gatchaman Fighter section, covering Governor Z. If this is along the lines of what you're after, let me know, and I'll get the material on Egobossler, Marstora, Kempeler, and Mekandor retyped as well. It wouldn't be until next week, though, since I'm leaving town for the weekend in the morning, and won't have time to do more until I get back. Anyway, here's the start of things: Gatchaman Fighter Go t ato.[/FONT]

Egobossler sounds interesting, what was the gatchaman base like in this series???Did they build another underwater base???What I'm writting won't be to canon but I still want some elements there. Keep it coming mate

Hello all. I've been searching information about Egobossler on net from a while and I'm happy I've finally found it.(28 years..... didn't knew he was so young........) Thank you Tatsunokofan!!

ohhh that's interesting.....you sometimes want to write more to cannon if your making them older but it's hard when all you can go by is descriptions but the info here is good..... Egobossler got any idea what his personality is like??? Katse like or shrewder????

I don't know if you can get more shrewder than Katze, but Egobossler managed to conquer a lot of territories with his own armies & resources only. Although had no problems with killing people, nor remorses after, he seem to have a soft spot for his mother I think that behind his cruel and arrogant facade he's a momma's boy.

oohhh so he's a spoilt little boy who likes his own way huh..... I need to put a bad guy in the fic and for the readers sake I like to al least get the personality right! May not get the rest to canon....but still artistic License is wonderful!!!

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne oohhh so he's a spoilt little boy who likes his own way huh.....

Soo? Spank him! Anyway, there's Gatchaman for that.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne I need to put a bad guy in the fic and for the readers sake I like to al least get the personality right! May not get the rest to canon....but still artistic License is wonderful!!!

If I get this right, you'll put him into a fanfic.... Oh please, do it! There are so little fanfics about him. And he's a great villain. Besides, you can never get enough Ego

O.K I'll do it I hope I get him right...yeah Gatchaman can spank him.... or is that the swans job???? Bet he would prefer the swan! It's for a condor story....and I like to write Eagle but this one I couldn't resist!

Awwww, give more details, pleaaaaaseeee...........

I have been thinking more about it... (It's called secret lives I have the plot all worked out and it spans all wars, I have started to post it on fanfic.com site) I will post the finished version here to.....Anyway I thought i should have a character that was relevent to the 3rd war and I have heard some things about Ego so I will use his character.... I'm doing from the outbreak of the war so he won't really be known to the team then so it may work... he won't be popular with the condor that's for sure.......

I'd love to see some interaction between Ego and the team, other than the sword duels with Ken, of course. #goes to fanfic.com to read the fanfic#

Hey Amyltrer NEWS FLASH! Did you write that fic called CUTE BOY! I liked that one and the letter for Dr Nambu offering the ISO cells for accomodation.... I was just surfing and saw your name on those have I got the right person???? Great humour in those stories! excuse my ignorance but who is the blue boy?????

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne Hey Amyltrer NEWS FLASH! Did you write that fic called CUTE BOY! I liked that one and the letter for Dr Nambu offering the ISO cells for accomodation.... I was just surfing and saw your name on those have I got the right person????

Yup, that's me. I'm an Ego maniac, so If I couldn't find any fanfic about him, I wrote some on myself.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne Great humour in those stories! excuse my ignorance but who is the blue boy?????

Hehe, he and Ken have more in common tham just a rotten daddy. So,..... have a guess.

So I have an expert here huh.... fill me in on what you know. I think I will be doing stuff from ep1 to aprox ep6.. .Do they have as many bases it fighter??? Does Ego like to leave in the Katse did??? (hint Joe's new love has a confrontation with him)

I just read your post again.....are you suggesting that my Eagle is gay!...... blasphemy I say!!!!!!(So he's a little thick...and ignorent of women) some of my gay friends say it's sign that a guys straight....go figure!!! Liked the story anyway kinda cheeky

As you are a Swannie , I understand your frustrations . Don't worry, I'm not planning an Ego/eagle yaoi. Although I'd like if there would have been an episode in Fighter where Ken and Ego were stranded on an isolated insland. That was more a diverting fanfic, intended to make the reader to say "Who's the blue boy?" as you did.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne So I have an expert here huh.... fill me in on what you know. I think I will be doing stuff from ep1 to aprox ep6.. .Do they have as many bases it fighter??? Does Ego like to leave in the Katse did??? :

I'm far from being an expert in Fighter. As a matter of fact, I haven't even seen the series. My knowledge is gathered from digging info on the internet. Well, Gallactor must have had lots of bases ( only from counting the ones Gatchateam blew up). Unlike Katze's ones Ego preffered the medieval style, so his quarters often looked like impressive castles. But they had high-tech weapons and defensess, as it was Z the one who buid them.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne (hint Joe's new love has a confrontation with him)

Hm, either this is a Joe/Jun fanfic, or you'll make up a new character or give a major part to an episodic one (usually the decoy girls that fall for Condor). Anyway, I can't wait to read it!

I hearby declare tatsunokofan our "Gatch Guru" in recognition for the continued contributions of Gatch knowledge from around the globe he has been posting here for all our users to share.

Gosh, thank you! I really don't know what to say. What a pleasant thing to come home to! I shall do my best to be worthy of such a lofty title. James

If/when you have time, I would be interested in your analysis of Gatch II villains as well!

I'll try to get that done and posted sometime this week. I figured I'd post it in the Gatchaman II section of this site, but I just noticed that there isn't one. There's one for the first series, the third series, and the OAVs. I can understand not having sections for the movie or the radio version, but leaving out the second series seems a little unfair. James

Egobossler sounds interesting, what was the gatchaman base like in this series???Did they build another underwater base???What I'm writting won't be to canon but I still want some elements there. Keep it coming mate

In Gatchaman Fighter, the Gatchaman base was actually named "Gatchaman Base." Unlike Crescent Coral Reef or G-Town, it was not an undersea base. Instead, it was a non-moving structure built inside a hollowed out cliffside. The side of the cliff opened to allow the G-Mecha to launch from it, but was otherwise left closed to help keep the location of Gatchaman Base a secret. In Gatchaman Fighter #41, Gallactor finally managed to discover where Gatchaman Base was, and launched an attack on it that destroyed the base. The same attack also allowed Egobossler to capture Director Nambu, leading to his death in episode #42. By the way, as far as anything we ever saw on screen goes, G-Town is still intact. It was not destroyed in Gatchaman II, and it is ignored in Gatchaman Fighter. Why the Science Ninja Team doesn't return there after Gatchaman Base is destroyed is never said. James

fill me in on what you know. I think I will be doing stuff from ep1 to aprox ep6.. Do they have as many bases it fighter??? Does Ego like to leave in the Katse did???

At that point in the series, Gallactor didn't have bases so much as territory. Gallactor may have had some strongholds that they established in their occupied regions, but quite often they simply made use of the existing structures, be it a remote village (#3), or a castle (#4). The easiest way to think of this is to look at Gallactor's invasion of Irope as being like Nazi Germany's invasion of Europe. Honestly, the European Theater of WWII is pretty much the framework Tatsunoko used for the war that took place during the first 15 episodes of Gatchaman Fighter. After Gallactor was forced to flee from Satanforhen to Gallatown, they still didn't create many bases. Instead, they simply used a network of underground railroads to move from Gallatown to locations around the world they wished to attack. Egobossler did not flee like Katse or Gel Sadra did, leaving their men to die while they escaped. Egobossler actually cared about the well being of his troops. While he was certainly willing to make a hasty exit when things went sour, he often (Though not always) did so with many of his troops. Also, there were a number of times when Egobossler himself was not directly involved in the operations. In these instances, Mekandor or Kempeler led the troops. I hope this helps! James

Yeah it does...I'll have to use some free play a bit here with the story but It still should read o.k for the times. I'll use Ego but he may or may not have a sword play with Ego in one part of it...well not a full focus anyway... I think I should have the "base" set in a castle then by the sounds of it. I can picture the Nazi movement good base outlook. I'm trying to work out Gatchaman's base at this time...did they move into the mountains or something or did the go underwater again??? I think I'll just use the original god pheniox much easier to work with. Cheers Ebony

I'm trying to work out Gatchaman's base at this time...did they move into the mountains or something or did the go underwater again??? I think I'll just use the original god pheniox much easier to work with.

The Ninja Team pretty much moved into Gatchaman Base as of the second episode of Gatchaman Fighter, and almost all mention of the Ninja Team having lives outside of their duties was eliminated. As it was, the only appearance the Snack Jun made in the series was one scene in the first episode. Gatchaman Base was immobile and hidden inside the cliffside. They did not have an undersea base again in the series, as G-Town is never mentioned. The original God Phoenix never made an appearance in Gatchaman Fighter, though it did appear in one episode of Gatchaman II. Despite the fact that it was by far the best looking of their main ships, it was supposed to be less powerful than either the New God Phoenix or the Gatcha Spartan. James

There used to be a Gatchaman 2 section. I think it got lost during one of the forum revamps. Cep, can you add it again please?

wow didnt spot that meself, will have a look see where its got to and let you all know. On another note hello amyltrer

Thank you for the greeting, Cep. It's good to meet people who share your interests.

I'm not going for complete accuracy just an idea really...but great information you guys have!!! Thanks I'll give them a private life more fun that way... Ebonyswanne

I've been lucky enough to chat a bit with Amy in other places, and I'm glad to see her here! Welcome, Amy! You'll have a lot of fun, here!

Oh, I've been lurking for a while, but now that Tatsunokofan was so kind to gave that wonderful info about Ego, I'll stick around. I hope it will make the other fanfic writers to add Ego in their work.

Hey Amylter, I'm writing up a character profile of Count Ego you got me facinated about him..... a challenge! He's defiantly in the fic as more than just a sword duel with Ken... I'll post the profile in here when it's done it's more of an extact but I'm hope you'll enjoy it! I think I will surf around for some pics as guides as well.. Amylter are doing any more on him??

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne Hey Amylter, I'm writing up a character profile of Count Ego you got me facinated about him..... a challenge! He's defiantly in the fic as more than just a sword duel with Ken... I'll post the profile in here when it's done it's more of an extact but I'm hope you'll enjoy it! I think I will surf around for some pics as guides as well.. Amylter are doing any more on him??

It's good to hear that, Ebony. As for me, I love everything that has to do with him. Curently I'm working on the second chapter of "shattered goals", which is posted on Fanfiction.net, and I have some in mind, but my English needs great improvements for them There's a good site with Gatch F shots, althought thei're just small thumbnails (Transmute Jun gave me the link and I hope she won't mind sharing it) http://reboekah.peregrine-intl.com/GatchEp/tnIndex.html?serId=KNTGF&epNbr=25&pgNbr=1

Amytler; English is my only language and I still haven't perfected it...so we will forgive each other how does that sound..I started to write Fics to improve on it.... gramma ahhhh Well I thought I would see if an attachment from word would work. If not cut and paste! Its part of a fic that I'm in the middle of writing but I though you might like the read and it fits here.

Count Egobossler He stood with his hands behind his back in a stance noted to powerful military leaders in history, watching the activity in the front circular driveway bellow. His eyes taking in intently everything that was happening down there from the library window of the ancient ocean cliff side mansion he had recently acquired for Galactor. Victories is what the new leader required of him in his conquest of Earth and victories is what will make Count Egobosslers dreams become reality. World leader the Earth, all bowing before him. Some would say that he was a mad man but he differs to that notion, what was sanity anyway? Something some physiologist came up with to justify ones actions and take away responsibility. Some would say that witnessing the brutal death of his beloved mother and his revenge that followed would be the triggers for his later actions, but he would only smile at that analysis. He had studied great leaders and the ones he admired most were considered insane to one degree or another. Stalin, Hitler, just no one appreciated their brilliance. Their only flaw was that they failed. He had studied the characters of his predecessors to Galactor. Katse, too careless with his men, in the end they had no loyalty to him, Gel Sadra a mere child really prone to emotional tantrums with no discipline, not cunning enough and failed too. He would not. Some shied away in fright when they saw him and others tried to hide it. But he knew what they were thinking and it served his purpose. His blue skin and light grey eyes, the whites of them making his eyes even paler would make you think he was a walking corpse. A cross between Dracula and a zombie or both in the one man. His high collared red cape and dark coloured formal clothing and long boots added to the illusion. His radical move, as some would call it to change his appearance was his commitment to his goals to become a world leader, and his ambition had no boundaries. There were people who stood in his way, they white shadows five that became one. But he would take care of them. He had spent years learning martial arts from master Japanese Senseis, and the arts of the Samari warriors of Japan. Those that refused to teach him often met their death when he returned to challenge them. One thing he learned of the ancient Samari culture. Never leave an enemy at your back. Eliminate any potential threat from the, family left behind. There was one enemy from the first war that he had encountered briefly, and the encounter had almost ended his life. Red Impulse squadron. He had decided he would kill them himself, as soon as he could hunt them down. This was personal for the Count. But they has died before he could do the job himself and even though it was Galactor that had been the cause of their death he still felt dissatisfied with the denial of running a sword through them himself. Their kin would pay the price for them and he had vowed to hunt down any survivors. Leave no enemy at your back to come later for revenge. His cold, cold grey eyes were now following a vehicle that was pulling up at the stairs and a small smirk appeared on his face just showing the white of his teeth as he watched his men drag out the semi conscious prisoner from the car and try to make her walk up the stairs. He didnt always like to kill his enemy straight away; there would be plenty of time for that soon& He walked over and picked up his brandy glass and swirled the aged Hermitage Cabernet sauvignon red wine and closed his eyes to listen to the Opera playing loudly in the background. He would have his revenge&&..

The forums don't support word docs as attachments. But if you saved it as a txt file, you'd be able to attach it then.

So I just found out! Won't try that one again....

Ebony, your fic is wonderfull. I love it. And I don't agree with the ones who say Ego is hideous. NOOO! He's so handsome...... You've portraited him very realisticaly. His training in martial arts is a cannon or just made up by you? I don't remember him displaing such skills although he was a fencer good enough to duel with Ken. So he's on the list of those who hate Red Impulse too, huh? Would you show their first encounter? What they've done to him? I suppose they dropped a bomb on his castle. Who's the prisonier. It's a she ,Jun perharps... Write more soon, curiosity kills me.

Well no not really to canon just my interpetation of the character and what kind of background he would have had to be selected by leader Z to lead Galactor against Gatchaman. To explore the depth of a character....you have to leave something to the imagination as to what really goes on in a persons mind....I have studied Stalin and Hitler, neither thought they were insane, so why should Egobossler....food for thought that's all... I felt he would have been ambitious and driven to meet leaderZ needs. You don't pick someone who doesn't have drive to lead an army... The prisoner......mmmm read and find out...Just taking a break from typing at the moment....

Did you post this fic on the forum? Could you please gave me the link?

Yeah it's in the fanfic where you post yours"Secret lives" Thats from a part I have not posted yet... just thought you might like the character development.... he comes into the next chapter that I will post.He just fits soooo perfect to the villian I wanted for it thanks mate!

Oh, Madeleine then? From what I've read in your fanfic, she seems to have dealt with Gallactor. She's the one who talks to dr. Rafael? Is she a former Devil Star? Is there a prequel, or you will explain later how they got together? Ahh, so many questions.....

Read the other one Friend and lovers she in that one...There is a lot more to the story...can't wait to see where your going with shattered dreams!

Originally posted by meridianday The forums don't support word docs as attachments. But if you saved it as a txt file, you'd be able to attach it then.

Just thought I would add that this is because I have set a restriction on file types. As the .doc extension can carry hidden macro code I have taken the precaution of not allowing them to be directly attachable to avoid virus threats to users. However .doc's contained in a .zip file are safer because almost all virus checkers and compression programs scan their contents before extraction or execution as opposed to word processors which will just launch them.

Ooh, Amy I think you're right about Madeline. What a great twist! Ebony, I think you've done a great job getting into Ego's head. Kudos to you! It's something I've been afraid of writing myself, but you have done terrifically! I'm really looking forward to the rest of the Secret Lives fic!

Thanks guys I was wondering id I could get the complex nature of a man like that across and how he thinks.... Its not easy to write canon when you only have snips bit and pieces of fighter to go from. When does the online gatchaman Japanese classes start LOL. Whats the fun in being totally to canon anyway. To be totally canon is to re write an episode basically and not add anyone to it...naaaa not my style at least.... P.S A guy came into work the other day and I almost did a double take, he looked soooo much like Ken, same hair,stance. I think he may have been part Japanese. Had to try not to stare! P.S thanks Cep I forgot about the Zip thing with word docs.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne A guy came into work the other day and I almost did a double take, he looked soooo much like Ken, same hair,stance. I think he may have been part Japanese. Had to try not to stare!

I hear you! I had a car pull up next to me a few weeks ago that looked *just* like the de-transmuted G2 from the OAVs... it was even a convertible! Of course, the top was up, so I didn't get a good look at the driver. Do you think it was Condor Joe?

They are getting around some where....mayby on holidays from Utoland hehehe I have not seen the OAV's, they may not have shown them here or else I missed it when they did...bugger

You can still buy the OAV DVDs... I'm not sure if they're available in your region format, though. Also, you can download the first episode of the OAVs (including Joe's famous shower scene) for free here: http://harmonygold.com/gatchaman/ You can also watch the trailer here: http://www.robotech.com/gallery/mmitem.php?id=310 And if you haven't seen it, the Gatchaman 94 Music Video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVS4hv41yOc

Don't like the OVA's animation. Much too flat and emotionless. And they look all punk. Including Nambu in that pink coat. Thank god Ego didn't appear in that series. They might have made him pink with stripes.

There was a shower scene with Joe...alone???? Ohhh tranmute Jun I read while you were sleeping....fantastic written Fic!!!! Amy I'm interpreting him as someone who has exrteme mood swings... I hope you like how I portray him, he gets introduced in the next chapter..... You are a gem for helping me find the right baddy for the fic! I like to put some depth to a villian...

Originally posted by amyltrer Ebony, your fic is wonderfull. I love it. And I don't agree with the ones who say Ego is hideous. NOOO! He's so handsome...... You've portraited him very realisticaly. His training in martial arts is a cannon or just made up by you? I don't remember him displaing such skills although he was a fencer good enough to duel with Ken. So he's on the list of those who hate Red Impulse too, huh? Would you show their first encounter? What they've done to him? I suppose they dropped a bomb on his castle. Who's the prisonier. It's a she ,Jun perharps... Write more soon, curiosity kills me.

I was thinking about what you said about him not being that good.fencing is a skill that is not easy to master, He would have been Killed by Gatchaman too easy if he could not fight at all. He would have had to learn from some where, and have good enough skill to survive several duels against him. That's my thinking anyway, I like to add things like that to build up a character.It's not Jun...

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne There was a shower scene with Joe...alone???? Amy I'm interpreting him as someone who has exrteme mood swings... I hope you like how I portray him, he gets introduced in the next chapter..... You are a gem for helping me find the right baddy for the fic! I like to put some depth to a villian...

Yup. You can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ6KGSUZhZA As for Ego, yes, he is indeed someone very moody. I saw the Eagle Riders version, and even there I could see that the way he acted was somewhat forced, it wasn't his natural way. He was a complex nature, and there were in Fighter moments when he seem to yearn for affection (ep.4) It would be wonderful to add him a human side, apart from the ruthless and cruel one. You've portraited him wonderful as a conqueror. And I particulary like your writing style. It shows very well the character's emotions I'm eager to read your next chapter.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne

Originally posted by amyltrer Ebony, your fic is wonderfull. I love it. And I don't agree with the ones who say Ego is hideous. NOOO! He's so handsome...... You've portraited him very realisticaly. His training in martial arts is a cannon or just made up by you? I don't remember him displaing such skills although he was a fencer good enough to duel with Ken. So he's on the list of those who hate Red Impulse too, huh? Would you show their first encounter? What they've done to him? I suppose they dropped a bomb on his castle. Who's the prisonier. It's a she ,Jun perharps... Write more soon, curiosity kills me.

I was thinking about what you said about him not being that good.fencing is a skill that is not easy to master, He would have been Killed by Gatchaman too easy if he could not fight at all. He would have had to learn from some where, and have good enough skill to survive several duels against him. That's my thinking anyway, I like to add things like that to build up a character.It's not Jun...

I meant he wasn't good at martial arts. Or at least he didn't show it. Fencing is different. Then again Ken didn't seem a very skilled swordsman. I think he got his skills from the time he worked as his step-brother's bodyguard. He is shown practing in ep 37. But he was, indeed, a master at fencing and a good marksman too (well, many of the targets were at point blank, so would have been hard to miss). And he didn't played fair either. He also seem to to be good at aerobatics, he leapt over Ken's head on one of their duels and ran towards the escape mecha. Good thing adding new characters. It makes the fic more interesting.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne There was a shower scene with Joe...alone????

Oh, yes... you MUST watch.... And I'm glad you liked While You Were Sleeping. The title sure is cumbersome though.I often refer to it as the 'Coma fic', which was its working title.

I wish there was a scene in Fighter with Ego in the shower

Originally posted by amyltrer I wish there was a scene in Fighter with Ego in the shower

Sounds like you need to get drawing, Amy!

If I'd just have the talent

Originally posted by Transmute Jun And I'm glad you liked While You Were Sleeping. The title sure is cumbersome though.I often refer to it as the 'Coma fic', which was its working title.

Where is it? I didn't find it on fanfiction.net.

wow didnt spot that meself, will have a look see where its got to and let you all know.

Any news on the missing Gatchaman II section of the site? I have the requested section on the Gatchaman II villains retyped, but figure that's the best place to post it, if it should return. James

Originally posted by amyltrer

Originally posted by Transmute Jun And I'm glad you liked While You Were Sleeping. The title sure is cumbersome though.I often refer to it as the 'Coma fic', which was its working title.

Where is it? I didn't find it on fanfiction.net.

You can find it in the Fic Library here on Gatchamania, or here: http://gatchfanfic.com/efiction/viewstory.php?sid=36 You probably didn't find it on ff.net because it's in the BOTP section, not the Gatch section.

Thanks for the link Jun. I read it, and it's great. Is that the end of Sosai?

I was thinking about what you said about him not being that good.fencing is a skill that is not easy to master, He would have been Killed by Gatchaman too easy if he could not fight at all. He would have had to learn from some where, and have good enough skill to survive several duels against him. That's my thinking anyway, I like to add things like that to build up a character.It's not Jun... [/quote] I meant he wasn't good at martial arts. Or at least he didn't show it. Fencing is different. Then again Ken didn't seem a very skilled swordsman. I think he got his skills from the time he worked as his step-brother's bodyguard. He is shown practing in ep 37. But he was, indeed, a master at fencing and a good marksman too (well, many of the targets were at point blank, so would have been hard to miss). And he didn't played fair either. He also seem to to be good at aerobatics, he leapt over Ken's head on one of their duels and ran towards the escape mecha. Good thing adding new characters. It makes the fic more interesting.[/quote] I read books on Hitler and Stalin so I based my theory of the way he would think from them. His (Ego) actions are in some ways similar to them, he likes red wine and opera, appreciates architecture and can hold a grudge over the Simplest things....(Hitler hated Jews simply because they were rich and he wasn't jealousy is a curse but his men were loyal to him, Stalin had great ideas for Russian but was ruthless in implementing them and didn't let potential threats escape him) Things like that I based my ideas from. I suppose when you started to hightlight him I saw the potential for a great character. Is that how you see him?? I here by crown you Amylter"Ego's greatest fan"

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne I here by crown you Amylter"Ego's greatest fan"

I'm so happy now. Maybe he'll give me Kempler's old job

You can live in hope!!! How's shattered dreams going??? Where are you located Amy??Country, planet etc)

Pretty slow, because of my poor English But I hope the next chapter will be ready in two weeks. hint: It's focused on Ken mainly I wish I were in Satanforhen Castle, with a Jack Daniel's next to Ego's chair. I'm from Europe anyway, precisely from Romania. It was on his conquests list.

ohhhh really Romania. Are you still there??? or living in another country? I'm Australian.... still learning gramma hehehe will get it right one day! Posted the Ego intro Chapter hope you like it. Cheers

My inlaws are Romanian. They grew up 50 miles apart, left after the war (some horrifying stories, those who wrote the history books did some editing), and met in Toronto, Canada. Oma's now 79 years old.

Originally posted by amyltrer Thanks for the link Jun. I read it, and it's great. Is that the end of Sosai?

Well, since it's BOTP, *technically* it's the Great Spirit, or the Luminous One. And yes, I was actually intending that it was dead, for the purposes of that particular fic. I'm glad you liked it, though! It was one of those fics that just came easily, IYKWIM. As opposed to the one I'm writig now, which is a bit of a struggle.

Originally posted by CricketBeautiful My inlaws are Romanian. They grew up 50 miles apart, left after the war (some horrifying stories, those who wrote the history books did some editing), and met in Toronto, Canada. Oma's now 79 years old.

And I was born and raised in Toronto. How many degress of Kevin Bacon are we all from Amy?

Yes, Ebony, I'm still living there, in a south-western city named Craiova. Geez, Cricket, I'm glad to hear you have relatives from there.

OMG, I love the third chapter, the one where she meets Ego. He's such a macho! Lust in his eyes, huh? So, there will be a relation between them? Or was? Was Ego/Helm her former love? Now that would be an interesting cliffie. Spit your heart out Condor! Write more soon! I want more Ego!

ITA! Keep going Ebony!!!!!!

Was Ego/Helm her former love?

Hmmm, I haven't read the story, but from this line alone I can see that an old inaccurate chestnut has reared its ugly head, specifically Egobossler's name. Egobossler's first name is not "Helm." As we wrote for a "Gatchaman Myths & Truths" article in the 3rd GatchaCon fanzine; "Technically his last name probably isn't Egobossler either. As explained in "Gatchaman Fighter" #27, he is the illegitimate son of Great Count Egobossler and Margot, one of the Count's maids. He was raised by his mother, who named him Erun, not Helm. This name is backed up during the ending credits of the episode, where Hideyuki Tanaka is given credit for doing the voice of Erun. This spelling is also verified in magazine articles of the period that covered "Gatchaman Fighter. Margot only told Erun who his real father was as she was dying from a beating by the Count. Enraged by his mother's death, Erun had his face altered to match that of the Count's legitimate son, Kaseru, as well as having his skin colored blue and his hair colored white. Erun then killed the Count, and locked Kaseru away. Erun was then free to pass himself off as Kaseru, taking the Egobossler title, power, and most importantly, the Egobossler name for himself." I don't mean to sound like I'm jumping on you with spiked boots or anything, but it's just frustrating to see myths that you thought had finally had a stake driven through their heart come back to life. James

Thank you for the bit of information. It's very hard to find something about him on the internet, and the only sites who gave details ( Chronicsite and Vacuforum) named him Helm. So I'll keep using this name in my fanfics. I agree with Egobossler not being his true name. Did the old Count know he was his son? Is there something else about his background? The way he spent his childhood, the relation with his mother. From what I've seen in screenshots, he only shot his father. How cold he have locked Cassary (Kaseru) in a dungeon? Did they have a sword duel?

Ohhh, you maybe on the wrong track there Amy. He freak her out a little, but no he's not, but he does have plans for her.(you may have to read it again) I have been trying to keep as much to canon as I can using some of the Info the guys have given here, but I have got creative too. mmm the former love thing would have been a good angle but not the one I'm going with for this one. Thanks for your feedback though!

Originally posted by tatsunokofan

Was Ego/Helm her former love?

Hmmm, I haven't read the story, but from this line alone I can see that an old inaccurate chestnut has reared its ugly head, specifically Egobossler's name. Egobossler's first name is not "Helm." As we wrote for a "Gatchaman Myths & Truths" article in the 3rd GatchaCon fanzine; "Technically his last name probably isn't Egobossler either. As explained in "Gatchaman Fighter" #27, he is the illegitimate son of Great Count Egobossler and Margot, one of the Count's maids. He was raised by his mother, who named him Erun, not Helm. This name is backed up during the ending credits of the episode, where Hideyuki Tanaka is given credit for doing the voice of Erun. This spelling is also verified in magazine articles of the period that covered "Gatchaman Fighter. Margot only told Erun who his real father was as she was dying from a beating by the Count. Enraged by his mother's death, Erun had his face altered to match that of the Count's legitimate son, Kaseru, as well as having his skin colored blue and his hair colored white. Erun then killed the Count, and locked Kaseru away. Erun was then free to pass himself off as Kaseru, taking the Egobossler title, power, and most importantly, the Egobossler name for himself." I don't mean to sound like I'm jumping on you with spiked boots or anything, but it's just frustrating to see myths that you thought had finally had a stake driven through their heart come back to life. James

I didn't call him helm in the fic just Count Egobossler... I have read that info though and have based him from that. The man in the iron mask thing etc.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne Ohhh, you maybe on the wrong track there Amy. He freak her out a little, but no he's not, but he does have plans for her.(you may have to read it again) I have been trying to keep as much to canon as I can using some of the Info the guys have given here, but I have got creative too. mmm the former love thing would have been a good angle but not the one I'm going with for this one. Thanks for your feedback though!

Ohhh, It would have been nice. I've got the ....plans for her, as I read that chapter ten times. He likes her, riiiiiight? Either that or he'll use her to get the Condor and the rest of the team. Oh, no, Helm, don't play with the fire, er Condor.... Now I'm even more curious about her past.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne I didn't call him helm in the fic just Count Egobossler... I have read that info though and have based him from that. The man in the iron mask thing etc.

Tatsunokofan's explanation was for me. But I like Helm; this name sounds better than Erun.

Yes he does and he has plans, you know Ego he doesn't always play nice... Each to his own. I just love the characters and write for the love of it... Amy I like you stories keep em coming

Did you read "playing hooky" The Devil Star challenge gave me the idea for it. Oh, can't wait to see some interaction between Madeline and Ego. If she'll slap him and throw his wine in the face as the last woman did, poor Helm will be very displeased. And when he's displeased, he starts killing people.

Yeah I figured that; I posted the next chapter, I have seen it there and I 'll read it soon. Just been busy typing. Looks good and I enjoy your humour.... got any Aussie in you cause your humour is very much like ours. Subtle but witty

Good chapter, Ebony. So from what I've read, She's Masaki's daughter. Now that would give Ego reason enough to chase her. He'll appear in the next chapter, won't he?

Ebony, here's chapter 2 http://www.fanfiction.net/secure/live_preview.php?storyid=3557778&chapter=2/ You'll get a lot of Condor and Eagle there.

Thank you for the bit of information. It's very hard to find something about him on the internet, and the only sites who gave details ( Chronicsite and Vacuforum) named him Helm. So I'll keep using this name in my fanfics.

Interesting, I'll have to send Carolyn and Wendy notes about this so they can update their sites, though I figure Carolyn would hold off that particular correction until she has her updated site ready to launch. I checked Wendy's site, but the only references to Egobossler's name I could find refer to him as Elun (Which given the Japanese habit of using "Rs" for "Ls," could also be correct. I prefer "Erun" because "Elun" sounds too much like the female name "Ellen"). If you can tell me where on her "Home of the White Shadow" site she calls him Helm, it'll make it easier for her to correct the mistake.

Is there something else about his background? The way he spent his childhood, the relation with his mother.

What I presented in the initial write-up on him at the beginning of this thread is literally all that was said regarding his past. Beyond that is specualtion, not established fact. Don't forget, this all came from a single flashback in one episode of the series. They really didn't spend any time delving into his childhood.

From what I've seen in screenshots, he only shot his father. How cold he have locked Cassary (Kaseru) in a dungeon? Did they have a sword duel?

We are not shown that sequence of events. The action goes from Erun losing the bandages that cover his face, revealing that he now looks like Kaseru (With blue skin, white hair, and a fresh cut on his left cheek from the knife that Kaseru threw at him) to Egobossler gloating over his triumph while standing by his mother's grave. If I was going to speculate, I'd say that the gun Erun was holding on Kaseru (The same one he had just used to kill his father with) helped quite a bit to prevent his unarmed half brother from fighting back.

But I like Helm; this name sounds better than Erun.

That's fine, but it doesn't make it any more correct. James

Originally posted by tatsunokofan What I presented in the initial write-up on him at the beginning of this thread is literally all that was said regarding his past. Beyond that is specualtion, not established fact. Don't forget, this all came from a single flashback in one episode of the series. They really didn't spend any time delving into his childhood. We are not shown that sequence of events. The action goes from Erun losing the bandages that cover his face, revealing that he now looks like Kaseru (With blue skin, white hair, and a fresh cut on his left cheek from the knife that Kaseru threw at him) to Egobossler gloating over his triumph while standing by his mother's grave. If I was going to speculate, I'd say that the gun Erun was holding on Kaseru (The same one he had just used to kill his father with) helped quite a bit to prevent his unarmed half brother from fighting back. James

Thanks. It's sad they didn't show more of his background, he was such an interesting character. From now on I'll reffer to him as Egobossler or just Ego.

It's sad they didn't show more of his background, he was such an interesting character.

Yes, but think of it this way: We know more about his background than we do Ryu or Nambu, and they were around a lot longer that Egobossler was! Besides, you are obviously someone who loves fanfic. Look at all those areas that you wonder about that aren't explained as areas you can work with. James

Hi there Tatsun, I think sometimes it is good to have a glimpse, but then it does leave it open for fanfic to give them depth and a good story. Now we can make him (Ego) even more interesting Amy! Fight seems to have a darker feel to it, and more focus on lazer weapons. The ship is interesting but I'm surprised in some ways at the design of it.(paper airplane) ? They took away the flexability they had in the first series of transmuting the whole individual mecha when needed. No wonder they ended up on base Permanently. There was an original flavour to the first then they seemed to take on transformers/star wars, or something like that. The weaponary in the other Gatch series was still better than the lazer show in the glimpses I have seen. Why would they go backwards? The whole transmtation process had a more advanced feel to it, surely they could have come up with a better space ship than that. I'm being a bit critical but I see it happen so often in series that start out with a great idea and try to go for the "popular" vote and fall flat because of it rather than develop the concepts that go with the feel they have created. I'm still trying to find out how the hypershoot actually worked as a weapon other then Gatachaman looking impressive on top of the ship. I still love my Gatch anyway and will watch fighter when I can understand the dialogue, no use buying it in Japnese to have it come out months later in English translations. Cheers EBS

The weaponary in the other Gatch series was still better than the lazer show in the glimpses I have seen. Why would they go backwards?

There are a lot of reasons for the changes between the first series and the two sequels, but the biggest one for what you're asking about was the change in the economics of producing an animated series between 1974 and 1978. During those intervening years, the amount of control exerted on a series by its sponsors grew tremendously. In the case of Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter, their main sponsors were the candy company Morinaga and the toy company Popy. With Morinaga, there wasn't too much obvious interference (Though I'm sure there was some), but Popy was another story. Rather than creating toys based on ships designed by Tatsunoko, Popy created the toys they wanted and insisted that Tatsunoko use them in the show. So, what we ended up with in Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter were designed as toys first, anime vehicles second. You might also notice that there is far less personal combat between the Science Ninja Team members and Gallactor troops in the third series. This is once again because of Popy. During the second series, they made toys for the Ken's Bird Saucer, Joe's Feather Shuriken, Jun's Aurora Ribbon, and of the Sonic Gun carried by all the Ninja Team members. Apparently sales of these weapons weren't up to what Popy wanted, so when Gatchaman Fighter came along, Popy told Tatsunoko to use the personal weaponry less and focus more on the vehicles. Hence, more mecha action and less Ninja Team versus Gallactor fight scenes. And here you thought this was all being done as art. James

Dam commercial interests! Now it makes more sense why the sudden changes in the techniques and fighting styles of the team. Lets hope they keep the style more in the live action movie. I saw a preview for transformers last night and I'm going to see it. If they do Gatchaman to the quality I saw in it that it should be a great movie, just get good actors! (not much goon action huh.) I stumbled across a site when someone is doing full dialoge translations of GatchII and Fighter so that will be helpful to base things more to canon. She's only got the first 2 eps done of fighter. http://www.google.com/Top/Arts/Animation/Anime/Titles/G/Gatchaman/ Danielas Gatchaman page it is called thats the page link I found on google; I've never done links to website before so forgive me if you cant click and go on it...I need to practice that. But anyway if it one you haven't found before than you maybe interested........ Went and saw Pirates III last night, was goog I thought,can't take it seriously but it was fun.

Daniela is a good friend of mine. She is translating a bunch of Gatch II and F episodes into English and Italian. She would love it if you went to her site and enjoyed her scripts! She's adding new ones all the time, and is currently working on some Gatch F scripts. http://xoomer.alice.it/blueswan/

Ahhn yes I have started to read them and they are good. What a champion! It must be a lot of work for her.

Ohh, can't wait for her to finnish her ep 34 translations and get to ep 27.

Yeah I know what you mean it's great the someone is out there doing it for all of us fans

We Daniela!

[FONT=arial]Hi all! Since it appears that the Gatchaman II section of the site will continue to be MIA for the foreseeable future, I figured I'd post the requested information of the Gatchaman II villains here instead. I hope this helps! James ******************** Gatchaman II Governor X (Character Voice: Nobuo Tanaka) Governor X returned to Earth two years after the Black Hole Operation was defeated ("Gatchaman" radio drama #10). he landed in the ocean in the Southern Hemisphere, off the west coast of Africa. His arrival was marked by his smashing through and sinking the cruise ship Queen Margaret. From the wreckage, he chose a drowning child and saved her. This was not a magnanimous act, for X took the child and accelerated her growth. Now with the body of an adult, X renamed the mutated girl Gel Sadra, and made her the commander of a new Gallactor (#1). The assumption was that X had recreated Gallactor for the same purpose as the original group, to conquer the Earth, but this was not the case. Instead, the "Super Mind of Space" ("Gatchaman II" Planning) had returned to use Earth as a base of operations for the Solar Shift Plan. Using Beam Guns placed on Mars, Venus, and across the Earth, X intended to move the sun out of our solar system and send it into Planet 013,001 of the Proxima System, the planet that destroyed X's homeworld (#52). In a continuity note, the name of X's homeworld was mysteriously shortened from 'Selector' to 'Select' (From "Gatchaman" radio drama #8 on). Upon his return, Governor X's superficial appearance was changed, but the way he appeared to Gel Sadra was essentially the same as he had done with Berg Katse: a strange face on a screen inside his chambers (#3, among others). Unlike before, X did spend more time overseeing work at locations other than Gallactor Headquarters (#'s 1, 40, 50, 51). More details of Governor X's background finally came to light. It was revealed that Governor X was originally led to Earth when Dr. Raphael made contact with him via the Leap Wave, a subspace communication wave (#'s 12, 49). Once X arrived of Earth, he used Raphael to establish Gallactor, but Raphael turned against X when he realized X's intention for world conquest. As Dr. Raphael knew too much about Governor X's true form, X told Katse Berg Katse to assassinate the Doctor, a task which Katse failed (#49). That true form which X had kept hidden for so long was revealed to be that of a "Space Brain," a super machine lifeform, a living computer capable of independent thought and action. By the time the Science Ninja Team confronted X, he had built several defenses against attackers, including powerful beam guns capable of cutting through the capes of the Ninja Team's uniforms, and strong magnets to draw away any metal objects from his foes (#52). For all his vast abilities, Governor X could not truly understand human emotions, and this failing would eventually lead to his downfall (#'s 50, 51, 52).[/FONT]

Think I will just create a new one, I cannot seem to find any record of a Gatchaman 2 forum ever being here, though I thought there was

I remember the Gatch 2 section on this site. It was here last year, when I've made my account.

[FONT=arial]Hi all! And here's the part on Marstora. James ***************** Marstora (Character Voice: Osamu Ichikawa) The Commander of Governor X's Solar Shift Base on Mars. His existence was kept secret from Gel Sadra until his forces came to Earth to eliminate facilities that could discover his base. He had no liking for Gel Sadra and her failures, and insulted her by giving her the nickname 'Lazy Sadra' (#43). This dislike quickly developed into a rivalry between the two to see who could please Governor X more (#45). Marstora had his own saucer-shaped ship for transportation, which he used to travel between Mars and Earth. It could fire missiles, beam weapons, and even came loaded with several different styles of robots for combat on the ground or in space. For protection, it could produce an energy barrier (#'s 43, 44).[/FONT]

Hi all! For some reason, I'm having some problems loading the segment of Gel Sadra. It's like this board doesn't like her or something. I'll keep trying, and we'll see how long it takes. James

I'm looking forward to the last piece, and I'm enjoying the information you have already posted! Thank you, James!

Was Marstora actually from Mars? He seem quite human. And if there were life forms of facilitties, ISO's sattellites should have detected them.

Hello all!

Was Marstora actually from Mars? He seem quite human. And if there were life forms of facilitties, ISO's sattellites should have detected them.

They never say exactly where he originated from, but my assumption is that Marstora is a human being who happens to be living and working on Mars. And yes, you're right, I.S.O. satellites would have detected Marstora's base on Mars, which is exactly why he came to Earth in the first place. He was trying to destroy those satellites and their control centers in an attempt to prevent the discovery of his base until it was too late to stop the Solar Shift Plan. James

Hi Everyone! Well, I've tried again and again, but for some reason the information reagrding Gel Sadra refuses to post. I keep getting a "HTTP 406 Not Acceptable" error message instead. Since I've been unable to figure out what exactly makes it unacceptable (I've tried cutting it into smaller chunks, so it's definitely not too long, I've tried retyping it so there can't have any strange characters that might make the system hiccup, nothing seems to work), the only solution I can think of is, if you want to read that portion, write me directly at [EMAIL]jbl@cts.com[/EMAIL], and I'll e-mail it to you. What a pain... James

Oh Cee ep! It looks like here is another person who is having this posting problem. I never heard back about mine. I'm not going to post those last three paragraphs. I decided not to bug you any more about it, you have enough on your plate.

@tatsunokofan Try using a different web browser when viewing the page and then retry posting. If you are posting from a Word document, copy the contents into a text file first, then copy it over to the post. It may be that there are hidden characters in the text. @cloud Could not find anything wrong with what you had written so I am going to ask you to do the same as what I have mentioned above.

My personal website, one story wouldn't be accepted because it had the word "open"; the server security didn't want to process the entry, thinking it might be a malicious attempt to get the word "open" into a script on the server which could then run and do nasty things. (I've had them set the security a bit more trusting.) So, can you narrow down it down to the section / paragraph / word?

Try using a different web browser when viewing the page and then retry posting. If you are posting from a Word document, copy the contents into a text file first, then copy it over to the post. It may be that there are hidden characters in the text.

Already tried. I even tried retyping the entire thing from scratch in the "Post Reply" box on this site so that there couldn't be some hidden characters messing things up. Nothing worked. I really don't know why, since all the others went through just fine. So, simply put, if anyone wants to read the Gel Sadra portion, drop me an e-mail, and I'll send it to you, because it won't be appearing on this site. James

I too have tried all the things mentioned by tatsunokofan. Although, this text file thing looks interesting. May have to try to figure out what that means, when I have time.

@Tatsunkofan Please send me the article, admin at gatchamania dot net

That's what you get after a hangover. I wish I had better writing skills and a more fluent English. No smurfs, though. Sweet dreams

You have better writing skills than me Amy....I need English 101 for writing! You are better than you think, you are inspiring fics good work Amy!

woohoo. I'm waiting for your Ego dating fic. What do you have in mind for him? Smurfette? Ken?

It will have a few twists just sorting out the details in my head at the moment....

Originally posted by amyltrer That's what you get after a hangover. I wish I had better writing skills and a more fluent English. No smurfs, though. Sweet dreams

Amy, you have AWESOME writing skills! You come up with wonderful stories and terrific insights into the characters. I feel that I learn about Ego through what you write. Yes, English isn't your first language, but I think you're doing a terrific job, even so. The more you write, the better you wlll get. I know *I* certainly couldn't write in a foreign language. You guys *definitely* wouldn't want to see my Kindergartener-level French!

I said it before, and I'll say it again: I think the Devilstar smilie on this board looks like the Bride of Egobossler!

Hmm, green + blue you get turquoise... Well, most the DS were beautiful behind that mask, but why do you want him to marry one? Or just ideas for Ebony's fanfic?

Originally posted by amyltrer Hmm, green + blue you get turquoise... Well, most the DS were beautiful behind that mask, but why do you want him to marry one? Or just ideas for Ebony's fanfic?

Just ideas.... I know you have your heart set on the Swan, but he would still have to get past and ...

Duh, it's 3 a.m. and I've finally finished my version of how Ego gets a heir. It's Here Now I go to sleep

Which I read and really loved it! Now he had to find a woman to look after the Kid, can you imagine Ego changing nappies and preparing bottles ohh that would be such a laugh!!!

Oh, thanks Ebony ! It almost makes me want to write more. Yes, he'll be a better daddy than his old pops but he still needs a Swan. Nobody likes old wrinkled governesses.

Yeah I get ya! If only he could get it right! I just writing more on the dating fic now. It's taking a different direction than I thought but It's still coming together well. It Involves the forums as well! But still I hope you will like the end result! He ends up in duel with Ken asking him about how he gets dates! It will be one for the Gatchamania site I think. I will have it proof read before loading it though. I cannot do that myself. Just does not work, but we learn form our mistakes!

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne He ends up in duel with Ken asking him about how he gets dates!

Lem'me guess... they're fighting for Jun Anyway Ken is not the best person to advise him when it came to dates. He should go to Joe instead.

That's right so Ego finds out LOL!

Wow. More Ebony, I want more............

I'm doing up to about page 9 at the moment. It's a rip off fic like your dreams one. I am on Gatchamania at the moment cause I need some smilies for it....

Yes, Ebony, keep writing!!!!

I may need some help with it TJ, it's a hard one to write because it is centred around the posts that they all make with what is happening at the time. I want it to be solid but funny as well.

Hey, if it gets your writing more, I'm all for helping you! What do you need?

Plot impute mainly to keep it on track with everything that is happening in the background. I know how it is to end and the final 2 chapters it's just the middle leading up to it...the end will tie everything in. I won't post any of it until I have all of this done the plot is complicated... They don't know it is each other that they are talking too in the forum...or getting emails from in the online dating site...

I suspected that (about them not knowing), because it makes things that much more fun! I'm happy to assist with plot consistency, whenever you're ready. *TJ eagerly awaits email from Ebony...*

Oooh, if you want one of that style (different plot, though), try http://gatchfanfic.com/lebakjane/techsupport.htm

I did an online dating fic called "You've Got Male" quite a long time ago...I ditched it since it didn't quite work for me, though... may dust it off and try to fix it one day, though... Cricket, was that the one where they are laughing at all of the fanfic writers? "Fanfics and Bird People"...I think?I love that one...such a trip!

Nope, the one where two guys are emailing about a racing game.

Originally posted by Springie I did an online dating fic called "You've Got Male" quite a long time ago...I ditched it since it didn't quite work for me, though... may dust it off and try to fix it one day, though...

I loved that one! All I would suggest is to change the name of the club... it was a little obvious... Fanfics and Bird People... that was a fic, wasn't it?

Originally posted by Springie I did an online dating fic called "You've Got Male" quite a long time ago...I ditched it since it didn't quite work for me, though... may dust it off and try to fix it one day, though... Cricket, was that the one where they are laughing at all of the fanfic writers? "Fanfics and Bird People"...I think?I love that one...such a trip!

I read that fic and it was very funny, Ryu finally got a look in! This one will be different because it is set in fighter but made lighter because fighter was darker than the rest of the series, the plot is complex so I'm taking my time with it. TJ has given me some great ideas and I'm working them in. It's a challenge but I like a good challenge...They are all bored and confined to base...It is not linked to any of my other fics. But Gatchamanics will apreciate it....hehehe

I have to thank Ebony for giving me a sneak peek. It's an awesome fic, and very funny!

I can't wait to read it!

Speaking of blue babies, this is how Ego should have looked like as a child. looks like he pulled another prank....

Hahahaha...he does look like he's up to something...LOL

Or more like that he HAS been up to something... he looks afraid of the consequences!

I think he is trying to look inoccent..but we know you Ego hahaha

Oh, I just keep it on with my Jun/Ego illustrated story. Like my lack of talent isn't bad enough my scanner insist in ruining my pic. I hate it

I like this one alot, Amy! Jun looks worried here, or scared? Not sure...but I'd love to read to find out what's going on here!

Like my lack of talent isn't bad enough my scanner insist in ruining my pic.

You have lots of talent!! Don't criticize yourself!!! I think we're all working on perfecting our own styles here...and your pictures just keep getting better and better! I know how you feel, though, I have to sit on my hands sometimes to keep myself from pointing out the mistakes I've made in my drawings (and there are many!) I try to stay positive though, and just think of it as a learning experience...it's fun to look back at the stuff I did when I started... I know what you mean about the scanner...it's weird how it looks one way on paper and then I scan it...and it looks distorted...I've gotten in the habit of scanning it once to look for mistakes...and then trying to fix and rescanning...not that it always helps...LOL

You capture the characters and they have expressions..You are doing very well with your drawing and you have talent! Amy you have done a lot to get people looking at other Villains other than Berg Katse! The variety it adds to fics and fics is FANTASTIC! I have trouble with scanners, I'm still getting used to them! Springie what can I say, your FAMOUS!(in a good way) with your pics!

hahaha...famous for being prolific, maybe...I've posted so many this summer! Unfortunately, I'm about to get really busy...so the drawings will slow down a bit...but I'll still draw every spare moment I get, just because I love it so much! And I plan on taking a drawing class...

Taking them or teaching them!

Hahaha...TAKING...most definately...

Originally posted by Springie [I know what you mean about the scanner...it's weird how it looks one way on paper and then I scan it...and it looks distorted...LOL

Yes, this is exactly what I mean. I had to throw away a lot of pics because of the way my unworthy scanner distorted them.

Originally posted by Springie Unfortunately, I'm about to get really busy...so the drawings will slow down a bit...

So when do you start back to school in the USA? I have been wondering when we would loose all those beautiful daily pics when you go back.

Amy, I like that new pic! Your drawings always seem to tell stories... I think it would be fabulous of you'd write the fic to go along with them! And I too am a fan of Springie's daily art gallery. Could it be because she has such wonderful Eagle/Swan and Condor/Swan stuff? Hmmmm.... perhaps....

So when do you start back to school in the USA?

The kids go back Sept 4th (always the day after Labor Day) but I am usually back the week before...(end of August) I would have already been bak in my classroom getting it ready, if I didn't have so much company...we have fur different groups visiting us over the month of August...and I'm sneaking online whenever I get a minute...heehee I'll still be drawing on the weekends, though...LOL

Oh, same time as us here in Canada. For some reason I thought you were back earlier. Which would explain why you were finished earlier. I plan to go back in to school the week before as well although I have a two day program to do for my principal. (she signed me up for it, of course that means I have to report back to the staff what I learned.)

Ahhhh yes, one of those volunteer efforts, huh? My Principal likes to volunteer us for things, too...I think I got lucky this year...(so far at least)...we always have to report back the week before...many, many ridiculously long inservices when we could be working in our classrooms...

It's not the best of my piccies but I love it. Poor Ken... I almost feel sorry for him.

I'd be happy to comfort Ken in his time of sorrow...LOL yeah, Jun's not even giving Ken a single glance...she must *really* be over him!

Oh, poor Ken!!!!! But what the heck is he doing??? He needs to go find that mind-controlling ray Ego used on Jun, and destroy it!!! Go go!!!!! Seriously, Amy, I was at your drawing of Ken!!!!!

Originally posted by Transmute Jun Oh, poor Ken!!!!! But what the heck is he doing??? He needs to go find that mind-controlling ray Ego used on Jun, and destroy it!!! Go go!!!!! Seriously, Amy, I was at your drawing of Ken!!!!!

No, why destroy it? She and Ego make such a nice couple. Tell me, TJ. I was ROTFL when drawing er

And you know, that smilie *does* bear a strange resemblance to Ken...

Originally posted by Transmute Jun And you know, that smilie *does* bear a strange resemblance to Ken...

Strange. Yours bear a resemblance with Ego

So is Jun on drugs then????? That could be an interesting fic...ohhh TJ has already ahhh drugged the Condor in her next one with interesting results... Not giving anything away on you TJ,just giving you some free promotion here! "Inhibitions" is SWOOONEY plus...with a plot! Like you need help with smut! Baaaawhahhhh !!!!

Oh yes, help me with the smut... please!!!!!! It could ALWAYS be better... and you can't have *too much* smut!

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne So is Jun on drugs then????? That could be an interesting fic...

Well I hope it will help you in your dating fic. I take you like the Jun/Ego/ bashed Eagle combination.

Amy I will finish it, but it will be the whole fic before I publish it...It is base of this forum so I guess it really id for all of you and it will a funny one. I need to total focus on it when go into finish it though, so I decided to finish what I have out there already first. Can you do a split pic with Ego on his laptop in his castle looking at a message from Jun and looking at her computer at the mountain base in her bedroom?? I have the Eagle and Swan exchanging messages but they don't know who it is as well...Go to town with it Amy...It is just a lot of fun really!

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne Can you do a split pic with Ego on his laptop in his castle looking at a message from Jun and looking at her computer at the mountain base in her bedroom??

Sorry, Ebony! I'd wish I had Springie's talent! Goddam' fire is pain to draw.

Originally posted by Ebonyswanne I have the Eagle and Swan exchanging messages but they don't know who it is as well...Go to town with it Amy...It is just a lot of fun really!

Well, good thing you don't have Eagle and Ego exchanging messages. Blue Boy and computers aren't a good combination....

Wow, Amy, that's great! I love the depth you've added by completing the room! I feel like I'm there... Now, should I disturb Ego from his pleasant thoughts?

Amy!! What are you talking about?? You have mucho talent, baybee!! That looks great! I don't have the patience to add in backgrounds and when I do, they suck!! This one is my favorite of your so far! The detail is wonderful!

Thanks Springie it took some time to add the details. Now I don't think he would mind to be disturbed. Maybe he's awaiting her....

Ok, all the Swannies in da house, you have a new Eagle to drool over now. Is he a hunny?

And the coloured version. Water color pencils aren't my strong point!

Oh my... what terrible plan does Ego have in mind?????

Not sure exactly why, but before you colored it, he reminded me of Joe...this looks really good! You are so good at drawing Ego...the Eagle...

He reminded me of Joe too in the b/w version... i guess it's that hard look on his face....

Speaking of Ego's terrible plans..... As I've threatened, I will give him a present....which most of will hate.... But It's Zark's fault, I swear! Ego's new carpet! CLICKY!! The background is blue because it was initially made for the Gatchaman Archives.

Have I been giving you ideas Amy!!!! Did you put that together! Ohhh that has to go in the story thread we have all been in! "The who is in the room one!" I liked you other drawing with Ego at his laptop...With the Swan sneaking up on him...your drawing is great, I have trouble with backgrounds and your fire is roaring just like Ego likes it!

Geez Ebony, have I ever mentioned my clear-sighted abilities? I'm glad you like it. That fire looks weird, I know, but how are you supposed to draw fire in black&white? And the Swan, yesss....she's there to set him on fire....Not literary!

The piccie with the Eagle on the floor and Zark next to him i meant for the thread! Go girl!

Bwahahahahahaha!!! Oh, Amy, that picture is priceless! Zark is even wearing his special #7 sweater for the occasion! I have to go back and look and laugh again!

That is so awesome, Amy! I bow down to your Photoshopping abilities!!!!!! I am !!

Actually, I'm a Photoshop illiterate, TJ! It's paint.net! The first basic version............... Do you think I'll get a promotion from Ego for that prize?

*Definitely*! You're going to be first class!!!!

That is an amazing pic Amy.I love the way the images have been combined

If you still didn't have enough reasons to blow of the tincan, check this out......Mark won't be happy1

I know... that's just so scary!!! Can you believe she's never kissed Mark, but she kisses ZARK???????? My mind is all unbalanced now. (Even more than usual)

Originally posted by Transmute Jun I know... that's just so scary!!! Can you believe she's never kissed Mark, but she kisses ZARK????????

This had even me to Does kissing a robot count as smut?

Don't even *think* about it....EEEWWW! Princess and Zark??? Although that fic "Too Hot for Zark" had me rolling!

Oh yes! Anyone who hasn't read that fic, run, don't walk, to ff.net now!!!

I stumbled across it a lurker months ago and love it! it is soooo funny! a must read!

Yup, TJ has a fantastic and smooth writting style!

to for trying to steal our from our He must have put a spell on he or something!

Originally posted by Firebird He must have put a spell on he or something!

Actually, a pack of C4 would be more efficient! I'm wonder if Zarky had a red, shinny selfdistruction button somewhere on his hull. Hey, maybe that's what the Swannie was looking for!

Originally posted by amyltrer Yup, TJ has a fantastic and smooth writting style!

Thanks Amy! but actually, I was referring to someone else's fic: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3712741/1/Too_Hot_For_Zark This is one of the funniest things I've read in... well... forever!

Originally posted by amyltrer I'm wonder if Zarky had a red, shinny selfdistruction button somewhere on his hull. Hey, maybe that's what the Swannie was looking for!

Amy I love the way your mind works!!!!!

Originally posted by Firebird to for trying to steal our from our He must have put a spell on he or something!

And in honor of this statement, I will re-post a wonderful picture that Springie drew for my Place on the Team fic.

Hahaha...the thought of that still makes me laugh! It was so much fun to draw Zark in pieces! I only wish you could see the Fosdic better...oh, maybe I'll try that one again sometime...LOL TJ, I think "A Place on the Team" is a must-read for Zark haters, too... "Too Hot for Zark" was just fresh on my mind...since it is new... Both fics leave Zark haters feeling... satisfied!!!

Originally posted by Transmute Jun And in honor of this statement, I will re-post a wonderful picture that Springie drew for my Place on the Team fic.

And now we shall declare the Condor The Zark Hater no.1. Don't worry TJ, you're a close second!

Originally posted by amyltrer

Originally posted by Transmute Jun And in honor of this statement, I will re-post a wonderful picture that Springie drew for my Place on the Team fic.

And now we shall declare the Condor The Zark Hater no.1. Don't worry TJ, you're a close second!

The Condor is my hero!!!!!

Now, ever wondered why Ego disguised himself as an Eagle?